What is going on at the Vatican ?

[Bill]

Just showing a little more light upon the the statement I mention in post #18.
"You made me think again. Have you ever notice when you say you are a Christian in front of people that word breeze by them in subjection. But when you call yourself or declare yourself before them as a "child of God" in singular form, people pause. It is like, they have been stun by something."

It has come into my attention again. "as the clouds are the dust from His feet". As the 'brisk' of a untimely wind'. And the "Holy Scripture" comes to my mind for the second time.
(John 18).
4Jesus therefore, knowing all the things that were coming upon him, went forth, and saith unto them, Whom seek ye? 5They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, who betrayed him, was standing with them. 6When therefore he said unto them, I am he , they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7Again therefore he asked them, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8Jesus answered, I told you that I am he ; if therefore ye seek me, let these go

Now we know the "Power of God' is in a true christian who is "Born from Above', "Born of GOD" a "Spiritual Birth" that is real and nothing fake about it. Not a change of mind but a completely Brand New Creature that has come into being and empowered, rengenerate" The Paraclete lives in the "Child of GOD" forever. But does not live in all of the definitions of what a "Christian" is. The Paraclete does not live in the "Nominal christian" per-se definition.

So now, if that power is living in the "Child of God" by birth, that is the same Power that is in Jesus Christ that raise Him up from the grave, the same Power that will raise the "Child of GOD' from the grave! And the same Power that spoke through HIm in "The Garden of Gethsemane" that said: "I am he". [That is pure Truth empowered by GOD]. NOW when we who are The True Children of GOD says; that "I am a Child of GOD" That is Pure Truth empowered by, GOD. so it has 'just maybe' a effect. Even if it is only a "Spiritual" Pause. before the face of one who is not. But then again, those words went out into the "Universe" and The Universe has to testify those words are True.

New International Version
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
(Romans 8).

Iin closing, we are not different because of what we believe or what doctrine we hold, We are different, Because of Who We Are, and that we cannot change, who we are.
We are "The Sons of The Living GOD" and the Powers that rules this world, know who we are and the world does not. Because they have not know Him.

Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason theworld does not know us is that it did not knowHim. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.…

For I am a Child of God, nothing more and nothing less. would you not agree.

you should be laying on the ground and kicking your legs up in the sky, and everyone around you thinking you have just lost your mind. especially if you over 60 and not at a baseball game!

You know , Plough boy . Sometimes you drive me nuts . To be honst , i think we all do a fair amount of driving eachother nuts . Lol

But Sir , then you write something like this post , that just floors me .

Those 2 paragraphs , " we know the " Power of God " are so right on target

Wow

I can only add this one thing , it is all about recieving the Holy Spirit .

There are some who do recieve the Holy Spirit at birth , the majority do not .

There are 2 baptisms, as John the Baptist pointed out . " i baptize you with water , but another is coming who will baptize you with fire and power .

Baptism when first coming to Jesus , is not a guarentee of being Baptized by the Holy Spirit

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is completely different

 

[Dave M]

You dont have to practice sin , to sin .

I agree but those that practice sin are differnt then those that stumble in sin, those that practice sin are not going to heaven according to scripture important to know the difference

 

[Gregoryp]

Just showing a little more light upon the the statement I mention in post #18.
"You made me think again. Have you ever notice when you say you are a Christian in front of people that word breeze by them in subjection. But when you call yourself or declare yourself before them as a "child of God" in singular form, people pause. It is like, they have been stun by something."

It has come into my attention again. "as the clouds are the dust from His feet". As the 'brisk' of a untimely wind'. And the "Holy Scripture" comes to my mind for the second time.
(John 18).
4Jesus therefore, knowing all the things that were coming upon him, went forth, and saith unto them, Whom seek ye? 5They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, who betrayed him, was standing with them. 6When therefore he said unto them, I am he , they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7Again therefore he asked them, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8Jesus answered, I told you that I am he ; if therefore ye seek me, let these go

Now we know the "Power of God' is in a true christian who is "Born from Above', "Born of GOD" a "Spiritual Birth" that is real and nothing fake about it. Not a change of mind but a completely Brand New Creature that has come into being and empowered, rengenerate" The Paraclete lives in the "Child of GOD" forever. But does not live in all of the definitions of what a "Christian" is. The Paraclete does not live in the "Nominal christian" per-se definition.

