Welcome!
By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.
SignUp Now!You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
What is the Bible about?
- Thread starter JLG
- Start date
Someone says :
I don't understand what you're trying to say when you write "If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!"
a) How do today's people think? That is an impossibly broad generalization.
b) Since even Biblical scholars disagree about the product of the art/science of translation, how does one decide (in your opinion) on the "best" translation.
Personally I prefer the NIV and the NRSVue translations. To me, they to have the best combination of converting the ancient languages' words and meaning into modern English with clarity of understanding..
I don't understand what you're trying to say when you write "If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!"
a) How do today's people think? That is an impossibly broad generalization.
b) Since even Biblical scholars disagree about the product of the art/science of translation, how does one decide (in your opinion) on the "best" translation.
Personally I prefer the NIV and the NRSVue translations. To me, they to have the best combination of converting the ancient languages' words and meaning into modern English with clarity of understanding..
- My answer :
- There is no better translation!
- The best one will always be the original!
- Since the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!
- In fact, they should not be called translations at all!
- Today's people are influenced by their languages written and spoken languages, they also think and act differently!
- In fact, they do everything differently!
- Just take the examples of today's people: they have different cultures and they seem to live at different times!
- A good example is the word yom in Hebrew, it is usually translated by day in English!
- But in hebrew it has different meaning depending on the context because the language used in the Bible is limited!
- The only possibility was to use the same word for different uses!
- There is no better translation!
- The best one will always be the original!
- Since the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!
- In fact, they should not be called translations at all!
- Today's people are influenced by their languages written and spoken languages, they also think and act differently!
- In fact, they do everything differently!
- Just take the examples of today's people: they have different cultures and they seem to live at different times!
- A good example is the word yom in Hebrew, it is usually translated by day in English!
- But in hebrew it has different meaning depending on the context because the language used in the Bible is limited!
- The only possibility was to use the same word for different uses!
Somebody says :
The King James translation is NOT "the original". There were translations prior to 1611, including the Tyndale, the Geneva, and others. And there are translations afterwards that are better.
There is no basis for saying that "the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!" No translation has ever taken away God's name! None of them!
It is clear that you know nothing about Bible translations, the methodology behind them, the source languages, etc.
Clearly, unless you can come up with some facts, there is no point in discussing this with you.
The King James translation is NOT "the original". There were translations prior to 1611, including the Tyndale, the Geneva, and others. And there are translations afterwards that are better.
There is no basis for saying that "the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!" No translation has ever taken away God's name! None of them!
It is clear that you know nothing about Bible translations, the methodology behind them, the source languages, etc.
Clearly, unless you can come up with some facts, there is no point in discussing this with you.
My answer :
- Apparently, when I copy Biblehub, you don’t read it !
- In the second message (2), I posted Genesis 4:26 and it is written :
At that time
אָ֣ז (’āz)
Adverb
Strong's 227: At that time, place, therefore
[men] began
הוּחַ֔ל (hū·ḥal)
Verb - Hofal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 2490: To bore, to wound, to dissolve, to profane, to break, to begin, to play
to call upon
לִקְרֹ֖א (liq·rō)
Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 7121: To call, proclaim, read
the name
בְּשֵׁ֥ם (bə·šêm)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 8034: A name
of the LORD.
יְהוָֽה׃ (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel
- And it is everywhere in Biblehub
- the name of the LORD (Yah.weh) – the proper name of the God of Israel !
- There is nothing to discuss !
- Apparently, when I copy Biblehub, you don’t read it !
- In the second message (2), I posted Genesis 4:26 and it is written :
At that time
אָ֣ז (’āz)
Adverb
Strong's 227: At that time, place, therefore
[men] began
הוּחַ֔ל (hū·ḥal)
Verb - Hofal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 2490: To bore, to wound, to dissolve, to profane, to break, to begin, to play
to call upon
לִקְרֹ֖א (liq·rō)
Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 7121: To call, proclaim, read
the name
בְּשֵׁ֥ם (bə·šêm)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 8034: A name
of the LORD.
יְהוָֽה׃ (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel
- And it is everywhere in Biblehub
- the name of the LORD (Yah.weh) – the proper name of the God of Israel !
- There is nothing to discuss !
Somebody says :
Since you have no idea what you're talking about, I agree that there is nothing to discuss. YHWH is not God's name! It is the tetragrammaton representing "I am that I am". It was/is never meant to be pronounced.
I will repeat...
The King James translation is NOT "the original". There were translations prior to 1611, including the Tyndale, the Geneva, and others. And there are translations afterwards that are better.
There is no basis for saying that "the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!" No translation has ever taken away God's name!
End of discussing this with you!
Since you have no idea what you're talking about, I agree that there is nothing to discuss. YHWH is not God's name! It is the tetragrammaton representing "I am that I am". It was/is never meant to be pronounced.
I will repeat...
The King James translation is NOT "the original". There were translations prior to 1611, including the Tyndale, the Geneva, and others. And there are translations afterwards that are better.
There is no basis for saying that "the majority of translations have taken away God's name, the majority are bad translations!" No translation has ever taken away God's name!
End of discussing this with you!
- That’s a perfect ignorance of the first part of the Bible !
- It’s the usual opposition of Judaism against Yah.weh !
- Man’s tradition against Yah.weh’s word !
- It’s the usual nonsense translation of God’s name !
- He is the God of the promise or of the promises !
- He kept his promise and he will keep his promise !
- That’s the total negation of Exodus chapter 3 !
- Exodus 3:6
Then He said,
וַיֹּ֗אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
“I
אָנֹכִי֙ (’ā·nō·ḵî)
Pronoun - first person common singular
Strong's 595: I
am the God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your father,
אָבִ֔יךָ (’ā·ḇî·ḵā)
Noun - masculine singular construct | second person masculine singular
Strong's 1: Father
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֧י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Abraham,
אַבְרָהָ֛ם (’aḇ·rā·hām)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 85: Abraham -- 'exalted father', the father of the Jewish nation
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Isaac,
יִצְחָ֖ק (yiṣ·ḥāq)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3327: Isaac -- 'he laughs', son of Abraham and Sarah
and the God
וֵאלֹהֵ֣י (wê·lō·hê)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Jacob.”
