What does it mean to be saved?

[Sue D.]

Do you think a Sinning Congregation or Person is in a Church that the Gates of Hell has not prevailed against? A person that Sins is in Bondage to Sin.

God is stronger than satan. Satan will not prevail. Even though at times he seems to be.

No one is perfect -- if a person is looking for a sinless congregation , there isn't such a thing.

Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes immediately to indwell the person. That person is no longer in bondage to sin. We have the Holy Spirit to help us overcome.

 

[Elihoenai]

God is stronger than satan. Satan will not prevail. Even though at times he seems to be.

No one is perfect -- if a person is looking for a sinless congregation , there isn't such a thing.

Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes immediately to indwell the person. That person is no longer in bondage to sin. We have the Holy Spirit to help us overcome.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Satan/Devil prevails when you Sin, because Sin is of the Devil/Satan. The Real Yeshua/Jesus delivers from Sin, while the Fake Yeshua/Jesus keeps a congregation and person in Hell. I asked this question before and you didn't answer: Did you know that the Devil/Satan pretends to be Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

 

[Sue D.]

Using the Word Essence to mean Fundamentals. Again, it could be that you are lacking to able to see the Commonality. This should be easier to see what all Churches in Christendom have in Common. This is the same thing that happened with the question about Commonality between Pop Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

I was just looking that up again. There's a group that works with Muslims, Jews and Christians -- building bridges between them. Interfaith Encounter Association.

God's Word says that the cross of Jesus Christ is The only Bridge between God and man.

Christians believe the entire Bible -- the Jews only accept the 1st 5 books -- and Muslims accept only the Koran / Allah.

They all started out with Abraham. Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Abraham believed that God would give him and Sarah a child -- even in their old age. God fulfilled His promise to Abraham and Sarah.

 

[Elihoenai]

I was just looking that up again. There's a group that works with Muslims, Jews and Christians -- building bridges between them. Interfaith Encounter Association.

God's Word says that the cross of Jesus Christ is The only Bridge between God and man.

Christians believe the entire Bible -- the Jews only accept the 1st 5 books -- and Muslims accept only the Koran / Allah.

They all started out with Abraham. Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Abraham believed that God would give him and Sarah a child -- even in their old age. God fulfilled His promise to Abraham and Sarah.

They can build bridges because they are the same at their Essence/Nature. Is Pop (Popular) Christianity Real Christianity?

 

[Sue D.]

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Satan/Devil prevails when you Sin, because Sin is of the Devil/Satan. The Real Yeshua/Jesus delivers from Sin, while the Fake Yeshua/Jesus keeps a congregation and person in Hell. I asked this question before and you didn't answer: Did you know that the Devil/Satan pretends to be Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

I chose to not respond because you claimed that satan pretends to be Jesus Christ.

The more a person is in God's Word the closer the person will be to God.

My 'discerning' spirit tells me to Not continue in the vein you're in.

A person needs to be in a church that teaches God's Word and nothing else.

And Scripture Does warn us about listening to false teachers. Anything other than Christ and Him crucified and risen again on the 3rd day Is false teaching. And to get away From that. Talk to the preacher 1st -- in private -- discuss where his teaching go away From God's Word.

 

[Sue D.]

They can build bridges because they are the same at their Essence/Nature. Is Pop (Popular) Christianity Real Christianity?

You brought it up, I didn't.

You're trying to say that because Abraham is the basis For those three that they Can come together.

The Muslim world feels that They are correct Because they go back to Abraham. But they veered off.

the Only bridge from mankind To God is the cross of calvary. The shed blood of Jesus Christ and his bodily resurrection on the 3rd day.

There Are Muslims who Are coming to Christ. Because they recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

 

[Elihoenai]

I chose to not respond because you claimed that satan pretends to be Jesus Christ.

The more a person is in God's Word the closer the person will be to God.

My 'discerning' spirit tells me to Not continue in the vein you're in.

A person needs to be in a church that teaches God's Word and nothing else.

And Scripture Does warn us about listening to false teachers. Anything other than Christ and Him crucified and risen again on the 3rd day Is false teaching. And to get away From that. Talk to the preacher 1st -- in private -- discuss where his teaching go away From God's Word.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

It's a fact and not a claim. The Devil/Satan pretends to be Yeshua/Jesus to steal Worship from God/Elohim and send and keep people in Hell. I don't believe you are this ignorant about the Devil/Satan and his devices. You must be a Female Freemason.

