What Does The Bible Say About ABORTION?

[Bill Taylor]

Your "opinion" I'm wrong is simply that.
"you are demonizing abortionists at the maximum level?"
Sin is VERY serious and every pagan will find out if they don't change.
Murder of the unborn = Abortion. Every time regardless of stage of development and cause of pregnancy. Simple. Fact. God said it and your opinion otherwise is irrelevant.

There is NOT grey area with ANY sin.

Good people want to rationalize what Yehovah has told us and from that reluctance arises a perfectly unnatural assumption that Yehovah reasons as we reason. This has resulted in a mayhem of translators. Everyone wants to translate what God-inspired Translators have presented for our study.

 

[Curtis]

Is it sin and against God to destroy a life He gave life to and formed in his own image?

 

[Bill]

I think if people knew the result of how women experience the loss of their children after the abortion, there would be a huge difference in opinions.

By and large the majority of women who have abortions experience tremendous guilt, so much so they commit suicide in many cases. But this is never talked about in the news.

No one talks about the aftermath of women who have experienced abortions, and all those who are so pro-choice probably have not had abortions either

 

[Curtis]

People who feel guilty usually are. The conscience in man is a good guide as the Apostle said......

Act 23:1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.

 

[KingJ]

Your "opinion" I'm wrong is simply that.
"you are demonizing abortionists at the maximum level?"
Sin is VERY serious and every pagan will find out if they don't change.
Murder of the unborn = Abortion. Every time regardless of stage of development and cause of pregnancy. Simple. Fact. God said it and your opinion otherwise is irrelevant.

There is NOT grey area with ANY sin.

You are misquoting God. I don't see any scripture from you.

There is no grey area but there are degrees. When I read my bible, I see that God dealt differing punishments according to the sin committed. Just read Leviticus. Some sin got you a warning, some sin got you lashes, some sin got you excommunicated, some sin got you capital punishment which was a graphic and violent death by stoning. God does not change Num 23:19.

What you are implying is that an abortionist at any level deserves death by stoning?

I gave you scripture from Paul that states you must judge matters better than the unsaved. You are not doing so. You are misrepresenting Christianity on this topic.

I know you think you are not, but you are. God is a righteous judge who does not pervert justice Job 34:12. His judgment is righteous and perfect. He considers everything.

Rom 2:6 He will judge everyone according to what they have done.

 

[MedicBravo]

You'll agree that all sins are NOT equal.
Every topic doesn't need scripture to back it.

Here it is again? "What you are implying is that an abortionist at any level deserves death by stoning?"
Levitical law was not given to us. No Christian gives such "punishments" to sinners from that.
No?
You're well behind on your yearly sacrifices as well as punishing and being punished. Why did you even state that as an argument? That's how Leftoids think.

I'm sure someone will bring up the verse about the "drink" that "causes abortions" as another excuse when in fact that was about infidelity and pregnancy is not mention.
We aren't under clothing restrictions, food, or other such OT laws. Moral Law however is permanent.
How am I "misrepresenting". Abortion IS murder. Regardless who feels otherwise and if a "majority" feels murdering them is ok. God defines morals not us.
We ARE to judge and judge righteously and God is the Final Judge. There is a difference.

What God says we are to repeat in both love, truth, and righteous judgement.
I'm not a woman so:
1. I can't get pregnant.
2. I can't kill my unborn baby.

However, if I did get a woman pregnant that baby has half my DNA. Grade school info no scripture needed.
Therefore, b/c we can NOT change how we reproduce I and WILL have say so. If that "woman" decides she wants to kill it I can and WILL abandon that murderer. My money, my choice.

Matthew 7 - Sermon the mount cont. Judgement and Discernment
1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”
Here's where most people STOP in their defense of "You can't judge me. Only God can judge me."
An Illustation of Jesus' principle regarding judging.
3-5 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Be the definition of murder and fact if a pregnant woman is killed it's a "double homicide". I can righteously judge all women who've killed their unborn and by law those who haven't who plan to "an accessory to murder."

