What kind of religion Islam is?

[startist]

Islam has a very violent history? So does most of every other religion out there. Point? o.o

yes it does..and by the way, they confess that too.. a girl met a guy whom she really loves..she was raised in a strict Muslim family guided by her brother who totally misunderstood the Islam and strictly enforced the Quran. when he saw his sister with this guy, he hit her and dragged her like a sheep..when she got home, she told her mom that nothing has happened between them, ofcourse her brother didnt want to believe so did her teacher..so they judged the girl according to the quran when it says " all those who comment adultery must be whipped 100 times" and so they did..this girl ended up hating the her religion but afraid to confess as well as death. and wat held bitterness in his heart is that her teacher kept reminding her that God wouldn't forgive her easily and that she has done outrageous behavior that wouldn't please Muhammad, neither Allah.

I'm telling this coz i live in the Mid East and we hear lots of incidents similar to this and it's in our first pages in all public newspapers.

regarding our violent history; wana remind you that it was erased by the death of Jesus Christ and God forgives us for all we've done if we ask for forgiveness...nothing more to be added.

 

[Fraction]

Mankinds history is extremely violent.

1) Islam has the Koran, the first 5 books of the Koran are identical to the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Your comment about knowing nothing about the Koran is some what wide of the mark.

2) The Koran is full of Old Testament law, and various rules.

3) Christianity has salvation by Grace through faith, a message of peace between God and man. Christians have no role in war or violence.

4) If you seriously look at the differences between Christianity and Islam they are vast.

Point is that Islam is violent, political, oppressive.

Who appointed you as judge of other peoples posts?

All of mankinds history is violent, I agree. A lot of this violence throughout time has been based off of religous beliefs. (Either that or supreme conquest)

1) Islam is obvious an attempted rip off of Christianity. I can even say that. Even though there are vast differences, it does have a lot of the same concepts and minor details.

2) Agreed with number two.

3) This is one of the prime reasons that I believe. It makes sense. God has displayed all of his traits in the bible. Then he displays his ultimate mercy through grace. No God that is loving would ever command us to purge the world of others. (The sum of the bible has to be looked at, not just the old testament) Agreed here. However, Christians do fight wars every single day. They fight for their freedom, their families, pay and benefits to survive, and many other reasons. Even in history Christians have fought bloody and nonsense wars. Remember the Crusades? That was pretty much all "in the name of God". This is not Gods fault, it is humankinds doing. Using Faith as a weapon, which will be done until the end of time.

4) Agreed to an extent, even though minor details and concepts were copied from the word.

God told everyone to stay away from any evil thing.
In my generation, everyone knows the destruction
that Islam has caused and what they believe.
If all of what they believe were because of that book,
why would I even look very much in it?
My mom used to say dont touch the stove.
And she would hope I stayed away from it. Same purpose
in that. Did I do research? Yes. Do I intend to read this
book cover to cover? Not at all. It would be like
me knowing that pagan worship is evil, but would
I check out a spell book? No...

I'm gonna go ahead and agree that Islam is a pretty violent document itself. The Bible is violent in the Old Testament, but for specific reasons. We arent talking about mass genocide, or world destruction and domination. The events in the Old Testament had to happen to fullfill a prophecy. Not to mention a lot of large events in the Old Testament are very understandable outside of prophecies. God had to display his traits, his personality, his power. If not, no one would even care. It all had to be done in order to even save a single soul in our modern day. I agree with the concept of staying away from things. All things that are evil and sinful. If we don't, it may not drag us away from God that time. However, if we continue in it constantly, we will rip ourselves away. Which is very dangerous territory. I agree with you 100% that it is wrong, and should be strayed away from.

My whole point isn't to assault people or to cause problems. It's not to judge peoples posts or people themselves. This isn't about a religion or beliefs. It's not about who is right and who is wrong. People who follow other religions have only been misguided, they need to see the light. What good does it when people immediately condemn them? How is that helping them? That's our job here is it not? To love everyone like we love ourselves. We should be more understanding about the world, so we can change it faster and more efficiently. Not all people who study Islam are terrorists. Not all of them aren't terrorists. Instead of talking about how evil it is. Lets write some encouraging letters or e-mails to christian missionaries over there. Lets donate some cash. Lets talk about what we can actually do to help. See what I am saying?

 

[CookieRaider]

Instead of talking about how evil it is. Lets write some encouraging letters or e-mails to christian missionaries over there. Lets donate some cash. Lets talk about what we can actually do to help. See what I am saying?