 

[Elihoenai]

You brought it up, I didn't.

You're trying to say that because Abraham is the basis For those three that they Can come together.

The Muslim world feels that They are correct Because they go back to Abraham. But they veered off.

the Only bridge from mankind To God is the cross of calvary. The shed blood of Jesus Christ and his bodily resurrection on the 3rd day.

There Are Muslims who Are coming to Christ. Because they recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

No, that's not what I'm saying. My #278 post may give you an idea: What does it mean to be saved?

 

[Sue D.]

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Did you know that the Devil/Satan pretends to be Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

When I use the term "Essence" I mean the underlying Nature of something. Do you think Pop Christianity is Real Christianity? What is the Nature of the Jewish Talmud (Rabbinic Judaism)? What is the Nature of Islam as described by the Hadiths?

Do you believe everything you read? The Freemasons/Knights Templars tell you what they want you to hear and they totally control global media.

The Freemasons/Knights Templars have confused you. You cannot do any good without God/Elohim. Everything else is a Satanic lie to conceal unspeakable Evil.

Did you know that the Knights Templar changed their name to Freemason? The Freemasons are Knights Templars and that's why I write Freemason/Knights Templar. The Knights Templar are soldiers of the Vatican. You must know the history of the Roman Catholic Church Crusades and Inquisitions undertaken by their Knights Templar Soldiers.

I forgot to inform you in conversation, "Free Masonry" that you are using should be one word "Freemasonry".

This is your post 278

 

[Sue D.]

And you commented with "What does it mean to be saved" which is what this thread is about.

You've brought up this stuff about Freemasonry, etc. and about the RCC. etc.

so where Are you going with all of this?

So - getting back to the basics

1 Corinthians 15:1-3 "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel......by which also you are saved...... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and that He rose again the 3rd day according to the Scriptures."

And there is also Romans 10: 9-10 " that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

vs 13 "For whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

 

[Elihoenai]

This is your post 278

There is Commonality between Pop Christianity, Jewish Talmud (Rabbinic Judaism) and Islam as described by Hadiths at their Essence. Maybe you require time to think about what this Commonality could be.

 

[Elihoenai]

And you commented with "What does it mean to be saved" which is what this thread is about.

You've brought up this stuff about Freemasonry, etc. and about the RCC. etc.

so where Are you going with all of this?

So - getting back to the basics

1 Corinthians 15:1-3 "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel......by which also you are saved...... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and that He rose again the 3rd day according to the Scriptures."

And there is also Romans 10: 9-10 " that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

vs 13 "For whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

You are not Saved with a False Gospel. Did you know that the Devil/Satan teaches a False Gospel?

 

[Sue D.]

You've already stated that the commonality is through Abraham.

I've already said that the cross is the bridge between God and mankind. The blood of Jesus Christ -- the cross.

It Sounds like you're saying that God's Word is Not the truth.

Jesus Christ says in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by / through Me." Jesus Christ.

the False gospel is any Other teaching.

And I don't require time to consider anything more of what you're seeming to try to 'teach'.

You haven't said Anything about what You believe.

 

[Sue D.]

So you're saying that the Gospel as presented in God's Word is False?

 

[Elihoenai]

You've already stated that the commonality is through Abraham.

I've already said that the cross is the bridge between God and mankind. The blood of Jesus Christ -- the cross.

It Sounds like you're saying that God's Word is Not the truth.

Jesus Christ says in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by / through Me." Jesus Christ.

the False gospel is any Other teaching.

And I don't require time to consider anything more of what you're seeming to try to 'teach'.

You haven't said Anything about what You believe.

I'm not going to think for you or spoon feed. Have you ever meditated on a religious question for long periods of time?

 

[Elihoenai]

So you're saying that the Gospel as presented in God's Word is False?

2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

No, I'm saying that the Devil/Satan Corrupts the Word of Elohim/God. Are you going to pretend that you don't know this is what the Satan/Devil does?

 

[Sue D.]