There is no plank to remove here and no correction.
By God's "Do not murder." (Killing of the innocent of which an unborn baby is.) then if you're against abortion, you are against any form of it regardless of the cause.
For those that want to argue, rape and incest are not arguments in this.

 

[MadHermit]

Jer 1:5 “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”

Exo 21:22 “Now suppose two men are fighting, and in the process they accidentally strike a pregnant woman so she gives birth prematurely. If no further injury results, the man who struck the woman must pay the amount of compensation the woman’s husband demands and the judges approve.
Exo 21:23 But if there is further injury, the punishment must match the injury: a life for a life,

Progressive Christians point out that Jer. 1:5 does not address the abortion issue, whereas the Exodus verses clearly imply that the fetus does not qualify as a person. In fact, the Bible has texts on the sanctity of life , but never addresses the abortion question. That's why Didache 4:2 is so important for a pro-life stance: "Thou shalt not procure an abortion." The Didache or "The Teaching of the 12 Apsotles" was written in its final form around 95 AD. But the anti-abortion law is part of the 2 Ways section which scholars date decades earlier--in other words, well within the early NT period. Crucially, no Jewish or Christian text in the early Christian centuries supports abortion. SDidache 4:2 repersents the consensus of that era. So it is safe to assume that Didache's prohibition represents the position of the NT church.

 

[Rhema]

Different topics really.

No, they are not. I know you need them to be different, in order to escape your guilt in supporting "rape abortion." But they are not different topics.

David knew full well what he was doing.

So do the rapists.

A young lady that is raped has just been victimized and not sure what to do.

You think Bathsheba wasn't victimized? The KING raped her. Of course she didn't know what to do.

1. Let's focus on the rape of a lady and her using a morning after pill.

2. If you were a judge what would your punishment / judgement be? When you say ''murder / killing a baby'' it seems you believe in capital punishment from day one, is that correct?

You're conflating (that means mixing up) the law of God with the laws of the state. Hopefully you can sort that out, but abortion for any reason is the purposeful ending of a life, and that's murder. Now what a believer is to do when confronting such a murderer is different than what your hypothetical "judge" should do. The first thing to do is to witness that such a person IS a murderer, guilty before God of murder, and that God will judge them that way. The second would be to witness the saving grace of God given to those who professes Jesus Christ as His Son and repent in prayer.

The broader context is then to ask what a believer should be doing within the confines of his or her civil government. And I've already told you what a believer would do. An outpouring of love of Christ would provide financial assistance, medical care, and an arrangement for an adoption if necessary. But NEVER would a true believer support any action that would condone murder, let alone use state funds for such a thing.

And I'm pretty sure right now that you need to repent before God, and I'm not sure why you LOCKED into your current mindset

You are not properly reading my post.

Then you're not properly writing them. Don't blame me for your insufficient English skills or refusal to provide adequate background facts. (And stop whining.) This excuse is your "go to" for when you don't want to admit that you're wrong. Because I don't think it is possible for you to even consider that you might be wrong.

1. So wasted seed is not a sin? Nobody in scripture has died from wasting their seed?

(Oh Lord in heaven.....) YOU need better teachers. (Seriously, bro.)

(Genesis 38:8-10 KJV) And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.​

Onan displeased the Lord because he REFUSED to provide his brother's wife with children as the Law of Moses required.

To state 'slavery' shows you do not grasp what happened here.

If you are trying to make the point that good intent can have disastrous outcomes, that is true. But your example and 'comparisn' is just the worst.

I made the point that most evil actions are made by people who don't think that what they're doing is evil.

Not absurd scenarios. When one judges a matter, you need to consider everything. It is never simple.