That is great also, but no one should be uninformed either. For example, if a book was put in a Christian bookstore, yet it claimed that Satan was not real or that you had to do works to be saved, both of which aren't true, I would like someone to tell me before I bought it and even considered reading it. We should help, but we should also keep others aware of the dangers of anything that could sway us from truth.

 

[WantToKnowHim]

Good day everyone...


First of all, I want to say sorry if I was about to say something negative about this.

I've just noticed that non-Christian religion is often called as "Satan-made".


Maybe that was true..Maybe they are...But the fact that these people still not see the Truth must be considered well. And to the point that their religion does bad things, let us consider that in some point of history Christians do bad things as well (say for example the inquisition and some parts of the crusade.)


Al of us started as a non-believer in Jesus Christ. All of us on one point doubted God's power and love. All of us at some point pointed at other's mistake, but still God loves us.

The verses of Matthew 7:1-5, Titus 3:2-7and Romans 14:1-13 might help me in this point.

 

[farout]

You need more choices for real information. We could ask the same sort of information a better way.

Here is waht these two choices are like

Are you a human.

male O

female O

you find no real information, in this or your questions.

Please make our time invested worth it:wink:

 

[spirit1st]

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


In our Spirit All GODS Children are Equal!

 

[N8VFlower]

I believe Islam is based on fear, lies and barbaric practices.

 

[MatthewFive]

Just read most of this debate, and while there were some valid points brought up, I would like to drop this bombshell:
Mecca is a holy city, thousands of people from everywhere gather in order to bow down in front of a brick.
Leviticus 26:1 says, "Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."

Enough said?

 

[Kit Carson]

Islam is a religion somewhat similar to our own. In fact very similar.

They however do not recognize Jesus as God and Savior, he is but a man, and salvation is granted by forgiveness by God, if God so chooses to do so. It is a religion based on works, and not of grace.

There is only one sure way to heaven and that is by Jihad. Jihad most of the time is portrayed as war, or to kill in Gods name, but it can be a ministry, or teaching or promotion of God. Works will earn you salvation.

Food for thought, although the Islam religion is very easily led to extremism, violence and used by evil people to conduct evil, the reason it is so hard to convince anyone of Islam to Christian belief is the failing of Christianity itself in the area of family and culture and tradition. In Islam countries, there is family and a culture of protection. If one loses a job or suffers hardship the family and community take care of that person. Until another job is found or the hardship is gone.

In our great USA, where the Christian religion is recognized, the society denies the Christian way and message of Jesus. If you lose a job, tuff, go to the unemployment office, the government has taken the place of the community. Our society is very different, it has left the sense of community and family. Where Islam and many other religions cling to family and their culture of help to one another.

So it is hard to convince Islam believers to our way. They fear the result of lack of community support.

Just something interesting to think about. Our society has placed government above family and community, so this is greatly feared by a culture that is bound by family and community culture.

Kit

 

[N8VFlower]

No disrespect to you, but Islam is NOTHING like Christianity. Islam is controlling, barbaric and nothing about it is family friendly. I do not believe that beating or killing a family member because they disobey some stupid Islamic based law is justifiable. Islam plain and simple is evil. How is suicide bombing, and killing others who are non Muslims educational in teaching...teaching what? Like I said..I mean no disrespect towards you personally..I just believe Islam to be evil.

 

[B-A-C]

Allah is not Jehovah. There is no Trinity in Islam. Jesus is NOT God in Islam. In Islam Heaven is a place where get to be with 49 virgins for eternity. There are good and moral Muslims, there are some "not so moral" people claiming to be Christians, but in Christianity, our "goodness" isn't what saves us. In some ways they are similar, but the theology is nothing like Christianity.

 

[Kit Carson]

No disrespect to you, but Islam is NOTHING like Christianity. Islam is controlling, barbaric and nothing about it is family friendly. I do not believe that beating or killing a family member because they disobey some stupid Islamic based law is justifiable. Islam plain and simple is evil. How is suicide bombing, and killing others who are non Muslims educational in teaching...teaching what? Like I said..I mean no disrespect towards you personally..I just believe Islam to be evil.

Yes it has extremists, for sure.

However it is much like old Christian religion, live and die by the law. There is no grace , no salvation but by works and all live by the law.
Many of the laws are barbaric, but so were the old laws of the old testament in many ways.

Christians are appalled and disgusted when they hear something like if any person tries to convert a Muslim to Christianity the family of the Muslim must kill that person.

But our own religion said the same thing.

Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 and it means what it means.

We the other nations, the USA, are to blame for much of the retaliation and terrorist actions. Many of the Muslim faith still live on a dirt floor, live day to day, they are poor, they have little to look forward to so they cling to their religion. We the powerful nations want their oil, and this and that, and to dictate to them what they can and cannot do. So they fight back in anyway they can.

