What does it mean to be saved?

[Elihoenai]

@Elihoenai -- and where does a person find the 'correct' interpretation Of Scripture / Bible.

You're suggesting that there is sinless perfect possible in this world?! Because , no , there isn't. A person Might look pretty good in their outward lives -- but they Still have those inner thoughts to account for.

And a person can be patting themself on their back for being pretty good 'today'. That is Pride. And that is Sin.

God isn't sending satan to be an instrument to punish evildoers because satan is the prime evil doer.

Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

You find the correct interpretation by the Unification of the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament and the Greek Scriptures/New Testament. It's impossible to understand the Greek Scriptures/New Testament in isolation from the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament.

Elohim/God makes you Sinless and Perfect, because with Elohim/God all things are possible.

@Sue D., Do you think the Satan/Devil can act outside of Elohim's/God's Power and Authority?

 

[Elihoenai]

@ Elihoenai -- could you answer the question of the thread. -- "What does it mean to be saved?"

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

That's what we are doing right now. We are discussing what is and what is not Saved.

 

[Sue D.]

@Elihoenai -- God is in control -- God has Allowed satan to mess with Job in the Old Testament -- Job showed himself to be faithful to God.

The question of the thread -- "What does it mean to be saved?"

The Leviticus passage has nothing to do with being saved. Go to the previous verse 8 "Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, saying: vs 9 Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die, It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations , vs 10 that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean." vs 11 And that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutues which the Lord has spoken to them by the hand of Moses."

That entire section is talking about the various wave offerings --- vs ....17 and God has given it to you to bear the guilt of the congregation to make atonement for them before the Lord?"

In the New Testament , Jesus Christ became the Final blood offering to atone for the sins of mankind. He became the Final Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. A person accepting Jesus Christ shed blood on the cross Is What IS SAves a person.

The New Testament fulfills the Old.

1 Corinthians 15 ; 1-3 and Romans 10:9-10

What does it mean to be saved? that a person will be loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind and soul, being and then our neighbor as ourselves.

That we will be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That we will be living a life that shows Christ. That is honoring to God. And that is only possible when a person has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Because Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

[Sue D.]

Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

You find the correct interpretation by the Unification of the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament and the Greek Scriptures/New Testament. It's impossible to understand the Greek Scriptures/New Testament in isolation from the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament.

Elohim/God makes you Sinless and Perfect, because with Elohim/God all things are possible.

@Sue D., Do you think the Satan/Devil can act outside of Elohim's/God's Power and Authority?

God does make anyone sinless or perfect. It's through the shed blood of Jesus Christ that we are made righteous in God's eyes.

What do you mean by finding the correct interpretation by the 'unification of the Hebrew / Greek texts. Is it the Holy Spirit that gives understanding of Scripture?

 

[Elihoenai]

@Elihoenai -- God is in control -- God has Allowed satan to mess with Job in the Old Testament -- Job showed himself to be faithful to God.

The question of the thread -- "What does it mean to be saved?"

The Leviticus passage has nothing to do with being saved. Go to the previous verse 8 "Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, saying: vs 9 Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die, It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations , vs 10 that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean." vs 11 And that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutues which the Lord has spoken to them by the hand of Moses."

That entire section is talking about the various wave offerings --- vs ....17 and God has given it to you to bear the guilt of the congregation to make atonement for them before the Lord?"

In the New Testament , Jesus Christ became the Final blood offering to atone for the sins of mankind. He became the Final Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. A person accepting Jesus Christ shed blood on the cross Is What IS SAves a person.

The New Testament fulfills the Old.

1 Corinthians 15 ; 1-3 and Romans 10:9-10

What does it mean to be saved? that a person will be loving the Lord our God with all our heart, mind and soul, being and then our neighbor as ourselves.

That we will be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That we will be living a life that shows Christ. That is honoring to God. And that is only possible when a person has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Because Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Everything from Genesis to Revelation teaches what it means to be Saved. There are many False Christs. How can a person that has never heard of the True Christ, know what is the False?