So now, if that power is living in the "Child of God" by birth, that is the same Power that is in Jesus Christ that raise Him up from the grave, the same Power that will raise the "Child of GOD' from the grave! And the same Power that spoke through HIm in "The Garden of Gethsemane" that said: "I am he". [That is pure Truth empowered by GOD]. NOW when we who are The True Children of GOD says; that "I am a Child of GOD" That is Pure Truth empowered by, GOD. so it has 'just maybe' a effect. Even if it is only a "Spiritual" Pause. before the face of one who is not. But then again, those words went out into the "Universe" and The Universe has to testify those words are True.

New International Version
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
(Romans 8).

Iin closing, we are not different because of what we believe or what doctrine we hold, We are different, Because of Who We Are, and that we cannot change, who we are.
We are "The Sons of The Living GOD" and the Powers that rules this world, know who we are and the world does not. Because they have not know Him.

Children of God
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason theworld does not know us is that it did not knowHim. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.…

For I am a Child of God, nothing more and nothing less. would you not agree.

you should be laying on the ground and kicking your legs up in the sky, and everyone around you thinking you have just lost your mind. especially if you over 60 and not at a baseball game!

DO NOT use the NIV bible, it is the work of Satan. Full of false doctrine and totally changed scripture.

 

[Gregoryp]

THE NIV - FULL OF FALSE DOCTRINE Do not use the NIV bible, as soon as I see it mentioned in anyones post, I move on.

 

[Bill]

THE NIV - FULL OF FALSE DOCTRINE Do not use the NIV bible, as soon as I see it mentioned in anyones post, I move on.

Tell us about it then . . Please , so others can understand .

 

[Gregoryp]

Tell us about it then . . Please , so others can understand .

the link explains everything, and save me a lot of typing

 

[Gregoryp]

Loved ones, our humble lips cannot clearly express to you the danger of promoting the use of the NIV and ESV. The devil is sooooo smart. For approximately six thousands years he has put up with men reading the Bible. He has done his best to get man away from the Bible by giving them other books (Qur’an, Book of Mormon, etc.). However, this tactic has worked for him only in a limited way (he has a few million Mormons and maybe a billion or so Muslims). He now has become so smart that he has devised a way to give man a Bible to read that is NOT really a Bibl

 

[Bill]

the link explains everything, and save me a lot of typing

I like to hear it from you , not from a video . Because we get all sorts of people showing videos here . We have had guys say KJV was old school and needs modern words set in . , or there are some that are anti- denominational or some who are gun ho on thier church .

So i just would like some straight up words to show us why . You dont need to give every detail

As an example , be warry of the Methodist church , not all , but some are trying to neuter God . Saying that God is niether male or female

 

[Bill]

Loved ones, our humble lips cannot clearly express to you the danger of promoting the use of the NIV and ESV. The devil is sooooo smart. For approximately six thousands years he has put up with men reading the Bible. He has done his best to get man away from the Bible by giving them other books (Qur’an, Book of Mormon, etc.). However, this tactic has worked for him only in a limited way (he has a few million Mormons and maybe a billion or so Muslims). He now has become so smart that he has devised a way to give man a Bible to read that is NOT really a Bibl

I know there was a new KJV that came out that has limited sales , . It is not even close to the KJV . It was being sold at truckstops in Ohio last i saw . I briefly looked at thier sample copy , some of the miracles were down played . . Jesus walking on the water said , " Jesus rushed out into the water " once i read that i started complaining ( loudly ) about it being the book of the devil .

