What Is The Mark Of The Beast?

[canada]

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON RIGHT HAND & FOREHEAD?

This is clearly visible to the observant student of Bible prophecy.

The mark is placed upon the forehead of the infant followers of the beast at their baptism and upon the forehead of the adult followers of the beast on Ash Wednesdays.

It is the Roman Catholic "sign of the cross" ... displayed by their right hand.

See David's Psalm 144 regarding his comment about the right hand.

BEAST IMAGE AND MARK = 144
MARK OF THE BEAST = 144
THE BRAND OF ROME = 144
PETER THE BEAST = 144
PETER'S CHURCH = 144
SIGN OF CROSS = 144

SIGN IN THE NET = 144

What is God’s purpose for the sign in the net ... 153 and why is it that Peter is associated with the counting? John 21

Other than Satan himself, who else did Jesus address as Satan?
See Matt 16:23 Mark 8:33

APPLY WISDOM = 153
A NUMBERING SIGN = 153

NUMERIC PROOF = 153
TO REVEAL SATAN = 153

COUNT THE BEAST = 153
THE GREAT ***** = 153

THE IMAGE OF PETER = 153

Rev 13:18 does not state the language or gematria to be used to "count the number".
Gematria is not some form of satanic numerology. In it's pure form, it is simply a letter used as a number.

LETTER NUMBER = 153

The word gematria comes from the Greek "geometria" which has the meaning
"earth measures". See Rev 21 regarding the "measuring" of the wall of 144 cubits.

EARTH MEASURES = 153

These numeric examples use simple English gematria ... a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.

I was once asked … what is the gematria of the word gematria?

JESUS = 74
JEWISH = 74
MESSIAH = 74

SIMPLE = 74
ENGLISH = 74
GEMATRIA = 74

 

[farout]

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON RIGHT HAND & FOREHEAD?


This is clearly visible to the observant student of Bible prophecy.
The mark is placed upon the forehead of the infant followers of the beast at their baptism and upon the forehead of the adult followers of the beast on Ash Wednesdays.

It is the Roman Catholic "sign of the cross" ... displayed by their right hand.

See David's Psalm 144 regarding his comment about the right hand.

BEAST IMAGE AND MARK = 144
MARK OF THE BEAST = 144
THE BRAND OF ROME = 144
PETER THE BEAST = 144
PETER'S CHURCH = 144
SIGN OF CROSS = 144

SIGN IN THE NET = 144

What is God’s purpose for the sign in the net ... 153 and why is it that Peter is associated with the counting? John 21

Other than Satan himself, who else did Jesus address as Satan?
See Matt 16:23 Mark 8:33

APPLY WISDOM = 153
A NUMBERING SIGN = 153

NUMERIC PROOF = 153
TO REVEAL SATAN = 153

COUNT THE BEAST = 153
THE GREAT ***** = 153

THE IMAGE OF PETER = 153

Rev 13:18 does not state the language or gematria to be used to "count the number".
Gematria is not some form of satanic numerology. In it's pure form, it is simply
a letter used as a number.

LETTER NUMBER = 153

The word gematria comes from the Greek "geometria" which has the meaning
"earth measures". See Rev 21 regarding the "measuring" of the wall of 144 cubits.

EARTH MEASURES = 153

These numeric examples use simple English gematria ... a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.

I was once asked … what is the gematria of the word gematria?

JESUS = 74
JEWISH = 74
MESSIAH = 74

SIMPLE = 74
ENGLISH = 74
GEMATRIA = 74

I can't follow all the numbers, what do they mean?

 

[canada]

Farout ... 144, 153 and 666 would be considered "prophetic numbers".

These signs or numbers only have meaning for students of prophecy.
It is not a subject for everyone, but if interested, you could start with:

Rev 13:18 ... the "counting" of the 666 beast.

153 is found in John 21:11 where Jesus told them to cast their net on the "right" side, and Peter was associated with the "counting".