יַעֲקֹ֑ב (ya·‘ă·qōḇ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3290: Jacob -- a son of Isaac, also his desc
- It’s the usual opposition of Judaism against Yah.weh !
- Man’s tradition against Yah.weh’s word !
- It’s the usual nonsense translation of God’s name !
- He is the God of the promise or of the promises !
- He kept his promise and he will keep his promise !
- That’s the total negation of Exodus chapter 3 !
- Exodus 3:6
Then He said,
וַיֹּ֗אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
“I
אָנֹכִי֙ (’ā·nō·ḵî)
Pronoun - first person common singular
Strong's 595: I
am the God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your father,
אָבִ֔יךָ (’ā·ḇî·ḵā)
Noun - masculine singular construct | second person masculine singular
Strong's 1: Father
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֧י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Abraham,
אַבְרָהָ֛ם (’aḇ·rā·hām)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 85: Abraham -- 'exalted father', the father of the Jewish nation
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Isaac,
יִצְחָ֖ק (yiṣ·ḥāq)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3327: Isaac -- 'he laughs', son of Abraham and Sarah
and the God
וֵאלֹהֵ֣י (wê·lō·hê)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Jacob.”
יַעֲקֹ֑ב (ya·‘ă·qōḇ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3290: Jacob -- a son of Isaac, also his desc
- Exodus 3:13 :
Then Moses
מֹשֶׁ֜ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
asked
וַיֹּ֨אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
God,
הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
“Suppose
הִנֵּ֨ה (hin·nêh)
Interjection
Strong's 2009: Lo! behold!
I
אָנֹכִ֣י (’ā·nō·ḵî)
Pronoun - first person common singular
Strong's 595: I
go
בָא֮ (ḇā)
Verb - Qal - Participle - masculine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
the Israelites
בְּנֵ֣י (bə·nê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
and say
וְאָמַרְתִּ֣י (wə·’ā·mar·tî)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - first person common singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to them,
לָהֶ֔ם (lā·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew
‘The God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your fathers
אֲבוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם (’ă·ḇō·w·ṯê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's 1: Father
has sent
שְׁלָחַ֣נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
me to you,’
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
and they ask
וְאָֽמְרוּ־ (wə·’ā·mə·rū-)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - third person common plural
Strong's 559: To utter, say
me,
לִ֣י (lî)
Preposition | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew
‘What
מַה־ (mah-)
Interrogative
Strong's 4100: What?, what!, indefinitely what
is His name?’
שְּׁמ֔וֹ (šə·mōw)
Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 8034: A name
What
מָ֥ה (māh)
Interrogative
Strong's 4100: What?, what!, indefinitely what
should I tell
אֹמַ֖ר (’ō·mar)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
them?”
אֲלֵהֶֽם׃ (’ă·lê·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
Then Moses
מֹשֶׁ֜ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
asked
וַיֹּ֨אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
God,
הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
“Suppose
הִנֵּ֨ה (hin·nêh)
Interjection
Strong's 2009: Lo! behold!
I
אָנֹכִ֣י (’ā·nō·ḵî)
Pronoun - first person common singular
Strong's 595: I
go
בָא֮ (ḇā)
Verb - Qal - Participle - masculine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
the Israelites
בְּנֵ֣י (bə·nê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
and say
וְאָמַרְתִּ֣י (wə·’ā·mar·tî)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - first person common singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to them,
לָהֶ֔ם (lā·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew
‘The God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your fathers
אֲבוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם (’ă·ḇō·w·ṯê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's 1: Father
has sent
שְׁלָחַ֣נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
me to you,’
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
and they ask
וְאָֽמְרוּ־ (wə·’ā·mə·rū-)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - third person common plural
Strong's 559: To utter, say
me,
לִ֣י (lî)
Preposition | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew
‘What
מַה־ (mah-)
Interrogative
Strong's 4100: What?, what!, indefinitely what
is His name?’
שְּׁמ֔וֹ (šə·mōw)
Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 8034: A name
What
מָ֥ה (māh)
Interrogative
Strong's 4100: What?, what!, indefinitely what
should I tell
אֹמַ֖ר (’ō·mar)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
them?”
אֲלֵהֶֽם׃ (’ă·lê·hem)
Preposition | third person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
Exodus 3:14
God
אֱלֹהִים֙ (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
said
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
Moses,
מֹשֶׁ֔ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
“I AM
אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
WHO
אֲשֶׁ֣ר (’ă·šer)
Pronoun - relative
Strong's 834: Who, which, what, that, when, where, how, because, in order that
I AM.
אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
This is what
כֹּ֤ה (kōh)
Adverb
Strong's 3541: Like this, thus, here, now
you are to say
וַיֹּ֗אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to the Israelites:
לִבְנֵ֣י (liḇ·nê)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
‘I AM
אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
has sent me
שְׁלָחַ֥נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
to you.’”
אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃ (’ă·lê·ḵem)
Preposition | second person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
God
אֱלֹהִים֙ (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
said
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
Moses,
מֹשֶׁ֔ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
“I AM
אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
WHO
אֲשֶׁ֣ר (’ă·šer)
Pronoun - relative
Strong's 834: Who, which, what, that, when, where, how, because, in order that
I AM.
אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
This is what
כֹּ֤ה (kōh)
Adverb
Strong's 3541: Like this, thus, here, now
you are to say
וַיֹּ֗אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to the Israelites:
לִבְנֵ֣י (liḇ·nê)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
‘I AM
אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה (’eh·yeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be
has sent me
שְׁלָחַ֥נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
to you.’”
אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃ (’ă·lê·ḵem)
Preposition | second person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
Exodus 3:15 :
God
אֱלֹהִ֜ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
also
ע֨וֹד (‘ō·wḏ)
Adverb
Strong's 5750: Iteration, continuance, again, repeatedly, still, more
told
וַיֹּאמֶר֩ (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
Moses,
מֹשֶׁ֗ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
“Say
תֹאמַר֮ (ṯō·mar)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
the Israelites,
בְּנֵ֣י (bə·nê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
‘The LORD,
יְהוָ֞ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your fathers—
אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם (’ă·ḇō·ṯê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's 1: Father
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֨י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Abraham,
אַבְרָהָ֜ם (’aḇ·rā·hām)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 85: Abraham -- 'exalted father', the father of the Jewish nation
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Isaac,
יִצְחָ֛ק (yiṣ·ḥāq)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3327: Isaac -- 'he laughs', son of Abraham and Sarah
and the God
וֵאלֹהֵ֥י (wê·lō·hê)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Jacob—
יַעֲקֹ֖ב (ya·‘ă·qōḇ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3290: Jacob -- a son of Isaac, also his desc
has sent
שְׁלָחַ֣נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
me to you.’
אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם (’ă·lê·ḵem)
Preposition | second person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
This
זֶה־ (zeh-)
Pronoun - masculine singular
Strong's 2088: This, that
is My name
שְּׁמִ֣י (šə·mî)
Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular
Strong's 8034: A name
forever,
לְעֹלָ֔ם (lə·‘ō·lām)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 5769: Concealed, eternity, frequentatively, always
and this
וְזֶ֥ה (wə·zeh)
Conjunctive waw | Pronoun - masculine singular
Strong's 2088: This, that
is how I am to be remembered
זִכְרִ֖י (ziḵ·rî)
Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular
Strong's 2143: A memento, recollection, commemoration
in every generation.
לְדֹ֥ר (lə·ḏōr)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1755: A revolution of time, an age, generation, a dwelling
YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.
- WHAT A SHAME !
God
אֱלֹהִ֜ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
also
ע֨וֹד (‘ō·wḏ)
Adverb
Strong's 5750: Iteration, continuance, again, repeatedly, still, more
told
וַיֹּאמֶר֩ (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
Moses,
מֹשֶׁ֗ה (mō·šeh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 4872: Moses -- a great Israelite leader, prophet and lawgiver
“Say
תֹאמַר֮ (ṯō·mar)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
the Israelites,
בְּנֵ֣י (bə·nê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 1121: A son
‘The LORD,
יְהוָ֞ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֣י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of your fathers—
אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם (’ă·ḇō·ṯê·ḵem)
Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine plural
Strong's 1: Father
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֨י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Abraham,
אַבְרָהָ֜ם (’aḇ·rā·hām)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 85: Abraham -- 'exalted father', the father of the Jewish nation
the God
אֱלֹהֵ֥י (’ĕ·lō·hê)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Isaac,
יִצְחָ֛ק (yiṣ·ḥāq)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3327: Isaac -- 'he laughs', son of Abraham and Sarah
and the God
וֵאלֹהֵ֥י (wê·lō·hê)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative
of Jacob—
יַעֲקֹ֖ב (ya·‘ă·qōḇ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3290: Jacob -- a son of Isaac, also his desc
has sent
שְׁלָחַ֣נִי (šə·lā·ḥa·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's 7971: To send away, for, out
me to you.’
אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם (’ă·lê·ḵem)
Preposition | second person masculine plural
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to
This
זֶה־ (zeh-)
Pronoun - masculine singular
Strong's 2088: This, that
is My name
שְּׁמִ֣י (šə·mî)
Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular
Strong's 8034: A name
forever,
לְעֹלָ֔ם (lə·‘ō·lām)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 5769: Concealed, eternity, frequentatively, always
and this
וְזֶ֥ה (wə·zeh)
Conjunctive waw | Pronoun - masculine singular
Strong's 2088: This, that
is how I am to be remembered
זִכְרִ֖י (ziḵ·rî)
Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular
Strong's 2143: A memento, recollection, commemoration
in every generation.
לְדֹ֥ר (lə·ḏōr)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1755: A revolution of time, an age, generation, a dwelling
YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.
- WHAT A SHAME !
Someone says :
I understand your reply and what you are saying and do agree with most everything you said.
you quote a couple bible verses about
no divorcing……….. and staying faithfully married to a spouse…………..
and you mention details about sins of Lamech David, Solomon and mention how Jacob was tricked - you are mentioning Gideon also.
please realize that my post was not attempting to claim that any of the scriptures I presented are saying that divorce is something biblical nor that divorce - is ok with God
I never stated this, -
a husband and his multiple wives whom are truly { each one of them } indeed " united "…… each one of the wives are joined flesh, united with their husband. I also never attempted to say that that they should depart from the marriage when they consent to add another new wife.
Can you please explain why you would doubt my faith that divorce is against God’s plan ? or why you would doubt my faith that a man and his multiple wives are united / joined flesh. The Lord Jesus himself continually reminds us of the same unity / unification, in that himself and all of his bride composed of many multiple believers are all in unity / unification / united.
I can appreciate the examples that you had present, however, please recall that even Adam and Eve who were the only man and woman on earth and united in a monogamy relationship - they both, in their monogamy caused the downfall of the human race for the last 6000 years.
Adam and Eve were in a life where monogamy was at its most powerful and potent form and existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, monogamy was then in its strongest and most powerful form that has ever existed. And still their decision to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’s commandment was not prevented by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition of being monogamous.
but then your translation says - 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Your statements resembles and truly reminds me of a conversation that I had with a Roman Catholic friend whom - my Catholic friend as defending the claim how that Mother Mary was sinless because she was born without the sex act, )* in other words Mary was conceived without the act of sexual intercourse - Immaculate Conception !