 

[Elihoenai]

@Sue D. , When you said Nuns/Monks are not Biblical in post #292, what do you mean?

Post #292

What does it mean to be saved?

@Elihoenai -- I don't plan to be back in 'conversation' area. Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. @Sue D. Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God.

www.talkjesus.com

 

[Sue D.]

Jesus Christ is telling us in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the lift, no man comes to the Father, but by Me." Jesus Christ is telling us that He is The person. And God the Father is the Father being referred to.

Your referencing Matt 24:24 is suggesting that you believe that Jesus Christ -- the 2nd person of the Godhead -- the Son of God -- is a false Christ. And That is treading on very dangerous ground.

And yes Scripture Does warn 'us' about false -- antiChrists. There have been many and there will be the real Antichrist. And that person Will fool many. But by being referred to as an antiChrist teacher / teaching. It means they are teaching something other than Christ and Him crucified -- the one and only Risen Savior.

The clip that you included in your post #327 suggests that the true church is that which Peter is the rock of. Which would suggest the RCC. However, Nothing within the teachings of the RCC is founded On Bible.

 

[Sue D.]

A person does Not find nuns or monks in Scripture. They are of RCC construct.

The click you included was simply referring a person back to another post which I was sharing in previously.

 

[Sue D.]

A person knows the Real by reading the Bible / God's Word. Jesus Christ is The one and only Son of God -- the one and only Risen Savior. And that there are no 'good works' involved in a person's salvation.

 

[Elihoenai]

God does make anyone sinless or perfect. It's through the shed blood of Jesus Christ that we are made righteous in God's eyes.

What do you mean by finding the correct interpretation by the 'unification of the Hebrew / Greek texts. Is it the Holy Spirit that gives understanding of Scripture?

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is Elohim's/God's Son, and God/Elohim makes Sinless and Perfect through his Son. A True Follower of Messiah/Christ is Without Sin.

 

[Sue D.]

@Elioenai -- your 'if, then" statements are not especially true. You come to questionable conclusions.

You're leaving out the Fact that 'we' are still human beings with a sinful nature. For every believer there Will be a constant inner battle between good and evil. No one will be 'perfect' until we are with Jesus for eternity.

Translating your last sentence -- Jesus Christ is God's Son and God makes (a person) sinless and perfect through His Son. We are made Righteous through His Son. Justification -- just as if we'd never sinned. God sees us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Upon a person's acceptance of Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. 'We' are sinners saved by grace.

So -- No -- a true follower of Christ is Not without sin. But we Do have the help of the Holy Spirit to Not give in to temptations. But satan Also knows our weaknesses and makes 'sin' look Very appealing. And That is why we will have an inner battle taking place.

 

[Elihoenai]

@Elioenai -- your 'if, then" statements are not especially true. You come to questionable conclusions.

You're leaving out the Fact that 'we' are still human beings with a sinful nature. For every believer there Will be a constant inner battle between good and evil. No one will be 'perfect' until we are with Jesus for eternity.

Translating your last sentence -- Jesus Christ is God's Son and God makes (a person) sinless and perfect through His Son. We are made Righteous through His Son. Justification -- just as if we'd never sinned. God sees us through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Upon a person's acceptance of Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. 'We' are sinners saved by grace.

So -- No -- a true follower of Christ is Not without sin. But we Do have the help of the Holy Spirit to Not give in to temptations. But satan Also knows our weaknesses and makes 'sin' look Very appealing. And That is why we will have an inner battle taking place.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

@Sue D. , Are you saying that you disagree with Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ when he commanded be Perfect as your Father in Heaven?

 

[Elihoenai]

Jesus Christ is telling us in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the lift, no man comes to the Father, but by Me." Jesus Christ is telling us that He is The person. And God the Father is the Father being referred to.

Your referencing Matt 24:24 is suggesting that you believe that Jesus Christ -- the 2nd person of the Godhead -- the Son of God -- is a false Christ. And That is treading on very dangerous ground.