As you know, "Peter" represents the papacy and each pope is considered to be "Peter" and the head of that church. The Protestant Reformers considered the papacy to be the 666 beast.
That is a dreadful no-no among most Protestants today.

The 144 thousands (of Rev 14) with the unusual "new song" that is not understood by most, immediately follow the counting of the 666 beast.

144 is also found in Rev 21:17 in regard to the "wall" around God's mystical city ... 144 cubits. I did not mention this in my post but CUBITS = 74 ... as does Jesus and the other numeric examples of 74.

Revelation 13 makes mention of the "mark of the beast" on right hand.
David in Psalm 144 also speaks about a new song and notes the right hand of falsehood ... this is repeated, which may indicate some significance for those that notice details in God's Word.

Some may consider these signs to be "coincidence" ... I do not.

 

[DHC]

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON RIGHT HAND & FOREHEAD?


This is clearly visible to the observant student of Bible prophecy.
The mark is placed upon the forehead of the infant followers of the beast at their baptism and upon the forehead of the adult followers of the beast on Ash Wednesdays.

It is the Roman Catholic "sign of the cross" ... displayed by their right hand.

See David's Psalm 144 regarding his comment about the right hand.

BEAST IMAGE AND MARK = 144
MARK OF THE BEAST = 144
THE BRAND OF ROME = 144
PETER THE BEAST = 144
PETER'S CHURCH = 144
SIGN OF CROSS = 144

SIGN IN THE NET = 144

What is God’s purpose for the sign in the net ... 153 and why is it that Peter is associated with the counting? John 21

Other than Satan himself, who else did Jesus address as Satan?
See Matt 16:23 Mark 8:33

APPLY WISDOM = 153
A NUMBERING SIGN = 153

NUMERIC PROOF = 153
TO REVEAL SATAN = 153

COUNT THE BEAST = 153
THE GREAT ***** = 153

THE IMAGE OF PETER = 153

Rev 13:18 does not state the language or gematria to be used to "count the number".
Gematria is not some form of satanic numerology. In it's pure form, it is simply
a letter used as a number.

LETTER NUMBER = 153

The word gematria comes from the Greek "geometria" which has the meaning
"earth measures". See Rev 21 regarding the "measuring" of the wall of 144 cubits.

EARTH MEASURES = 153

These numeric examples use simple English gematria ... a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.

I was once asked … what is the gematria of the word gematria?

JESUS = 74
JEWISH = 74
MESSIAH = 74

SIMPLE = 74
ENGLISH = 74
GEMATRIA = 74

Hello Canada.

You stated;

The word gematria comes from the Greek "geometria" which has the meaning "earth measures".

The word 'gematria' is an Assyro-Babylonian system of numerology later adopted by Jews, which assigns numerical value to
a word or phrase. (Wikipedia)

In Jewish mysticism ( Kabbalah) gematria is a traditional system of associating numbers with Hebrew letters for the purpose of
discovering hidden meanings in words. This is accomplished by systematically associating letters with numbers and then finding other
words with similar numbers.

This is clearly the process that you are demonstrating in you post. Looking for phrases that have a mystical association based on the
numeric calculations of the letters.

The word 'gematria' is a Hebrew word and not a Greek word Canada. Though the Hebrew word 'gematria' is believed to be derived
from the Greek word 'geometry'.

Here is an article on 'gematria' you might like to read Canada.

"Gematria" by Alan G. Hefner

The earliest record that exists of the use of Gematria is from the 8th century BC where it is written that King Sargon II of Babylon
built the wall of Khorsabad the distance of the Gematria or numerical value of his name, which was 16, 283 cubits. Gematria was
a well-known practice in the Mesopotamian area as all of the "gods" had numbers.

From Babylon its next recorded use is in Greece. This would make sense, as the history of the pagan gods show that they originated
in the Babylonian area and then their worship migrated outward to Greece, India, etc. As to how Gematria came to be used by the Hebrews,
there are two ways. While it is clearly probable that Gematria was incorporated into Judaism through Qabalah (Kabalah) during the
Babylonian captivity, the historical evidence seems to show that it did not really take hold in Judaism until the 1st century BC and is more
inclined to be used the way the Greeks used it. This would infer that while they clearly would have been exposed to it in Babylon, it really
began being utilized under the Greek influence. The Hebrews used Gematria for divination ( a major sin).