The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary, the mother of Christ, was conceived without sin and her conception was immaculate and not through a sexual act.
Mary’s mother was a virgin. - - - - BUT, if not having sex will make an individual potentially closer to God - as Roman Catholics believe, this did not help Adam and Eve who were also not even born from a sexual conception.
Both Adam and Eve were neither born from a sexual act. They were created and given life and there was no sex, NO BIRTH involved in their creation. - Adam and Eve were Immaculately Created. Yet even though Adam and Eve both had never had sex themselves and they were not born or created from a sexual act _ and THEY WERE NOT EVEN BORN FROM A HUMAN WOMAN - _
this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin. this did nothing for them.
Don't you think that it is foolishness, This entire concept absolutely has no value or meaning in the BIble.
Yet, even though Adam and Eve both had never had sex and they were not born or created from a another human _ this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin. This did nothing for them, Cain who never had committed a sex act in his life, Cain had never married or had relationship with a woman, yet, he brutally murdered his own innocent brother.
SO……. when we look at characters such as - Adam, Joseph, Isaac and Noah or Elijah or Paul and Peter - and others who lived in an evil and defiled environment with a very narrow and limited potential for adding multiple Godly wives, they were only able to find a single women after waiting for many, many years. This is not necessarily due to the fact that they personally chose and self determined to live a monogamous marriage situation, God was not commanding this, but the fact is, these monogamous men were living in marriage situations were at this point of situation and circumstance and location and time and where they lived, the environment around them, they simply did not have opportunity to have multiple wives who were Godly women. They had to wait many years just to find one good and Godly woman to marry.
Noah had his sons at the age of 500 years old, everyone around Noah were wicked and perverted and evil - Joseph, he lived among pagan women and married the daughter of a pagan priest in Egypt,
we do not even know if Asenath his Egyptian wife stayed committed to Joseph - there is so much that is assumed and injected and inserted with not a single strand of Biblical, Scriptural foundation, it's truth seems to be determined to be truth - based upon how much we can distract and sway the conversation away from the evident facts that I present.
But I enjoy discussing these realities with you, thanks for your friendly reply.
I understand your reply and what you are saying and do agree with most everything you said.
you quote a couple bible verses about
no divorcing……….. and staying faithfully married to a spouse…………..
and you mention details about sins of Lamech David, Solomon and mention how Jacob was tricked - you are mentioning Gideon also.
please realize that my post was not attempting to claim that any of the scriptures I presented are saying that divorce is something biblical nor that divorce - is ok with God
I never stated this, -
a husband and his multiple wives whom are truly { each one of them } indeed " united "…… each one of the wives are joined flesh, united with their husband. I also never attempted to say that that they should depart from the marriage when they consent to add another new wife.
Can you please explain why you would doubt my faith that divorce is against God’s plan ? or why you would doubt my faith that a man and his multiple wives are united / joined flesh. The Lord Jesus himself continually reminds us of the same unity / unification, in that himself and all of his bride composed of many multiple believers are all in unity / unification / united.
I can appreciate the examples that you had present, however, please recall that even Adam and Eve who were the only man and woman on earth and united in a monogamy relationship - they both, in their monogamy caused the downfall of the human race for the last 6000 years.
Adam and Eve were in a life where monogamy was at its most powerful and potent form and existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, monogamy was then in its strongest and most powerful form that has ever existed. And still their decision to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’s commandment was not prevented by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition of being monogamous.
1Co 6:16
η Or - ουκ not - οιδατε you knew - οτι that - ο he - κολλωμενος that is joined
τη the - πορνη harlot - εν IN - σωμα body, , - εστιν it is - εσονται them who
- γαρ for - φησιν it is said - οι that - δυο two - εις into - σαρκα flesh - μιαν united
η Or - ουκ not - οιδατε you knew - οτι that - ο he - κολλωμενος that is joined
τη the - πορνη harlot - εν IN - σωμα body, , - εστιν it is - εσονται them who
- γαρ for - φησιν it is said - οι that - δυο two - εις into - σαρκα flesh - μιαν united
but then your translation says - 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Your statements resembles and truly reminds me of a conversation that I had with a Roman Catholic friend whom - my Catholic friend as defending the claim how that Mother Mary was sinless because she was born without the sex act, )* in other words Mary was conceived without the act of sexual intercourse - Immaculate Conception !
The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary, the mother of Christ, was conceived without sin and her conception was immaculate and not through a sexual act.
Mary’s mother was a virgin. - - - - BUT, if not having sex will make an individual potentially closer to God - as Roman Catholics believe, this did not help Adam and Eve who were also not even born from a sexual conception.
Both Adam and Eve were neither born from a sexual act. They were created and given life and there was no sex, NO BIRTH involved in their creation. - Adam and Eve were Immaculately Created. Yet even though Adam and Eve both had never had sex themselves and they were not born or created from a sexual act _ and THEY WERE NOT EVEN BORN FROM A HUMAN WOMAN - _
this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin. this did nothing for them.
Don't you think that it is foolishness, This entire concept absolutely has no value or meaning in the BIble.
Yet, even though Adam and Eve both had never had sex and they were not born or created from a another human _ this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin. This did nothing for them, Cain who never had committed a sex act in his life, Cain had never married or had relationship with a woman, yet, he brutally murdered his own innocent brother.
SO……. when we look at characters such as - Adam, Joseph, Isaac and Noah or Elijah or Paul and Peter - and others who lived in an evil and defiled environment with a very narrow and limited potential for adding multiple Godly wives, they were only able to find a single women after waiting for many, many years. This is not necessarily due to the fact that they personally chose and self determined to live a monogamous marriage situation, God was not commanding this, but the fact is, these monogamous men were living in marriage situations were at this point of situation and circumstance and location and time and where they lived, the environment around them, they simply did not have opportunity to have multiple wives who were Godly women. They had to wait many years just to find one good and Godly woman to marry.