 

[Dave M]

The protestants i have met in Purgatory are thankful it is there

interesting,, can you provide scripture for purgatory??

Jesus makes us Righteous ,,,,,,,seems to me your adding to Jesus work on the cross,,,,,,, if we have to go to purgatory,,,,,

 

[PloughBoy]

DO NOT use the NIV bible, it is the work of Satan. Full of false doctrine and totally changed scripture.

copyright is a key and tells the story.
I study Translations in Reformed Bible College in late and early 1970's 1980's' so I know "NIV" i have not heard about "NIV" I know NIV's and what copyrights can be trusted. I Know what "Original Copied Text" Manuscripts that are used to translated into modern day languages. i know what Papyrus it came from.
I learn this stuff when i was stil lunder my mothers apron. LOL. When No one thought it was important. But as "Reformed" these are the elementary.

In other words: why would anybody read a Bible and not know who wrote it? who translated it, the translation who copied it, who where the translators, why was it translated, why is this translation different from the other translation, why is this translation needed. what is the difference fro this translation copyright from this one.

This stuff you learn in grade school. would you just pick up a bible and just read it. NO way! investigate. i know i was not going to pick up a bible and just read it. Oh it is the word of GOD! I went to the front the introduction. pickup me a dictionary a good one. 1st thing is "What is a Translation" can you believe a person can pick up a translation and do not know what a translation is. And then translated from WHAT! No wonder everyone runing around thinking Jesus came to make you HAPPY! HAPPY might not mean the same HAPPY in the BIBLE! HAPPY in the Bible might mean, you get ready SUFFER! big time, especially when it says: Don't faint" or "faint not"! " and once you put your hand to that plow." and when you get to that part "HE chasten all those he love" [there is no escape clause} ladies,

Talikin to you too miss goodie two shoes: He is going to get you too! "You have not escape" i don't care how old you are

(Hebrews 12:6).
"The Lord disciplines everyone he loves. He " severely" disciplines everyone he accepts as his child."

And we must know this, that any good translation of The Bible will have a "Introduction" at the front and should give a thorough introduction of that "Translation" and The Manuscripts that was used and all of the Translators credentials in it and expertise of the field of Biblical Studies. And the Translation Materials, including the Encyclopedia's and Lexicons and Concordances names. and the list of word replacments and the english syntax and pronunciations.
The Best "NIV" I know till Date has been "Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible" that has reference of added text and ommited and the reason why.: Copyright
era around 1979-early 1990 if you can find one out side of my personal Library a few I have in good shape and worn shape. and a few more excellent KJV of NSR copyright 1967 value between 800- $900.00. worn and good shape. it was a good century between 1967 - 1980 on Bible translation study bibles, it was a race for "The Truth" and these lead the way ASV, RSV, NIV, KJV. and in them had the explanation why! right before your face, if anything was change, and they all tied in to ISBE, STRONGS< YOUNGS<VINES, Brown's, Thayer's, Englishmen Greek Englishmen Hebrew.
Now we live in the "GREAT FALLING" from the Truth of GOD's Word'

Just like "Luther and Calvin" had proclaimed: and the Bible foretold:
Everyone has a different Bible
Everyone has a different teacher
Everyone has their own hermeneutics
Everyone has their own interpretations
Everyone has their own altar
Everyone has their own Jesus
Everyone has their own Image of GOD
Everyone has their own church
Everyone has their denomination
Everyone has their own non-denimnation
Everyone has a image of their own Holiness
Everyone has a Image of their own Salvation
Everyone has a image of their own will
Everyone has a right unto their own Goodness and Justification and claims to righteousness.

"There was a time that man did that was right in his own eyes"

But i believe this "Biblical Motif" is somewhat approaching.
"But I tell all "The Lion is about to come out of the Thicket"

And He is Not going to be looking like one of "Raphael" paintings.