If you wan't to use a Babylonian numeric methodology to understand prophecy then do as you wish. But there will be no real revelation
available in the employment of this method.

Here is an example of the gematria you have used Canada;

THE BRAND OF ROME = 144

This is what happens when you are unable to find a suitable name for the Roman Catholic Church that actually adds up to 144.
You have been forced to use the dubious name 'The brand of Rome', which has no real meaning to anyone Canada. Perhaps
Canada, I would have left that one out as it is clearly a desperate attempt to fit a round peg in a square hole.

Peter The Beast = 144

You may have thought that the phrase 'Peter the beast' means something. Well might I say that the only meaning of this phrase
is that it adds up to 144. Peter was an apostle and not the beast. One cannot say 'Peter the beast' as it has no relevance to the
scripture. To accept this phrase and think that it in some way identifies the RCC is ridiculous Canada.

 

[Last Things]

Why do people think the bible uses a numbering system based on English?

 

[canada]

Hello DHC

Are you defending the Church Of Peter against the Reformation claims, and do you consider yourself to be a student of prophecy? Might you also be Roman Catholic?


Some within Protestantism state that church is the “great harlot”.
Do you agree with that? Short answer please DHC

Do you believe the numeric examples I provided summing at 74 (Jesus Jewish Messiah simple English gematria) are designed or merely coincidence? Short answer please DHC


Roman numerals are a form of gematria.

The original 6 Roman numerals (I V X L C D) sum at … 666


Do you believe this to be “coincidence” DHC?

Do you deny that the followers of the Church of Rome (and others)
are identified by a sign or mark on their forehead and/or right hand?

Rev 13:18 KJV states:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.

DHC … Do you think our inspired Word is advocating (as you noted) a pagan system to determine the identification of this 666 person?

Or, do you just discount this wisdom passage as non-literal?

And yes, I am familiar with the wall of Khorsabad and how Kaballah and others have distorted the simplicity of a letter signifying a numeric value.

 

[DHC]

Why do people think the bible uses a numbering system based on English?

Hello Last Things.

I agree, if they used the Hebrew letters or even the Koine Greek letters they may have a point.
The English translations of which there are many, do vary in which words they use in the translations.
So this method of numerical translation would not be applicable to the English translations.

 

[Last Things]

We are very much in agreement DHC. The phrases he used seemed very much forced and awkward.

 

[canada]

Last Things ... you asked: "Why do people think the bible uses a numbering system based on English?
I would ask ... Why do people think the Bible uses a numbering system based on Hebrew or Greek?
God did not state the language to be used.

If you are a preterist or partial preterist, Hebrew or Greek may make sense to you (Nrn Qsr) but if you are a present day student of prophecy tha t may not make quite as much sense.

Simple English is A - Z ... 1 - 26.
Hebrew is from 1-400 ... Greek is from 1-800
Try using those systems for your 666 suspect. Have you (or DHC) ever done this?

Do you remember the TV character "Mr T" ... those 3 letters alone sum at over 600. "Mr Smith" would be 740. When short names such as Tom **** or Harry sum at these high numbers, it hardly makes for a reliable point of biblical identification does it.

Hey everyone, the 666 beast's name is (pick one) ... how about George?
How ridiculous ... what an identification.

The simple name "John Doe" sums at close to two thousand!
Using Greek gematria, Jesus is 888 James 833 Paul 781 Simon 1100.

DHC has not responded to my questions, so I ask of your:
Do you believe Revelation's numbered beast is past present or future?
Also, are you conversant in Hebrew? How about Greek?

I suggest you try using A=1 - Z=26. You will find it exceedingly difficult to "make" your suspect sum at 666 ... it is that difficult.

In over 30 years examining biblically described suspects (not news headline or TV suspects) only one came close to that number (he had six given names and a title) and only one did sum at 666 ... yes it is that difficult.