Yes it is. It is that simple. Nobody is a "little bit" pregnant. The aborting of a fetus is still killing a baby. And killing a baby on purpose is murder. Now what should be done in the case of an unwanted pregnancy (regardless of how it was started) can certainly be discussed further, but as you keep saying, "that's for a different thread."

Then, knowing there was no evil intent would you: ...

Having no "evil intent" applies to actions that are not done on purpose (cf. Deu 19:2-7). You see "conception by rape" as having "no evil intent" on the part of the victim, and so infer from this that she should be granted the power to murder. BUT, the termination of that pregnancy IS being done on purpose. Purposeful murder is evil intent by definition. It's doing evil (murder) intentionally.

The point is that many good people have been naïve about abortion and had one.

Then when standing before God, one just can say, "Well I didn't know... so that's okay." And 'get away with it'? Really? NO, it's not okay. And NO, they won't get away with anything. But God is long-suffering, and would have everyone Repent to receive his Mercies of Forgiveness.

Why does one have to be properly taught that they must not have an abortion?

Why does anyone need to be taught about the loving mercies of the Father, willing to forgive any sin to those who repent?

People don't automatically know Right from Wrong, KJ. If they did, then the Father would have had no need to send the Son to teach people the "errors of their ways."

A fact like that needs to be considered when you play judge jury and executioner with your line ''KILLING a baby'''.

I'm not playing judge jury and executioner. That's your presumption. But I get it. YOU NEED to make me into an evil villain so that you can make yourself feel superior than me so you can then reject anything I say with which you disagree. But a baby is still being killed. You happen to think that's okay, but nobody else here does (or has posted such).

Not sure if you know, but trolling is a symptom of a mental illness like '' sadism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and narcissism''.

So is projection. So is the need for self-justification when killing a baby.

As a kid you grow up learning that something like pain is not nice. You thus choose to not slap your sibling and make them cry.

Without hesitation I can state with full assurance that you and I have had very different experiences when growing up. The idea of slapping a sibling (or anyone else for that matter) would never had entered my head, and I find the though repulsive. Let's just say you may have picked a bad example.

before its even an embryo is absurd.

An embryo is the initial stage of development for a multicellular organism. In organisms that reproduce sexually, embryonic development is the part of the life cycle that begins just after fertilization of the female egg cell by the male ***** cell. LINK​

An embryo starts at conception. You may need to take your own advice about "researching the germinal stage of pregnancy." Somehow I get the feeling that you've never taken any pre-med courses. Well, I have, so your condescension is unwarranted.

A fertilized female egg IS an embryo. But I get the feeling that you want to juggle all these terms around so you can ignore the fact that abortion is killing a baby.

Before you run off with assumptions, understand I am not for abortion. I am just acknowledging that to state it warrants capital punishment before its even an embryo is absurd.

What's absurd is that you keep trying to put the words "capital punishment" in my mouth when I never posted such a thing. Go ahead, search the thread. I never said "capital punishment." YOU, however, have used the term over thirty times. Over and Over again. Pushing and pushing and pushing to the point where I'm beginning to think there's something really wrong with you. Are you okay?

Nice to know that if your daughter came to you after her abortion, you will ordain capital punishment for her.

Yes, my daughter did have an abortion, and yes, she committed murder. She killed my first grandchild. On purpose. So I did what every believer should do, and when she repented and was forgiven by God, I did the same. If she had not, and the law of God demanded stoning, I would have cast the first one.

We need to always assess how bad what we doing is. This is Christianity 101.

Well one would wish that your English 101 had been better, but no, it's not up to you. And I would encourage you to obey the teachings of Jesus:

(John 16:13 KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.​

So who is your guide? The Spirit of Truth? Or your own brain trying to figure things out? I just don't see how anybody guided by the Holy Spirit could say that a baby isn't being murdered.

If you came to me and killed my baby, I will skin you alive.

I think you missing the point that I would be very upset.