So, Gregropy
i do agree, a lot of Translations in this era of new copyrights no telling what you might get. we live in the "Burger King" era "Have it your way"

 

[Bill]

copyright is a key and tells the story.
I study Translations in Reformed Bible College in late and early 1970's 1980's' so I know "NIV" i have not heard about "NIV" I know NIV's and what copyrights can be trusted. I Know what "Original Copied Text" Manuscripts that are used to translated into modern day languages. i know what Papyrus it came from.
I learn this stuff when i was stil lunder my mothers apron. LOL. When No one thought it was important. But as "Reformed" these are the elementary.

In other words: why would anybody read a Bible and not know who wrote it? who translated it, the translation who copied it, who where the translators, why was it translated, why is this translation different from the other translation, why is this translation needed. what is the difference fro this translation copyright from this one.

This stuff you learn in grade school. would you just pick up a bible and just read it. NO way! investigate. i know i was not going to pick up a bible and just read it. Oh it is the word of GOD! I went to the front the introduction. pickup me a dictionary a good one. 1st thing is "What is a Translation" can you believe a person can pick up a translation and do not know what a translation is. And then translated from WHAT! No wonder everyone runing around thinking Jesus came to make you HAPPY! HAPPY might not mean the same HAPPY in the BIBLE! HAPPY in the Bible might mean, you get ready SUFFER! big time, especially when it says: Don't faint" or "faint not"! " and once you put your hand to that plow." and when you get to that part "HE chasten all those he love" [there is no escape clause} ladies,

Talikin to you too miss goodie two shoes: He is going to get you too! "You have not escape" i don't care how old you are

(Hebrews 12:6).
"The Lord disciplines everyone he loves. He " severely" disciplines everyone he accepts as his child."

And we must know this, that any good translation of The Bible will have a "Introduction" at the front and should give a thorough introduction of that "Translation" and The Manuscripts that was used and all of the Translators credentials in it and expertise of the field of Biblical Studies. And the Translation Materials, including the Encyclopedia's and Lexicons and Concordances names. and the list of word replacments and the english syntax and pronunciations.
The Best "NIV" I know till Date has been "Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible" that has reference of added text and ommited and the reason why.: Copyright
era around 1979-early 1990 if you can find one out side of my personal Library a few I have in good shape and worn shape. and a few more excellent KJV of NSR copyright 1967 value between 800- $900.00. worn and good shape. it was a good century between 1967 - 1980 on Bible translation study bibles, it was a race for "The Truth" and these lead the way ASV, RSV, NIV, KJV. and in them had the explanation why! right before your face, if anything was change, and they all tied in to ISBE, STRONGS< YOUNGS<VINES, Brown's, Thayer's, Englishmen Greek Englishmen Hebrew.
Now we live in the "GREAT FALLING" from the Truth of GOD's Word'

Just like "Luther and Calvin" had proclaimed: and the Bible foretold:
Everyone has a different Bible
Everyone has a different teacher
Everyone has their own hermeneutics
Everyone has their own interpretations
Everyone has their own altar
Everyone has their own Jesus
Everyone has their own Image of GOD
Everyone has their own church
Everyone has their denomination
Everyone has their own non-denimnation
Everyone has a image of their own Holiness
Everyone has a Image of their own Salvation
Everyone has a image of their own will
Everyone has a right unto their own Goodness and Justification and claims to righteousness.

"There was a time that man did that was right in his own eyes"

But i believe this "Biblical Motif" is somewhat approaching.
"But I tell all "The Lion is about to come out of the Thicket"

And He is Not going to be looking like one of "Raphael" paintings.

So, Gregropy
i do agree, a lot of Translations in this era of new copyrights no telling what you might get. we live in the "Burger King" era "Have it your way"

Did you see that one translation i was talking about . When i read it , im like - scratching my head " lol it states , instead of the apostles seeing Jesus walking on the water . That ( cough ) Bible ( sorry Lord , some translations are really ' out there ". It said , " Jesus rushed out to the boat . "

I mean come on . Lol

 

[Bill]

interesting,, can you provide scripture for purgatory??