And yes Scripture Does warn 'us' about false -- antiChrists. There have been many and there will be the real Antichrist. And that person Will fool many. But by being referred to as an antiChrist teacher / teaching. It means they are teaching something other than Christ and Him crucified -- the one and only Risen Savior.

The clip that you included in your post #327 suggests that the true church is that which Peter is the rock of. Which would suggest the RCC. However, Nothing within the teachings of the RCC is founded On Bible.

No! I'm saying your teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a False Christ. Your interpretation of Scripture and the nature of Yeshua/Jesus is Satanic Freemasonry.

 

[Elihoenai]

A person does Not find nuns or monks in Scripture. They are of RCC construct.

The click you included was simply referring a person back to another post which I was sharing in previously.

What do Nuns and Monks do that is contrary to Scripture? The meaning of Monks/Nuns is Devoted Religious Men/Women.

 

[Sue D.]

No! I'm saying your teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a False Christ. Your interpretation of Scripture and the nature of Yeshua/Jesus is Satanic Freemasonry.

Then that which You are saying is that God's Word is teaching a 'false' Christ. And That is crossing the line. God's Word Is truth. Again John 14:6 Jesus Christ is telling us "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by Me." Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:1-4 "For what if some did not believe? ... let God be Truth but every man a liar." Your words are --in effect -- condemning you.

Are YOU living a perfect life? Because Romans 3:23 says you aren't because "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". unless you have been 'justified by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. vs 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed. vs 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

Nuns and monks are Not Biblical -- and - in effect -- are not obeying God's Word. No one is supposed to life in isolation from the outside world. We ARE to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with all who are willing to listen.
We Are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, being, -- every part of us -- and then to love our neighbor. How can a person be showing God's love to 'lost' people if they are off by themselves or with groups of other men or women who aren't at least Trying to share Scripture the Gospel unto salvation with others.

A person can achieve 'communion with God' by reading His Word / praying every day. As God's Word says we should be doing.

From what you've shared -- I shouldn't even be conversing with you.

I'm a born again believer -- through Jesus Christ. You are saying that I'm Not.

You're even saying that what I believe -- my interpretation Of Scripture -- the nature of Jesus Christ is really Satanic Freemasonry and with THAT -- I'm not conversing with you any longer.

 

[Chad]

Yeshua/Jesus observed every iota of the Law of Moses with total devotion to Elohim/God.

Obviously why, because he was perfect sinless son of God. We are not perfect, nor sinless, nor God. You don't get the gist of the whole point of Salvation of Jesus Christ offered graciously to fallen people, including you.

 

[Mayflower]

What does it mean to be saved?

Look at 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-3 "Moreover brethren, I declare to you the gospel .... by which also you are saved...... That Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures ."

That Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And look at Romans 10: 9-10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

It means that you've realized that you're a sinner and can't save yourself. That you believe in your heart according to what those verses say. You talk to God -- tell Him you want His salvation. You thank Him for His gift Of salvation. Jesus Christ having died on the cross for Your sins and thank Him for dying for You. And then the Holy Spirit will come to indwell you -- you will feel a peace within your heart that hadn't been there before. He gives you New desires -- a new understanding of God's Word. A desire to please God.

We're still part of this world -- but we will have the Holy Spirit to give us direction on how to live for Him and avoid some of this world's pollution. We Can say No to activities /habits that are not good healthy for us.

Agreed. Salvation is relationship, not religion. We are forgiven. Out of that thankfulness the truly repentant sinner will let go of sin and serve their redeemer with love.

 

[Sue D.]

@Mayflower -- that is an excellent chart. Thank you for sharing it.

And, yes, we Will have the desire to live a Christ-like, Godly life. But we Also, still have a propensity For sinning. Some people probably come really close To living a seemingly sinless life. But our thoughts that no one can see except God are Also there. And, yes, we serve out of love.