Try it and let me know how you make out.

 

[Last Things]

Last Things ... you asked: "Why do people think the bible uses a numbering system based on English?
I would ask ... Why do people think the Bible uses a numbering system based on Hebrew or Greek?
God did not state the language to be used.

And so you believe of all the languages that exists, existed, and will exist, God picked 19th Century-20th Century English, which emerged in an island nation thousands of miles away from the Middle East?

If you are a preterist or partial preterist, Hebrew or Greek may make sense to you (Nrn Qsr) but if you are a present day student of prophecy tha t may not make quite as much sense.

I am not sure how being preterist has anything to do with being able to read Greek, or what this has to do with anything?

Simple English is A - Z ... 1 - 26.

You are arbitrarily assuming English was the language God intended to be used (assuming God intended for us to do it at all)

Hebrew is from 1-400 ... Greek is from 1-800

What?
Where are you getting these numbers?

Do you remember the TV character "Mr T" ... those 3 letters alone sum at over 600. "Mr Smith" would be 740. When short names such as Tom **** or Harry sum at these high numbers, it hardly makes for a reliable point of biblical identification does it.

You own system does not add up that way.

Hey everyone, the 666 beast's name is (pick one) ... how about George?
How ridiculous ... what an identification.

The simple name "John Doe" sums at close to two thousand!
Using Greek gematria, Jesus is 888 James 833 Paul 781 Simon 1100.

You are not making any sense to me. If English is assigned 1-26, then Greek would have values of 1-24.
What you are apparently doing is changing the numbering system and then saying you can't use the Greek.
In Gematria, the first nine letters represent 1-9, the next nine represent 10,20,30, etc through 90. Then the last letters represent 100, 200, 300.
But in your version of Gematria, you have a different system, where a is 1 and z is 26.
So you can just as easily use Greek and do 1-24.

DHC has not responded to my questions, so I ask of your:
Do you believe Revelation's numbered beast is past present or future?

Past and likely somewhat future.

Also, are you conversant in Hebrew? How about Greek?

No, and I do not understand why one would need to be 'conversant'?

I suggest you try using A=1 - Z=26. You will find it exceedingly difficult to "make" your suspect sum at 666 ... it is that difficult.



In over 30 years examining biblically described suspects (not news headline or TV suspects) only one came close to that number (he had six given names and a title) and only one did sum at 666 ... yes it is that difficult.

You are assuming I think 666 is based on Hebrew gemantria.

 

[farout]

Last Things ... you asked: "Why do people think the bible uses a numbering system based on English?
I would ask ... Why do people think the Bible uses a numbering system based on Hebrew or Greek?
God did not state the language to be used.

If you are a preterist or partial preterist, Hebrew or Greek may make sense to you (Nrn Qsr) but if you are a present day student of prophecy tha t may not make quite as much sense.

Simple English is A - Z ... 1 - 26.
Hebrew is from 1-400 ... Greek is from 1-800
Try using those systems for your 666 suspect. Have you (or DHC) ever done this?

Do you remember the TV character "Mr T" ... those 3 letters alone sum at over 600. "Mr Smith" would be 740. When short names such as Tom **** or Harry sum at these high numbers, it hardly makes for a reliable point of biblical identification does it.

Hey everyone, the 666 beast's name is (pick one) ... how about George?
How ridiculous ... what an identification.

The simple name "John Doe" sums at close to two thousand!
Using Greek gematria, Jesus is 888 James 833 Paul 781 Simon 1100.

DHC has not responded to my questions, so I ask of your:
Do you believe Revelation's numbered beast is past present or future?
Also, are you conversant in Hebrew? How about Greek?

I suggest you try using A=1 - Z=26. You will find it exceedingly difficult to "make" your suspect sum at 666 ... it is that difficult.

In over 30 years examining biblically described suspects (not news headline or TV suspects) only one came close to that number (he had six given names and a title) and only one did sum at 666 ... yes it is that difficult.