Noah had his sons at the age of 500 years old, everyone around Noah were wicked and perverted and evil - Joseph, he lived among pagan women and married the daughter of a pagan priest in Egypt,
we do not even know if Asenath his Egyptian wife stayed committed to Joseph - there is so much that is assumed and injected and inserted with not a single strand of Biblical, Scriptural foundation, it's truth seems to be determined to be truth - based upon how much we can distract and sway the conversation away from the evident facts that I present.
But I enjoy discussing these realities with you, thanks for your friendly reply.
- My answer :
- First of all, thank you for your participation !
- I am not used to having messages on CTZ !
- I particularly appreciate the quality of your arguments !
- In fact, I didn’t know you had sent two messages !
- So i onjly read the second one !
- I will start with the last one !
- If you look carefully, you will see that the divorce has nothing to do with you !
- I was answering the message of somebody’s else !
- It was necessary to speak about what Jesus thinks about the subject !
- And the fact there is no difference between what Yah.weh says and what Jesus says !
- You are completely right when you speak about Adam and Eve !
- Because Adam chose to follow his wife and eat the fruit !
- Because he didn’t want to lose her !
- If he hadn’t eaten the fruit, he could have had another woman and would have kept perfect !
- And the same for mankind !
- I don’t know why some assimilate eating the fruit with having sex !
- Of course, there is no difference between animals and human beings !
- To have children, they need to have sex !
- The Bible says Noah was 500 when he had children !
- It doesn’t say anything about sex or when he started having sex !
- When we look at Genesis 5, we are told that Adam became father of Seth when he was 130 but he had children before !
- If i use Biblehub, it’s only because it is an interlinear and you get a dictionary at the same time and they put God’s name in parenthesis (it’s better than nothing) !
- I have nothing to say about the translation !
- I want to be able to get the words in Hebrew and Greek !
- Then if I want to check, I can go wherever I want !
- Mary was a normal woman and itb was the same with her husband !
- She gets Jesus because of Yah.weh !
- But after that, she had sex with Joseph !
- And they had children !
- First of all, thank you for your participation !
- I am not used to having messages on CTZ !
- I particularly appreciate the quality of your arguments !
- In fact, I didn’t know you had sent two messages !
- So i onjly read the second one !
- I will start with the last one !
- If you look carefully, you will see that the divorce has nothing to do with you !
- I was answering the message of somebody’s else !
- It was necessary to speak about what Jesus thinks about the subject !
- And the fact there is no difference between what Yah.weh says and what Jesus says !
- You are completely right when you speak about Adam and Eve !
- Because Adam chose to follow his wife and eat the fruit !
- Because he didn’t want to lose her !
- If he hadn’t eaten the fruit, he could have had another woman and would have kept perfect !
- And the same for mankind !
- I don’t know why some assimilate eating the fruit with having sex !
- Of course, there is no difference between animals and human beings !
- To have children, they need to have sex !
- The Bible says Noah was 500 when he had children !
- It doesn’t say anything about sex or when he started having sex !
- When we look at Genesis 5, we are told that Adam became father of Seth when he was 130 but he had children before !
- If i use Biblehub, it’s only because it is an interlinear and you get a dictionary at the same time and they put God’s name in parenthesis (it’s better than nothing) !
- I have nothing to say about the translation !
- I want to be able to get the words in Hebrew and Greek !
- Then if I want to check, I can go wherever I want !
- Mary was a normal woman and itb was the same with her husband !
- She gets Jesus because of Yah.weh !
- But after that, she had sex with Joseph !
- And they had children !
Somebody says :
I was reading the very wonderful stories of the Bible posted by - " JLC " such great stories, especially the descriptive way that JLC details the events laid out in God’s word.
If we can go back to the post “ # 17 “ - about Sarai having no children, and Sarai telling Abram to have relations with her servant Agar to bear the promised, prophesied seed.
But how is this in any way reminiscent or reminding and simulating the situation of Elkanah, Samuel’s father and his two wives ! Can you please explain a little about why you believe that Abram and Sarai were making things “ more complicated! -
Or how they and also even Samuels father Elkanah and his wife Hannah were behaving really strange, strange , bizarre, weird or had made “ wrong “ decisions, also, how is their action especially opposing, resisting, combating or struggling and conflicting with God!
The Catholic and Protestant translations do depict this exact narrative, to cast polygamy marriage in a negative malevolence and as an evil and destructive marriage situation, however, these translations are changing and altering the manuscripts and changing what the Manuscripts are saying in their originality.
FOR EXAMPLE , - - if we go to Lev 18:18 The Catholic Douay Rheims translation
:18 Thou shalt not take thy wife's sister for a harlot, to rival her: neither shalt
thou discover her nakedness, while she is yet living.
The Jerome Latin Vulgate
:18 You shall not take your wife’s sister as a rival mistress; nor shall you uncover her nakedness, while your wife is still living.
The Protestant translations
:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness,
beside the other in her life time.
We can see that all three of these mainstream translations somewhat differ in that one translation labels “ added polygamy wives “ - as harlots, prostitutes or hookers or perverted sexually immoral hussies,, who are rivals, opponent, challengers, enemies, and competitors with one another, - another translation, as mistresses which means ´” a sexual-intercourse with a man who is not her husband ”´
But let’s look at the original manuscripts. ”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”
ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -
לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her nakedness -
עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.
:18 meaning = And a woman with her sister do not take
them gathered / them bundled, to uncover her nakedness upon her in her life.
The Hebrew word - לצרר means = them gathered / them bundled -
this Hebrew word only appears “ ONE SINGLE TIME “ in the manuscripts as a third person pronoun, - representing ancient Hebrew
You can go to every single one of these total “ 16 “ online translation websites, you will find that the Hebrew word - לצרר means = to gather / to bundle -
AND NOT TO VEX OR TORMENT
1 https://translate.google.com
2 - 3 Strong's Hebrew: 6887. צָרַר (tsarar) -- adversary
4 doitinHebrew.com - The Talking Online Hebrew Dictionary and Translation Engine. Learn how to say just about anything in Hebrew.