That's not what you said. You said that you would "skin me alive" (kill me... or whomever). And that is seeking revenge. That's returning evil for evil, which is why I replied that if this is the case, "Then Jesus is not your King. And the Holy Spirit of Forgiveness is not in your heart." And gave the relevant scripture to support my position.

Now I too would be upset, but the spirit of revenge would not be in my heart. God cleansed that out decades ago. It wasn't fun, but it was necessary.


At this point, I'm not sure what more there is to be said, except... "I still think you're killing a baby."

Rhema

 

[Curtis]

The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child” (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).

 

[MedicBravo]

Progressive Christians point out that Jer. 1:5 does not address the abortion issue, whereas the Exodus verses clearly imply that the fetus does not qualify as a person. In fact, the Bible has texts on the sanctity of life , but never addresses the abortion question. That's why Didache 4:2 is so important for a pro-life stance: "Thou shalt not procure an abortion." The Didache or "The Teaching of the 12 Apsotles" was written in its final form around 95 AD. But the anti-abortion law is part of the 2 Ways section which scholars date decades earlier--in other words, well within the early NT period. Crucially, no Jewish or Christian text in the early Christian centuries supports abortion. SDidache 4:2 repersents the consensus of that era. So it is safe to assume that Didache's prohibition represents the position of the NT church.

"Progressive & Christian"?
There are facts and evidence including pregnant women in the Bible with active unborn babies so anyone's "opinion" that an unborn child is "not alive/person/human" is simply wrong.
It's quite absurd when unborn baby murderers will latch onto ANYTHING to justify murder.

 

[Rhema]

you are demonizing abortionists at the maximum level? That is evil.

It is not evil to call that which is evil - evil. It is not "demonization" to identify the actions of a murderer as evil.

So you would call the abortionist good?

(Isaiah 5:20 KJV) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!​

Did you truly try to call abortion evil, but the abortionist good?
Please let me know what I am missing here.

Amazing,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

You'll agree that all sins are NOT equal.
Every topic doesn't need scripture to back it.

Many believe sins are equal. When anyone states sin is sin, that is what they espouse.

The truth is that sin is sin and sin has degrees.

But yes, if you agree that there are degrees of sin, no scripture needed. We both in agreement.

Here it is again? "What you are implying is that an abortionist at any level deserves death by stoning?"
Levitical law was not given to us. No Christian gives such "punishments" to sinners from that.
No?

God does not change Num 23:19. If God's thoughts on a particular sin was that said individual deserves a graphic and violent death by stoning, don't for a second think He thinks any differently of the sin or sinner.

We may not apply the law today, but make no mistake, the whole of scripture is to be used. We are to discern the OT. When we do this, we find that God is a righteous judge. He does not agree with capital punishment for venial sinners for example. He clearly scales sins and their punishment.

Now, you talk about Christians. We see in 1 Cor 5:1 that Paul stops church proceedings to isolate and remove from assembly a 'brother so called' in a mortal sin of incest. We may not stone the individual, but we are shown very clearly that they are to be removed and treated differently to other sinners.

You're well behind on your yearly sacrifices as well as punishing and being punished. Why did you even state that as an argument? That's how Leftoids think.

Ironically no. It is how a just judge must think. This is why I keep wanting you to picture yourself being a judge. Judging the A-Z of what transpired. Not merely state ''Murderer''.

I'm sure someone will bring up the verse about the "drink" that "causes abortions" as another excuse when in fact that was about infidelity and pregnancy is not mention.

A Christian is to judge all things 1 Cor 2:15, as such, everything that transpires or is somehow affiliated with the case, needs to be considered.

Something like being drunk can be a factor.

We aren't under clothing restrictions, food, or other such OT laws. Moral Law however is permanent.

We need to discern the reasoning behind the OT laws. When we do this, we do similar to what Paul did in 1 Cor 5.

How am I "misrepresenting". Abortion IS murder.