Try it and let me know how you make out.

Thank You for explaning it. However it seems rather hard to understand.

 

[james1523]

Rev 13:17 "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. "

This mark is associated with buying and selling, it will be related to the euro currency.

The anti-christ will become head of the EU and his depiction will be placed on the Euro currency. Euro will become one world currency and no one can buy or sell without this currency.

Rev. 17 and 18 - on the Euro coins is a depiction of a woman riding a beast. The word Europe comes from Europa - a lover of Zeus from Greek mythology. To protect her from his jealous wife, Zeus appeared as a white bull who swam to safety across the ocean with Europa on his back.

 

[canada]

Last Things,

Please do not take this the wrong way, but do you consider yourself to be a student of prophecy having examined the various systems of interpretation? If not, you are not alone, as most Christians do not and are not.

I stated that Hebrew is from 1-400 and Greek is from 1 to 800.
To which, you said “What? Where are you getting these numbers”?

In Hebrew the last letter (twa) is … 400
In Greek the last letter Omega (w) is … 800

There may have been confusion for you regarding the short name examples I gave … Mr T, Mr Smith, John Doe, Paul, Simon etc
These high numeric values (1100 in the case of Simon) were either the Greek or Hebrew systems … not the simple English abc 123 etc.

I was trying to point out to you that if a single name as Paul or Simon summed as high as 1100 using Hebrew or Greek (1-400 etc) how would that be a good identification for the 666 beast? … ie his name is … Paul.

Whereas, using a=1 … through to Z=26 would require a minimum of 26 letters to arrive in the area of 666 and they would all have to be Z’s !

This makes arriving at exactly 666 extremely difficult. You will not fully realize this until you try it yourself.

The current “suspect” among futurists seems to be your president.
Try simple English and apply that to Obama using any title you may come across. Perhaps you may be able to “make” him sum at 666 using some obscure title, but I very much doubt it.

Again, you will not be convinced until you actually try to do it.
I recall several years ago that someone (using a=1 – z=26) was able to “make” Ronald Reagan sum at 666. But for any student of prophecy worth his salt, that would be ridiculous to brand Reagan as the beast.

I had asked if you thought the 666 beast was past present or future.
You answered … “past and likely somewhat future”.

I am thoroughly confused by that answer, as that puts you into two systems. For your information, there are 5 “standard” systems.
Full Preterism
Partial Preterism Historicism Futurism and Idealism

 

[Last Things]

Thank You for explaning it. However it seems rather hard to understand.

First 9 letters represent 1-9. Second 9 letters are 10,20,30,40,50,60.70.80,90, last numbers are 100, 200, 300, 400

The problem is that he has changed the system to that a = 1, b=2, c = 3, all the way down to z = 26.

It does not make sense to be believe 666 represents an English phrase or name using a completely different counting system.

 

[DHC]

Hello DHC

Are you defending the Church Of Peter against the Reformation claims, and do you consider yourself to be a student of prophecy? Might you also be Roman Catholic?


Some within Protestantism state that church is the “great harlot”.
Do you agree with that? Short answer please DHC

Do you believe the numeric examples I provided summing at 74 (Jesus Jewish Messiah simple English gematria) are designed or merely coincidence? Short answer please DHC


Roman numerals are a form of gematria.

The original 6 Roman numerals (I V X L C D) sum at … 666


Do you believe this to be “coincidence” DHC?

Do you deny that the followers of the Church of Rome (and others)
are identified by a sign or mark on their forehead and/or right hand?

Rev 13:18 KJV states:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.

DHC … Do you think our inspired Word is advocating (as you noted) a pagan system to determine the identification of this 666 person?

Or, do you just discount this wisdom passage as non-literal?

And yes, I am familiar with the wall of Khorsabad and how Kaballah and others have distorted the simplicity of a letter signifying a numeric value.

Hello Canada.

Thanks for your reply and the questions you asked.

Are you defending the Church Of Peter

The phrase that you used above, the 'Church of Peter' is not the official name of the RCC.
Catholics do not use this phrase to describe the RCC, and non Catholics do not use the phrase
either Canada. You use this phrase to refer to the Catholic Church because it adds up to 144.