5 Translate Hebrew to English online | Translate.com
6 Morfix Translation - Free Hebrew English Dictionary
7 Hebrew to English Translation Online
8 Hebrew/English Translation in One Step or Translating between Hebrew/Yiddish and English in One Step
9 Translator from Hebrew into English | PROMT.One free online dictionary and text translation
10 Bing Microsoft Translator
11 FREE Hebrew to English translation online
12 https://translatiz.com/translation/hebrew-to-english
13 https://webtranslation.paralink.com/Hebrew-English-Translation/
14 https://translation2.paralink.com/Hebrew-English-Translation/
15 https://www.stars21.com/translator/hebrew_to_english.html
16 https://www.translator.eu/english/hebrew/translation/
The passage was explaining that relatives and family members, kin, “ blood / DNA related people “ were simply not supposed to be having children together and reproducing sexually with family members
As if - the wholesale acts of fathers having sex with their daughter - or grand - parents having sex with their grandchildren , this would not VEX and torment and cause distress ? BUT the passage is not detailing the context of personal FEELINGS and WAYS OF THINKING and ATTITUDES about sexual relationships, it is specifically dedicated to the describing the negative effects of crossbreeding, inbreeding, hereditary deformities - PROFANE DEFILED GENETIC incest - inborn births that cause disease and birth defects, stillbirths, infant mortality and a shorter life expectancy. children with severe diseases and disorders - that the land itself vomits out her defiled and polluted inhabitants.
The passage concluded the description of the situation of Genetic DNA Pollution and Confusion
Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
the souls that commit this shall be cut off from among their people
Lev 18: 6 - 16 - Commands The Hebrews
To not have sexual intercourse with their relatives,
Daughters with fathers
Sons with mothers
Brothers with sisters - - half brother and half sister
Uncles with nieces
Aunts with nephews
Your brothers or your sisters - husband or wife
Grandparents with grandchildren
A wife with her sister _ together in marriage.
:17 the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, ; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
:19 a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
:20 with thy neighbor’s wife, - to defile thyself with her.
EVEN IN A BIBLICAL MARRIAGE SYSTEM - WHERE PLURAL / POLYGAMY MARRIAGE WAS HOLY AND righteous in the eyes of God, a situation where relatives / blood related sisters who were married to the same man, this was also problematic, dangerous and damaging, leading to near future birth defects and weakening the society.
”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”
ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -
לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her
nakedness - עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.
The passage could have easily clearly, clearly, plainly, unmistakably and perfectly commanded that a man is forbidden from having multiple wives in polygamy / plural marriage, but the subject was about defilement of the DNA, genetic codes, diseases, deformities and weakening of society by related sisters being married and mass producing / creating offspring from one man . Having multiple numerous plural wives was never the abomination, defilement, evil and never the problem in the passage and never in the entire Bible is this mentioned as a problem for the God of the Bible.
There was something about related sisters sharing the seed or ***** of one single man that caused blood problems when producing offspring / life. The passage was not about condemning imaginations of VEXATION and ABUSE and TORMENT and HORROR and ANGUISH and distress about two sisters forced to marry the same man in polygamy marriage. In fact, for the last - 2500 years - the Hebrews had been marrying their relatives already , multiple sisters married to one man, daughters reproducing with their fathers, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, Cain and Seth married many of their very own sisters.
I was reading the very wonderful stories of the Bible posted by - " JLC " such great stories, especially the descriptive way that JLC details the events laid out in God’s word.
If we can go back to the post “ # 17 “ - about Sarai having no children, and Sarai telling Abram to have relations with her servant Agar to bear the promised, prophesied seed.
But how is this in any way reminiscent or reminding and simulating the situation of Elkanah, Samuel’s father and his two wives ! Can you please explain a little about why you believe that Abram and Sarai were making things “ more complicated! -
Or how they and also even Samuels father Elkanah and his wife Hannah were behaving really strange, strange , bizarre, weird or had made “ wrong “ decisions, also, how is their action especially opposing, resisting, combating or struggling and conflicting with God!
The Catholic and Protestant translations do depict this exact narrative, to cast polygamy marriage in a negative malevolence and as an evil and destructive marriage situation, however, these translations are changing and altering the manuscripts and changing what the Manuscripts are saying in their originality.
FOR EXAMPLE , - - if we go to Lev 18:18 The Catholic Douay Rheims translation
:18 Thou shalt not take thy wife's sister for a harlot, to rival her: neither shalt
thou discover her nakedness, while she is yet living.
The Jerome Latin Vulgate
:18 You shall not take your wife’s sister as a rival mistress; nor shall you uncover her nakedness, while your wife is still living.
The Protestant translations
:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness,
beside the other in her life time.
We can see that all three of these mainstream translations somewhat differ in that one translation labels “ added polygamy wives “ - as harlots, prostitutes or hookers or perverted sexually immoral hussies,, who are rivals, opponent, challengers, enemies, and competitors with one another, - another translation, as mistresses which means ´” a sexual-intercourse with a man who is not her husband ”´
But let’s look at the original manuscripts. ”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”
ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -
לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her nakedness -
עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.
:18 meaning = And a woman with her sister do not take
them gathered / them bundled, to uncover her nakedness upon her in her life.
The Hebrew word - לצרר means = them gathered / them bundled -
this Hebrew word only appears “ ONE SINGLE TIME “ in the manuscripts as a third person pronoun, - representing ancient Hebrew
You can go to every single one of these total “ 16 “ online translation websites, you will find that the Hebrew word - לצרר means = to gather / to bundle -
AND NOT TO VEX OR TORMENT
1 https://translate.google.com
2 - 3 Strong's Hebrew: 6887. צָרַר (tsarar) -- adversary
4 doitinHebrew.com - The Talking Online Hebrew Dictionary and Translation Engine. Learn how to say just about anything in Hebrew.