Jesus makes us Righteous ,,,,,,,seems to me your adding to Jesus work on the cross,,,,,,, if we have to go to purgatory,,,,,

Can you find Scripture of a car is ok to use .because if it isnt in the Bible it isnt of God .

Isnt this the very thing i have talked about . Try using the Gifts of the Spirit . Use your faith !!!!

It is in the Bible however , and everyone complains in the same way , " Oh it cant be that , it will make me look like a Catholic . So they come up with other explanations .

 

[Dave M]

Can you find Scripture of a car is ok to use .because if it isnt in the Bible it isnt of God .

Isnt this the very thing i have talked about . Try using the Gifts of the Spirit . Use your faith !!!!

It is in the Bible however , and everyone complains in the same way , " Oh it cant be that , it will make me look like a Catholic . So they come up with other explanations .

God gave us his word I will use that it is to be trusted above myself or you for that matter. I see you always discouraging more then encouraging when it comes to the word of God it does make me scratch my head sometimes, maybe you should dig more in the word and less in what you think.

Born again followers of Jesus Love the word of God trust the word of God above man or above what they themselfs think, that is why God gave us his word,

 

[Bill]

God gave us his word I will use that it is to be trusted above myself or you for that matter. I see you always discouraging more then encouraging when it comes to the word of God it does make me scratch my head sometimes, maybe you should dig more in the word and less in what you think.

Born again followers of Jesus Love the word of God trust the word of God above man or above what they themselfs think, that is why God gave us his word,

Yes , and when we read His Word , Jesus repeatedly tells us faith , faith , faith .

Your Faith has saved you . Its what Jesus says to those who sought Him out to be cured .

Jesus is the cornerstone of the building that is your life . Your Life . He want you to build ontop of that foundation , which is His Word . But you still have to live your life , all the Bible / Words of Jesus do are to point you , give you the fertilizer to grow into the Glory God has for you . But you still need to grow up . And walk in faith .

If you never take the training wheels off , how will you know you can ride the bike .

Walking in faith takes place , when the only thing you can do is trust in God

Peter had no script to tell him walking on the water was " of the Lord " he did it in faith .

At the time , it had not been revieled to them that Jesus was the Messiah , but Peter was still filled with faith . He had nothing else to fall back on .

Going back to the scripture for your confermations , are fine . If you are a child in the scripture , but growing up means to trust solely on God , and the Movement of the Holy Spirit .

When Paul was taken in spirit , what scripture did he fall back on to say it was of the Lord . He could not have , because there was nothing like it . He followed the movement of the Holy Spirit within himself because he recognized Its Presence.

 

[B-A-C]

Pope tells atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Hekuran]

Pope tells atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

www.independent.co.uk

Unfortunately the journalist who wrote that piece in the independent made a bit of a mess of it. And whoever wrote the headline evidently had no idea at all. The letter in the Repubblica newspaper - translated from italian to English is here. Pope Francisco writes to La Repubblica: "An open dialogue with non-believers" The quotation is here, but as you can see, Pope Francis says nothing about atheists going to heaven.

 

[Dave M]

Yes , and when we read His Word , Jesus repeatedly tells us faith , faith , faith .

you want to see someones faith and really know if it is faith,,,, show me a persons obedience,

 

[Bill]

you want to see someones faith and really know if it is faith,,,, show me a persons obedience,

What part of you do you want me to tell you about .

Listen to me everyone this is a man who has diligently follow the lord from the time that he first chose to do so. And when I see him see his soul it is white as snow. His love for God enveloped him . And God walks with him .

Dave as you can see even though you do not understand what I am trying to say you are already there. It is the love of God that has to be present, your love for God

 

[Bill]

you want to see someones faith and really know if it is faith,,,, show me a persons obedience,

Abraham is obedient to God