You asked the question;

Are you defending the Church Of Peter against the Reformation claims

I have no affiliation with the Catholic Church and likewise no adherence to any Reformation
theology or eschatology. Subject matters that are points of debate between these two very broad
church movements are not really my concern Canada.

Do I consider myself a 'student of prophecy'?

You definitely have a very unique set of phrases that you have been taught Canada. Your question
contains the phrase 'a student of prophecy'. Your repeated usage of these phrases indicates that
your church has a unique Biblical interpretation. This interpretation is centered on a specific
reading of the scriptures and with emphasis on particular verses. In your church the eschatology
is greatly amplified, so you in effect you become a 'student of prophecy'.
I would not regard myself as a student of prophecy Canada.

Do you believe the numeric examples I provided summing at 74 is a coincidence.

'Jewish' was one of your examples that adds to 74. But the word 'Jewish' is an adjective Canada,
this word is not a noun. I still see no revelance in finding words with an English gematria of 74
or 144. What is the point of using the English translation when the language of Revelations was
Koine Greek? Probably a coincidence of little importance.

Do you deny that the followers of the Church of Rome (and others)
are identified by a sign or mark on their forehead and/or right hand?

You would need to provide the scripture that supports this hypothesis Canada.

As for the 'mark' see below Canada.

Revelations 13
15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast
would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and
the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that
no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast
or the number of his name.

It is the image of the beast that is set up for people to worship Canada.
Not the image of the Harlot that is presented for adulation, people are marked who follow the beast.
The beast and the Harlot are separate entities in the scripture, they are not the same.

Revelation 17:12
The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom,
but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will
make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

The ten horns or kings and the beast together destroy the harlot Canada.
The mark is indicative of allegiance to the beast and not the Harlot.

 

[Last Things]

Ash Wednesday is celebrated by many non-Catholic groups.

 

[Last Things]

I stated that Hebrew is from 1-400 and Greek is from 1 to 800.
To which, you said “What? Where are you getting these numbers”?

In Hebrew the last letter (twa) is … 400
In Greek the last letter Omega (w) is … 800

There may have been confusion for you regarding the short name examples I gave … Mr T, Mr Smith, John Doe, Paul, Simon etc
These high numeric values (1100 in the case of Simon) were either the Greek or Hebrew systems … not the simple English abc 123 etc.

I was trying to point out to you that if a single name as Paul or Simon summed as high as 1100 using Hebrew or Greek (1-400 etc) how would that be a good identification for the 666 beast? … ie his name is … Paul.

Whereas, using a=1 … through to Z=26 would require a minimum of 26 letters to arrive in the area of 666 and they would all have to be Z’s !

This makes arriving at exactly 666 extremely difficult. You will not fully realize this until you try it yourself.

The current “suspect” among futurists seems to be your president.
Try simple English and apply that to Obama using any title you may come across. Perhaps you may be able to “make” him sum at 666 using some obscure title, but I very much doubt it.

Again, you will not be convinced until you actually try to do it.
I recall several years ago that someone (using a=1 – z=26) was able to “make” Ronald Reagan sum at 666. But for any student of prophecy worth his salt, that would be ridiculous to brand Reagan as the beast.

I had asked if you thought the 666 beast was past present or future.
You answered … “past and likely somewhat future”.

What is your English numbering system based on then, because it is not based on gematria. I do not think you understand how it works.

Gematria would apply to the Hebrew numbering system in which the first 9 letters of the alphabet have a value of 1-9, the next 9 are 10,20,30...90, the last numbers are 100, 200, etc
Hebrew has 28 letters, so actually Hebrew would be 1-800. Greek has 24, so it would be 1-400. English has 26, so it would be 1-600.
You said "Simple English is A - Z ... 1 - 26." which is obviously a different numbering system then Gematria. Having 26 letters, between the 28 and the 24 of Hebrew and Greek respectively, then English has the same problems as the other two. This is assuming that God would want us to use an English bible to determine the value, if that is how the scripture passage was meant to be translated at all.