5 Translate Hebrew to English online | Translate.com
6 Morfix Translation - Free Hebrew English Dictionary
7 Hebrew to English Translation Online
8 Hebrew/English Translation in One Step or Translating between Hebrew/Yiddish and English in One Step
9 Translator from Hebrew into English | PROMT.One free online dictionary and text translation
10 Bing Microsoft Translator
11 FREE Hebrew to English translation online
12 https://translatiz.com/translation/hebrew-to-english
13 https://webtranslation.paralink.com/Hebrew-English-Translation/
14 https://translation2.paralink.com/Hebrew-English-Translation/
15 https://www.stars21.com/translator/hebrew_to_english.html
16 https://www.translator.eu/english/hebrew/translation/
The passage was explaining that relatives and family members, kin, “ blood / DNA related people “ were simply not supposed to be having children together and reproducing sexually with family members
As if - the wholesale acts of fathers having sex with their daughter - or grand - parents having sex with their grandchildren , this would not VEX and torment and cause distress ? BUT the passage is not detailing the context of personal FEELINGS and WAYS OF THINKING and ATTITUDES about sexual relationships, it is specifically dedicated to the describing the negative effects of crossbreeding, inbreeding, hereditary deformities - PROFANE DEFILED GENETIC incest - inborn births that cause disease and birth defects, stillbirths, infant mortality and a shorter life expectancy. children with severe diseases and disorders - that the land itself vomits out her defiled and polluted inhabitants.
The passage concluded the description of the situation of Genetic DNA Pollution and Confusion
Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
the souls that commit this shall be cut off from among their people
Lev 18: 6 - 16 - Commands The Hebrews
To not have sexual intercourse with their relatives,
Daughters with fathers
Sons with mothers
Brothers with sisters - - half brother and half sister
Uncles with nieces
Aunts with nephews
Your brothers or your sisters - husband or wife
Grandparents with grandchildren
A wife with her sister _ together in marriage.
:17 the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, ; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
:19 a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
:20 with thy neighbor’s wife, - to defile thyself with her.
EVEN IN A BIBLICAL MARRIAGE SYSTEM - WHERE PLURAL / POLYGAMY MARRIAGE WAS HOLY AND righteous in the eyes of God, a situation where relatives / blood related sisters who were married to the same man, this was also problematic, dangerous and damaging, leading to near future birth defects and weakening the society.
”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”
ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -
לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her
nakedness - עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.
The passage could have easily clearly, clearly, plainly, unmistakably and perfectly commanded that a man is forbidden from having multiple wives in polygamy / plural marriage, but the subject was about defilement of the DNA, genetic codes, diseases, deformities and weakening of society by related sisters being married and mass producing / creating offspring from one man . Having multiple numerous plural wives was never the abomination, defilement, evil and never the problem in the passage and never in the entire Bible is this mentioned as a problem for the God of the Bible.
There was something about related sisters sharing the seed or ***** of one single man that caused blood problems when producing offspring / life. The passage was not about condemning imaginations of VEXATION and ABUSE and TORMENT and HORROR and ANGUISH and distress about two sisters forced to marry the same man in polygamy marriage. In fact, for the last - 2500 years - the Hebrews had been marrying their relatives already , multiple sisters married to one man, daughters reproducing with their fathers, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, Cain and Seth married many of their very own sisters.
My answer :
- Thanks for indicating the post !
- The precision helps a lot !
- Thanks also for the precision of the elements you give !
- Well, Sarah and Agar, on the one hand, Elkanah’s two wives, on the other hand !
- In fact, one man, two wives !
- It would be the same with one woman, two men !
- That’s natural competition !
- Same with children !
- Same with animals !
- Once again, I am just refering to what Yah.weh says in the beginning that is one man and one woman !
- And Jesus says exactly the same in the gospels !
- Now it is true that Yah.weh tolerated men having several women !
- But it meant problems because of natural competition !
- And once again it was to maintain the descendants !
- When giving birth, many women used to die !
- And same for children !
- But straight away after creation men started to deviate from Yah.weh’s commandments !
- And it was the same with Israel, Judah and mankind !
- And it will be the same till the coming of Yah.weh’s kingdom !
- Thanks for indicating the post !
- The precision helps a lot !
- Thanks also for the precision of the elements you give !
- Well, Sarah and Agar, on the one hand, Elkanah’s two wives, on the other hand !
- In fact, one man, two wives !
- It would be the same with one woman, two men !
- That’s natural competition !
- Same with children !
- Same with animals !
- Once again, I am just refering to what Yah.weh says in the beginning that is one man and one woman !
- And Jesus says exactly the same in the gospels !
- Now it is true that Yah.weh tolerated men having several women !
- But it meant problems because of natural competition !
- And once again it was to maintain the descendants !
- When giving birth, many women used to die !
- And same for children !
- But straight away after creation men started to deviate from Yah.weh’s commandments !
- And it was the same with Israel, Judah and mankind !
- And it will be the same till the coming of Yah.weh’s kingdom !
__________________________________________________________________________
EXODUS 3:15
YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.
__________________________________________________________________________
Jesus had siblings :
- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!
__________________________________________________________________________
Remember:
Remember:
Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.
This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.
Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.
__________________________________________________________________________
EXODUS 3:15
YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.
__________________________________________________________________________
Jesus had siblings :
- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!
__________________________________________________________________________
Remember:
- If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
- They used to write differently!
- They used to speak differently!
- They used to think differently!
- They used to act differently!
Remember:
Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.
This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
- Point of time (a specific day)
- time period of a whole or half a day:
- General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
- A year "lived a lot of days"
- Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"
The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.
Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.
