What is going on at the Vatican ?

[Bill]

Dear Brother,
I agree with you that most definitely there is a difference in how one identifies oneself! However, to be honest I rarely if ever find myself in a situation that I start out with "Christian" as an identifier, unless its to differentiate myself as it pertains to religions or with the filling out of paperwork. Otherwise, I use something similar to what you used "child of God", "A Child of the Most High", which of course makes them as you say "pause".

I also find that I use Christian as an identifier more in writings, then in speech. Probably because, the t-shirts I wear, or even the masks I wear have Scripture verses, Crosses, or something that even a non-believer would associate with Christianity. I'm of the belief, that if I'm going to advertise for someone, i.e. company brand, I'd rather do it for the Lord. Doing so, has allowed me to have some interesting conversations over the years. People will stop me and ask where I purchased it, and this open it up to a deeper conversation of Scripture, my Lord, and where they might stand. To give you an example. One of my favorite t-shirts has a coffee cup and the word Coffee with the words for each letter as follows:

Christ
Offers
Forgiveness
For
Everyone
Everywhere

The fact that I also love a good cup of coffee in the morning, is just a plus.

Taking every opportunity to be a witness to a ever darkening world, is what I seek to do in my walk.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. One thing I do notice about Catholics. Most don't use "Christian" to identify themselves. They'll say "I'm Catholic" instead. Sometimes I think they don't want to be confused with some denomination that isn't Catholic.

I know I use the term servant of the Most High God quite often . It is what I am , but often the Lord will tell me to say Witness instead.

 

[Bill]

May the love of Jesus be with all of us

In my work that I do for the Lord I have often heard from others " the spirit led me to start a group to work in the Inner City " or the spirit Lead Me to work for the homeless or the spirit Lead Me to go preach to those in prison. And so on .

But what often happens is that these individuals or groups of people will come out of another established church . They will recognize the movement of the spirit in them to do these great works however they will also fail in recognizing that God also works in their previous church as well.

And so what takes place cuz you have a group of individuals feel called to do a specific task that maybe their church is not ready to do, so they split from that church had to begin their own church.

I cannot begin to tell you how many times I have sat there and tried to teach that God reaches through many Avenues. And just because the previous church is unwilling or unable to do it , the work that God has called you to do . does not mean that they are condemned because they are not doing what you want.

Christians in all churches are called to do many different tasks. And if we sit there and deny the fact that Christ has worked through these different churches then we only condemn ourselves .

When we talk about Constantine and his transformation to Christianity we totally forget about the fact of Christ Redemption.

What was the point of Christ dying on the cross if we cannot change our hearts. If we were to say that Constantine worship the Sun maybe he did do that before he became a Christian . But it was in Christ that he has been redeemed

To say that Constantine or any other Christian was not redeemed would be the same as saying to ourselves that I am not redeemed as a Christian either because I was a sinner before I became a Christian.

As you can see this makes no sense.

I have no issues whether a person is a Baptist or Catholic or a non-denominational , so long as the core belief is solid that Jesus is the son of God, that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead and that Jesus redeemed us of our sins.

Finally if the love of God lives in your heart then there's nothing more to be said.

Love is the key

 

[Bill]

Remove yourself from the sin and inequity of this religion. It serves no Godly purpose and and only serves man and his evil desires. Strip yourself bare mentally and spiritually. If it is not written in the Gospels, then it is not the truth. You can judge a tree by its fruit, organised religion is full of bad fruit. Leave while you still can , otherwise you will be held accountable for your allegiance to these detestable organisations with Satan at its helm. The choice is yours. And your salvation is not assured whilst you imbibe with these people.

My friend I cannot leave until my task is finished. And you are failing to see the children of God within all of these churches.

The church's themselves are not at fault the leaders of the church i's are however , are failing in a lot of different areas pastors priests Bishops and the pope is as well there is a great delusion that is taking place .

Tons of false teachings are being preach every single day right in front of everyone's noses . And they don't see it . Some of these false teachings has been going on for years , and are now considered dogma of some Churches .

The greatest challenge of all Christians will become evident soon , it is taking the mark of the beast .

This passage in scripture was not meant for anyone except the Christians.

May the Lord's peace be with you always

 

[Dave M]

The church's themselves are not at fault the leaders of the church i's are however

I think what you saying here is that the members are not at fault, you know I hope your correct,

but that would seem to leave personal accountability out of the eqaution then, The catholic church does not count on Jesus for the forgviness of sins they count on pergotory the people are very confused, I really hope they get a pass for not understanding, I am not sure if they do or dont, I hope they do........ but the bible says the way is hard and few find it........the picture you seem to always paint is the way is easy and many find it I say that with respect.

 

[Bill]

I think what you saying here is that the members are not at fault, you know I hope your correct,

but that would seem to leave personal accountability out of the eqaution then, The catholic church does not count on Jesus for the forgviness of sins they count on pergotory the people are very confused, I really hope they get a pass for not understanding, I am not sure if they do or dont, I hope they do........ but the bible says the way is hard and few find it........the picture you seem to always paint is the way is easy and many find it I say that with respect.