 

[canada]

Thank you DHC for your reply.

Clearly we are of different schools of understanding regarding prophecy.
As I noted earlier, there are five "standard" systems of interpretation acknowledged by most if not all theologians:

Full Preterism
Partial Preterism
Historicism
Futurism
Idealism

I am that of the Reformers ... historicism, and such men as Sir Isaac Newton, Gratton Guinness, Calvin, E B Elliott, Spurgeon, John Knox etc.. By the way, Isaac Newton wrote more on the subject of Bible prophecy than on his scientific studies ... I consider him to be one of the great "students of prophecy".

Regarding Rev 13:18 the numbering of the 666 beast.
Do you think our inspired Word is advocating (as you noted) a pagan system (gematria) to determine the 666 beast?

Last Things ... you said:

"It does not make sense to believe 666 represents an English phrase or name using a completely different counting system."

I would take it from this answer you gave to Far Out that you are convinced that God has designated Hebrew and its gematria to be used to solve the numbering question ... even though God did not state the language to be used. I deduce this as you provided ... 1 up to 400.

I was unaware that "other groups" celebrate Ash Wednesdays.
Do they have a priest dip his right hand into the wood ashes and with his thumb place a mark upon the forehead of the recipient? Have you heard the term ... being "under the thumb" of Rome?

DHC had not heard the term "the church of Peter". According to Romanism, God built his church upon Peter the rock. I thought it was common knowledge that each and every pope sits in "the chair of Peter" and wears "the ring of Peter".

 

[Last Things]

Last Things ... you said:

"It does not make sense to believe 666 represents an English phrase or name using a completely different counting system."

I would take it from this answer you gave to Far Out that you are convinced that God has designated Hebrew and its gematria to be used to solve the numbering question

I said it was a possibility.

... even though God did not state the language to be used. I deduce this as you provided ... 1 up to 400.

So why are you assuming it is meant to be found in English using phrases no one uses like "the Church of Peter"

You still have not answered by numbering system. All your arguments against using Greek and Hebrew would have the same problem doing the same thing in English. Under gematria, Greek is 1:400, English 1-600, Hebrew 1-800.

I was unaware that "other groups" celebrate Ash Wednesdays.

Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, other liturgical branches.

Do they have a priest dip his right hand into the wood ashes and with his thumb place a mark upon the forehead of the recipient?

I am sure the writers intended the mark to be a small ritual done in churches. You leave out the fact that they also have it on their hands and they cannot get by in society without it.

DHC had not heard the term "the church of Peter". According to Romanism, God built his church upon Peter the rock. I thought it was common knowledge that each and every pope sits in "the chair of Peter" and wears "the ring of Peter".

I doubt he has heard the term because it does not exist. Catholic do not use that term.

 

[canada]

Hello Last Things and any other interested in this subject.

We have been discussing the subject of gematria (or isophesia) to count the number of the beast. I noted that you would not believe the futility of this exercise using the Hebrew or Greek systems until you have actually tried to do this … using it on the name of some particular “suspect”.

Has anyone reading this actually tried to do this?

Carefully read and understand the following:
We are not to add or take away from the Word of God.
Many learned and sincere theologians, and others like you (and I at one time) believed we were to use the gematria of Hebrew and/or Greek to solve the mystery. Please note.

1. God did not say to count the number using Hebrew.
2. God did not say to count the number using Greek.
3. God did not say to count the number using Latin.
4. And God definitely did not use the word gematria.

This has been an assumption by students of prophecy.

GOD SAID:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man … … … … … Rev 13:18

When a particular language and numbering system, and all other biblical points of identification point to one and the same individual, then that should be a strong indication to us that “he” is the 666 beast.

God does not state the language to be used, but it may very well be simple English wherein … A= 1 … Z=26.

I have exceptionally strong mathematical and biblical evidence indicating that it is, but I am not prepared to cast my pearls at this stage of the discussion.