@ Elihoenai -- For those who do not click into the actual passage. "For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ. " NKJ

God is in control of His Word -- 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. vs 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.

I Do know that God is far greater / stronger than the devil.

I'm quite satisfied with God's Word -- no need to study or read any other religious literature.

Apparently I'm supposed to go along with Your beliefs -- whatever they are -- or simply trying to plant a spirit of Distrust into Me.

You're saying that the Gospel unto salvation as stated in God's Word is a false gospel ? That satan is trying to deceive people into believe a lie. How about that satan / devil IS himself the great liar / deceiver. He wants to detract people from God's salvation. And he apparently is trying to use You to help him. Remember in the garden of Eden, satan, was suggesting to Eve that what God was saying wasn't exactly true. That no one was Really going to Die from eating some of that fruit. When in effect That is what brought sin/ death Into the world. Eve fell for satan's deception and Adam followed along. Satan told Eve that she could have all knowledge -- just like God does. So she ate and her and Adam's innocent eyes were Open. Knowledge of Evil came to be and so did death. Not immediately -- but a person Does Die.

So - are You also falling for satan's deception -- kind of sounds like it.

And you can Also stop your derogatory comments to me and the way you're using Scripture.

Satan knows that his eternal destination is in the lake of fire and brimstone -- and he , the beast and false prophet are going to be there with him. Forever. Mankind -- you , me, everyone has a Choice. 'We' don't have to end up there. WE have access to salvation From through Jesus Christ. It's also up to the individual to accept or reject. But satan wants as much company as possible For All eternity.

And I'll even go a step Further -- may God have mercy on Your soul if you continue believing satan's lies concerning God's Word.

 

[Elihoenai]

@ Elihoenai -- For those who do not click into the actual passage. "For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ. " NKJ

God is in control of His Word -- 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. vs 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.

I Do know that God is far greater / stronger than the devil.

I'm quite satisfied with God's Word -- no need to study or read any other religious literature.

Apparently I'm supposed to go along with Your beliefs -- whatever they are -- or simply trying to plant a spirit of Distrust into Me.

You're saying that the Gospel unto salvation as stated in God's Word is a false gospel ? That satan is trying to deceive people into believe a lie. How about that satan / devil IS himself the great liar / deceiver. He wants to detract people from God's salvation. And he apparently is trying to use You to help him. Remember in the garden of Eden, satan, was suggesting to Eve that what God was saying wasn't exactly true. That no one was Really going to Die from eating some of that fruit. When in effect That is what brought sin/ death Into the world. Eve fell for satan's deception and Adam followed along. Satan told Eve that she could have all knowledge -- just like God does. So she ate and her and Adam's innocent eyes were Open. Knowledge of Evil came to be and so did death. Not immediately -- but a person Does Die.

So - are You also falling for satan's deception -- kind of sounds like it.

And you can Also stop your derogatory comments to me and the way you're using Scripture.

Satan knows that his eternal destination is in the lake of fire and brimstone -- and he , the beast and false prophet are going to be there with him. Forever. Mankind -- you , me, everyone has a Choice. 'We' don't have to end up there. WE have access to salvation From through Jesus Christ. It's also up to the individual to accept or reject. But satan wants as much company as possible For All eternity.

And I'll even go a step Further -- may God have mercy on Your soul if you continue believing satan's lies concerning God's Word.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yes, All Power that exists belongs to Elohim/God. The Devil/Satan is Elohim's/God's instrument to try the Saints and punish Evildoers. The Devil/Satan Corrupts/Perverts Elohim's/God's Word by spreading False Interpretations. Do you recognise that there are many False Interpretations of Scripture/Bible?

When you continue to Sin the Devil/Satan is the Greatest.

 

[Sue D.]

@Elihoenai -- and where does a person find the 'correct' interpretation Of Scripture / Bible.

You're suggesting that there is sinless perfect possible in this world?! Because , no , there isn't. A person Might look pretty good in their outward lives -- but they Still have those inner thoughts to account for.

And a person can be patting themself on their back for being pretty good 'today'. That is Pride. And that is Sin.

God isn't sending satan to be an instrument to punish evildoers because satan is the prime evil doer.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Elihoenai -- could you answer the question of the thread. -- "What does it mean to be saved?"