Where are you getting your information from , the Catholics seek thier forgiveness from Jesus . Confession , is a person before a witness or minister of God , confessing thier sins . And in the scriptural understanding of ' when two or more are gathered in my name I am there too '

Purgatory is something completely different , . It is a moment in Gods time , it is God Grace to mankind

 

[Bill]

I think what you saying here is that the members are not at fault, you know I hope your correct,

but that would seem to leave personal accountability out of the eqaution then, The catholic church does not count on Jesus for the forgviness of sins they count on pergotory the people are very confused, I really hope they get a pass for not understanding, I am not sure if they do or dont, I hope they do........ but the bible says the way is hard and few find it........the picture you seem to always paint is the way is easy and many find it I say that with respect.

Tell me , as a Christian , are you held accountable forr the murder on innocent babies , or Abortion ? Yet you live in a country that allows it

 

[Dave M]

Tell me , as a Christian , are you held accountable forr the murder on innocent babies , or Abortion ? Yet you live in a country that allows it

if you are a christian and vote for people who allow it I beleive you will be accountable

 

[Dave M]

Purgatory is something completely different , . It is a moment in Gods time , it is God Grace to mankind

I grew up catholic Pugatory is wear people go to be clensed from sin before going to heaven is what they teach

 

[Dave M]

What does the Catholic Church believe about purgatory?
The Catholic Church holds that "all who die in God's grace and friendship but still imperfectly purified" undergo the process of purification which the Church calls purgatory, "so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven".

so they are putting purgatory in place of Jesus you see, Jesus dying on the cross was not enough, we dont go through Jess to heaven we go through purgatory you see


most dont understand it and justt accept it as it is passed down from generation to generaton, my whole family is catholic

 

[Brad Huber]

My experience is that there is local catholic ways, and the top down rules, that are not always followed in the RCC. Sometimes local priests and bishops hold sway slightly different from official catholic ways. Sometimes thats for the worse and sometimes for the better.

 

[Bill]

if you are a christian and vote for people who allow it I beleive you will be accountable

But you still live in a country that allows such a crime . Gods laws are against it . Do you march out front of such places , do you scream at the top of your lungs against it . ?

Are you held accountable for your inaction , or the action of others ?

 

[Dave M]

But you still live in a country that allows such a crime . Gods laws are against it . Do you march out front of such places , do you scream at the top of your lungs against it . ?

Are you held accountable for your inaction , or the action of others ?

I am not following you, catholis do not have be catholics, not getting your point at all my freind

 

[Enxu]

When we talk about Constantine and his transformation to Christianity we totally forget about the fact of Christ Redemption.

What was the point of Christ dying on the cross if we cannot change our hearts. If we were to say that Constantine worship the Sun maybe he did do that before he became a Christian . But it was in Christ that he has been redeemed

To say that Constantine or any other Christian was not redeemed would be the same as saying to ourselves that I am not redeemed as a Christian either because I was a sinner before I became a Christian.

No, Constantine was never redeemed. According to historical sources, he continued sun worship after Christianizing his empire. He never repented of his sins and the Roman Catholic regime under him murdered other Christians. All these bad fruits showed that he was never saved. I also don't need to mention just how corrupt the RCC is over the generations with its sex scandal, child abuse etc.

Constantine's conversion to Christianity was his political move to take control of the church which was not exterminated despite decades of persecution by his predecessors, he was inspired by the devil to create a false religion in place of the Gospel already preached by the apostles. I am not the only one who had this kind of revelation about him and the RCC, even early Christians in his time saw his regime as being of the devil. You and the rest who support him are deceived.

 

[Bill]

What does the Catholic Church believe about purgatory?
The Catholic Church holds that "all who die in God's grace and friendship but still imperfectly purified" undergo the process of purification which the Church calls purgatory, "so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven".

so they are putting purgatory in place of Jesus you see, Jesus dying on the cross was not enough, we dont go through Jess to heaven we go through purgatory you see


most dont understand it and justt accept it as it is passed down from generation to generaton, my whole family is catholic

what purgatory is , is Gods Grace to mankind .

Jesus died for our sins, and the redemption of mankind . But we still sin .

There are some who teach that once you are Saved , that is it , you can not ever loose your salvation . This is a false teaching , and shown in scripture as well .

Many love to make all sorts of excuses to the scripture proving what i am saying . This has to do with Judas .

Jesus states in Scripture ( His Word ) talking to the Apostles . " your names are written in Heaven " then we see Judas throw away his salvation by betreying Jesus .

He sinned

And did not seek forgiveness .

When we are born into Christ , the Scripture states to " fan into a flame " our faith . Paul talks about his walk in God as a race . To remain in faith to the end .