With any sin there are degrees of severity. Taking stealing as an example. I can steal a stick of candy from a candy store 2/10 evil. Or I can steal all the food for the month from an orphanage 9/10.

When you and others state ''murder'' you imply that an abortionist is guilty of 10/10 murder. This is misrepresenting Christianity and completely and utterly failing at what Paul urges us to do better than the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-9. IE Judging matters.

Regardless who feels otherwise and if a "majority" feels murdering them is ok. God defines morals not us.

God has given us the ability to also judge. Gen 3:22, Heb 2:7, 1 Cor 2:15.

If we look at God, we can clearly see He rewards and or punishes according to actions Heb 2:6.

We ARE to judge and judge righteously and God is the Final Judge. There is a difference.

Sure. I have yet to hear your judgement though. In my post # 33 I gave my judgement according to the weeks of pregnancy; do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, please give your judgement.

What God says we are to repeat in both love, truth, and righteous judgement.
I'm not a woman so:
1. I can't get pregnant.
2. I can't kill my unborn baby.

However, if I did get a woman pregnant that baby has half my DNA. Grade school info no scripture needed.
Therefore, b/c we can NOT change how we reproduce I and WILL have say so. If that "woman" decides she wants to kill it I can and WILL abandon that murderer. My money, my choice.

Ok, so I take this as you believing it is 10/10 evil of murder from day 1? From germinal stage?

Matthew 7 - Sermon the mount cont. Judgement and Discernment
1-2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”
Here's where most people STOP in their defense of "You can't judge me. Only God can judge me."
An Illustation of Jesus' principle regarding judging.
3-5 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Be the definition of murder and fact if a pregnant woman is killed it's a "double homicide". I can righteously judge all women who've killed their unborn and by law those who haven't who plan to "an accessory to murder."
There is no plank to remove here and no correction.
By God's "Do not murder." (Killing of the innocent of which an unborn baby is.) then if you're against abortion, you are against any form of it regardless of the cause.
For those that want to argue, rape and incest are not arguments in this.

We are in agreement on judging. @Rhema is the only one saying ''don't judge''.

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema is the only one saying ''don't judge''.

And just where did I say that? Are you now calling me Christ?

It's not me, but God who charges them with murder. The Brethren are instructed to love those sinners who have killed their babies and help reconcile them with the light and Love of God. Where did you ever get the idea that the Disciples of Christ are to be Judge, jury, and executioner?

(Luke 6:37 NKJV) "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.​

(John 8:15 NKJV) You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.​

(Luke 19:10 NKJV) for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."​

But it's still sin. And the Gospel that we preach cannot support the sin of murder even if the baby came from rape, which is a judgment according to the flesh (man's ideas of Right and Wrong).

And you're still killing a baby.

Ex Cathedra
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

By God's "Do not murder." (Killing of the innocent of which an unborn baby is.) then if you're against abortion, you are against any form of it regardless of the cause.

Amen

 

[Rhema]

Something like being drunk can be a factor.

That actually makes it worse, you know.

 

[Rhema]

If we look at God, we can clearly see He rewards and or punishes according to actions Heb 2:6.

That makes no sense.

(Hebrews 2:6 KJV) But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?​

 

[Rhema]

God did not send Jesus to teach us our errors. What in the universe theology is that.

(Matthew 5:21-22 KJV) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, ... But I say unto you,...​

(Matthew 5:21-22 KJV) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou troll, shall be in danger of hell fire.​

(Mark 1:14-15 KJV) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

(John 3:10 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?​

 

[Rhema]

You need to own correction and evolve into a better person.

I'm not the one who supports killing a baby.

 

[MedicBravo]

The woman is guilty of murder.
Some have used "objects" to "scramble" the child and then go to the E.D. claiming "miscarriage".
Simply, an abortion is murder of the (innocent) unborn as a result of someone else's actions.

 

[KingJ]

That makes no sense.

(Hebrews 2:6 KJV) But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?​

Rom 2:6