__________________________________________________________________________
28) Cold or Hot Anger?
- In Numbers 16, we are told about the rebellion of Korah, Dathan and Abiram!
- They oppose Moses with 250 prominent men!
- They have enough of Moses and Aaron!
- So Moses tells them that Yah.weh will make known who belongs to him!
- All must take fire holders with fire and incense!
- The next morning Yah.weh wants to exterminate all the israelites!
- But because of Moses, the assembly must separate from the rebel leaders!
- Then the earth opens and swallows the three rebels and their families!
- And a fire consumes the 250 men!
Did Jesus have siblings ?
Somebody says :
The Bible speaks of Jesus having Adelphoi. This is an interesting Greek work that is used in Scripture for brother of the same patents, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, relative, friend, fellow believer, fellow countryman, etc.
Similarly, in the Aramaic language spoken by Jesus and the NT writers, the word, “Ach”, encompasses the meanings for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman.
- In the Septuagint (Greek OT), there are several examples of this:
- In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was his nephew (Gen. 11:26–28).
- In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his uncle Laban.
Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).
As a matter of fact, in the New Testament - there are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.
Let that sink in:
The OVERWJELMING number of uses of “Adelphos” does NOT indicate a uterine sibling.
Now – what about the “named” brethren of Jesus (Matt. 13:55 , Mark 6:3)?? We find the answer in the Crucifixion narratives:
Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".
Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").
Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".
When you compare the different accounts of the Crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus [Mark 3:18]) – NOT Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.
Somebody says :
The Bible speaks of Jesus having Adelphoi. This is an interesting Greek work that is used in Scripture for brother of the same patents, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, relative, friend, fellow believer, fellow countryman, etc.
Similarly, in the Aramaic language spoken by Jesus and the NT writers, the word, “Ach”, encompasses the meanings for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman.
- In the Septuagint (Greek OT), there are several examples of this:
- In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was his nephew (Gen. 11:26–28).
- In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his uncle Laban.
Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).
As a matter of fact, in the New Testament - there are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.
Let that sink in:
The OVERWJELMING number of uses of “Adelphos” does NOT indicate a uterine sibling.
Now – what about the “named” brethren of Jesus (Matt. 13:55 , Mark 6:3)?? We find the answer in the Crucifixion narratives:
Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".
Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").
Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".
When you compare the different accounts of the Crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus [Mark 3:18]) – NOT Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.
- My answer :
- First of all, I must paste the small paragraphs about the difference between biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek I usually put first when I send a message !
- In fact, there is a huge difference between the two languages !
- 8,000 words in biblical Hebrew and 138,607 words in biblical Greek !
- Biblical Hebrew is very limited whereas biblical Greek has about 17 times more words !
- And Greek is one of the richest language in the world !
- And modern Greek is more limited than ancient Greek !
________________________________________________________________________________
Remember:
Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.
This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.
Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.
- First of all, I must paste the small paragraphs about the difference between biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek I usually put first when I send a message !
- In fact, there is a huge difference between the two languages !
- 8,000 words in biblical Hebrew and 138,607 words in biblical Greek !
- Biblical Hebrew is very limited whereas biblical Greek has about 17 times more words !
- And Greek is one of the richest language in the world !
- And modern Greek is more limited than ancient Greek !
________________________________________________________________________________
Remember:
Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.
This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.
Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:
- Point of time (a specific day)
- time period of a whole or half a day:
- General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
- A year "lived a lot of days"
- Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"
The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.
Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.
- Let’s start with the book of Matthew !
- In Matthew chapter 1, we are told about Jesus’ genealogy !
- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)
- Matthew 1:2
Jacob (Iakob) the father (egennesen) of Judah (Ioudan) and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- Matthew 1:11
- And Josiah the father of Jeconiah and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- Matthew 1:16
- And Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband (andra) of mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ
- Matthew 1:18
- This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about : His mother (metros) Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together (convene, depart in company with, associate with or cohabit) she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
- Matthew 1:19
- (Because) Joseph her (autes) husband (aner), a righteous man, was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly (secretly).
- Matthew 1:24
When Joseph woke up he did as the angel of (the) Lord had commanded him, and embraced (to receive near, associate with oneself) (Mary as) his (autou) wife (gynaika).
- Matthew 1:25
- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.
CONCLUSION OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 1 :
- We have the following words :
- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)
- the father (egennesen) of
- the father (egennesen) of ... and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- the husband (andra) of
- His mother (metros)
- her (autes) husband (aner)
- his (autou) wife (gynaika)
- a Son (huion)
- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.
- Thus Joseph had no sex with Mary until she gave birth to her son meaning he was going to have sex with her after meaning he would have children with her !
- In Matthew chapter 1, we are told about Jesus’ genealogy !
- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)
- Matthew 1:2
Jacob (Iakob) the father (egennesen) of Judah (Ioudan) and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- Matthew 1:11
- And Josiah the father of Jeconiah and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- Matthew 1:16
- And Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband (andra) of mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ
- Matthew 1:18
- This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about : His mother (metros) Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together (convene, depart in company with, associate with or cohabit) she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
- Matthew 1:19
- (Because) Joseph her (autes) husband (aner), a righteous man, was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly (secretly).
- Matthew 1:24
When Joseph woke up he did as the angel of (the) Lord had commanded him, and embraced (to receive near, associate with oneself) (Mary as) his (autou) wife (gynaika).
- Matthew 1:25
- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.
CONCLUSION OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 1 :
- We have the following words :
- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)
- the father (egennesen) of
- the father (egennesen) of ... and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)
- the husband (andra) of
- His mother (metros)
- her (autes) husband (aner)
- his (autou) wife (gynaika)
- a Son (huion)
- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.
- Thus Joseph had no sex with Mary until she gave birth to her son meaning he was going to have sex with her after meaning he would have children with her !
Members Online
- Members online
- 1
- Guests online
- 223
- Total visitors
- 224
Totals may include hidden visitors.