These two statements make clear that we must continue to strive , continue to grow , to move forward in our faith . Because what will happen if we do not fan into a flame , our faith . What will happen if we do not pursue God daily . We will become the grass that withers . We will open ourselves to the titillation of the devil , to sin .

We are human , and humans do a lot of dumb things . But God still loves us . Each of us , intently .

If you are dilligent , and have the opportunity to ask God , forgive me of my sins , at death . Heaven is wide open for you . But what of the millions , Baptized in Jesus , who are imperfect .What of them .

Jesus says " be Holy for I am Holy . If at the moment you are Baptized you are forever untainted by sin . Why would Jesus ask this , to be Holy .

To be Holy means it is to be obtained . Something to strive for , something to fan into a flame .

Purgatory is where mankind obtains Holiness

 

[Br. Bear]

humans do a lot of dumb things .

Greetings,

That is, according to humans


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bill]

Greetings,

That is, according to humans


Bless you ....><>

Aren't we all . And its the devil's favotite excuse .

We hear it all the time , men wrote the Bible .

Men started chuches

Its where Humanism gets its roots

The concept , it was all done by humans

 

[Dave M]

Purgatory is where mankind obtains Holiness

Purgatory came about as a scam to pay for your dead family members way out. You would offer up money to the catholic church to the priest and they would pray for your dead family members to get out of purgatory.

if you have any scripture that supports purgatory I would love to see it.

Purgatory takes away the work on the cross that Jesus did.

. But we still sin .

if you living a life of sin you are not going to heaven no one who practices sin is going to heaven.

 

[Bill]

Purgatory came about as a scam to pay for your dead family members way out. You would offer up money to the catholic church to the priest and they would pray for your dead family members to get out of purgatory.

if you have any scripture that supports purgatory I would love to see it.

Purgatory takes away the work on the cross that Jesus did.




if you living a life of sin you are not going to heaven no one who practices sin is going to heaven.

The protestants i have met in Purgatory are thankful it is there . It is something thier churches never taught

 

[Bill]

Purgatory came about as a scam to pay for your dead family members way out. You would offer up money to the catholic church to the priest and they would pray for your dead family members to get out of purgatory.

if you have any scripture that supports purgatory I would love to see it.

Purgatory takes away the work on the cross that Jesus did.




if you living a life of sin you are not going to heaven no one who practices sin is going to heaven.

You dont have to practice sin , to sin .

To me practicing sin is one who willingly knows they are sinning .

But sins happen all the time , unknown . This is why we seek the Blood of the Lamb , to be washed in the Blood . It is what repentance is all about

Our Father ...... and forgive us our trespasses

If you accept Jesus as Lord , and you can never sin again , why did Jesus bother to teach us a prayer such as the Our Father ?

 

[PloughBoy]

Just showing a little more light upon the the statement I mention in post #18.
"You made me think again. Have you ever notice when you say you are a Christian in front of people that word breeze by them in subjection. But when you call yourself or declare yourself before them as a "child of God" in singular form, people pause. It is like, they have been stun by something."

It has come into my attention again. "as the clouds are the dust from His feet". As the 'brisk' of a untimely wind'. And the "Holy Scripture" comes to my mind for the second time.
(John 18).
4Jesus therefore, knowing all the things that were coming upon him, went forth, and saith unto them, Whom seek ye? 5They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, who betrayed him, was standing with them. 6When therefore he said unto them, I am he , they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7Again therefore he asked them, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8Jesus answered, I told you that I am he ; if therefore ye seek me, let these go

Now we know the "Power of God' is in a true christian who is "Born from Above', "Born of GOD" a "Spiritual Birth" that is real and nothing fake about it. Not a change of mind but a completely Brand New Creature that has come into being and empowered, rengenerate" The Paraclete lives in the "Child of GOD" forever. But does not live in all of the definitions of what a "Christian" is. The Paraclete does not live in the "Nominal christian" per-se definition.

So now, if that power is living in the "Child of God" by birth, that is the same Power that is in Jesus Christ that raise Him up from the grave, the same Power that will raise the "Child of GOD' from the grave! And the same Power that spoke through HIm in "The Garden of Gethsemane" that said: "I am he". [That is pure Truth empowered by GOD]. NOW when we who are The True Children of GOD says; that "I am a Child of GOD" That is Pure Truth empowered by, GOD. so it has 'just maybe' a effect. Even if it is only a "Spiritual" Pause. before the face of one who is not. But then again, those words went out into the "Universe" and The Universe has to testify those words are True.

New International Version
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
(Romans 8).

Iin closing, we are not different because of what we believe or what doctrine we hold, We are different, Because of Who We Are, and that we cannot change, who we are.
We are "The Sons of The Living GOD" and the Powers that rules this world, know who we are and the world does not. Because they have not know Him.

Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason theworld does not know us is that it did not knowHim. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.…

For I am a Child of God, nothing more and nothing less. would you not agree.

you should be laying on the ground and kicking your legs up in the sky, and everyone around you thinking you have just lost your mind. especially if you over 60 and not at a baseball game!