There is and has been extreme violence in all conversion religions. Both Christianity and Islam are conversion and conquer when used by the ones who make it so.

The main difference is they do not recognize Christ as God. Nor did he die on the cross nor is he the savior. So they live by the law, without grace.

That in itself lends to more acceptance to violence.

Kit

 

[N8VFlower]

A few things to compare with Islam and Christianity:

Human Nature and sin:
1. The Bible says in Romans 3:23 (KJV) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
2. The Koran says:All people are basically good.

Salvation:
1. Bible~Ephesians 2:8,9 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God:*9. Not of works,lest any man should boast.
2. Salvation is by sincerity and works. Salvation is earned through a life of good deeds.

The Devil:
1. Bible~Isaiah 14:12-15(KJV) 12.How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!*13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. *14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.*15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

2. The Koran teaches that the devil, Satan is not a fallen angel but a fallen Jinn.

 

[David777]

Dear Kit.

Comparisons between the Koran and the Christian Bible are impossible.

For one very simple reason.

Jesus Christ is God, when God is speaking in the first five books of the Old Testament. Who is speaking?

Answer: Jesus Christ.

The Koran bestows the title of prophet on Jesus.

They do not have God, nor do they obey God.

Muslims are committing blasphemy.

Christians have never killed anyone!

If you think they have then my answer is simple.

They were not Christians who killed those people.

We have been at war with Islam for over a decade!

Will this war ever end? Not till Jesus returns.

 

[Kit Carson]

Comparisons between the Koran and the Christian Bible are impossible.

For one very simple reason.

Jesus Christ is God, when God is speaking in the first five books of the Old Testament. Who is speaking?

Answer: Jesus Christ.

The Koran bestows the title of prophet on Jesus.

They do not have God, nor do they obey God.

Muslims are committing blasphemy.

Christians have never killed anyone!

If you think they have then my answer is simple.

They were not Christians who killed those people.

We have been at war with Islam for over a decade!

Will this war ever end? Not till Jesus returns.

Hi David:

I have no intent of supporting the Islamic religion. I have been there and my son gave five years of his life in the fight against that situation. I was trying to show that to live by the law, with no acceptance of Christ as our, or their savior simply does not work. As it did not work in the old days when God set the law, it does not work now. Without Christ there is no solution. Getting them to accept this is an challenge to the extreme, due to their culture, and training and even in the schools they have extreme teachings for each grade up to grade 10. Yes their God claimed to be the same God by many is not really the same God. That is also a complicated explanation, but their God is not our God. Even though they claim it to be so.

We should always look for the good, but we should also be wise and I have often wondered about the wisdom of our leaders who do not realize the seriousness of conflict with these people. They take this religion very serious and will fight the infidel to the last man. They are taught this from a young age.

When one reads the bible and about the end times and all the violence and chopping off of heads and so on, one can see this will be the religion of use against us one day.

Even Sharia law is creeping into our society. Just recently in Oklahoma a court ruled that it was against the constitution to ban Sharia law, in other words instead of the law of our land used in our own culture and in our society , now provisions are allowed to accept Islamic law. This is occurring more and more. Muslims are being accepted into powerful political positions also.

Bit by bit, sin by sin, tolerance by tolerance, the edges are ate away. One day they will be at the center of the pie. Not just this situation but all major sin, bit by bit is accepted.

I consider this religion very, very dangerous to all. It will be the catalyst for war and conflict for many years to come.

The above is my opinion, opinion developed by the observation of life and society. I have no scripture to support it, it is just the common sense God gave me. Our society has become so totally non judgemental that we are being assimilated by the enemy just as the tribes of God were cautioned about in the old testament. Everything is now permissible, do not judge.

As for the rest of it I was trying to show that without Christ, we may have become somewhat the same. We can only give Great Thanks to God for his willingness to provide our salvation by the sacrifice of his Son. Without this era of grace, we might also be still violent and have barbaric laws.

Respectfully

Kit

 

[eddieb]

the correct answer isnt an option. so i vote c.

c.) false religion

 

[Boanerges]

allah is a demonic idol.
From the Bible believers biblical archeology page on allah (the moon god):

The Archaeology of the Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

I would encourage you to take the time and go to their website and read the whole document.

 

[megs56]

Hi Kit. I agree with you. I think in 20 years, Muslim law will prevail. Just now, we are hearing how "peaceful and loving" Muslim people are - that is possibly true. But when the call comes to rise up against the infidel - what do you think they are going to do? Say no, sorry, we can't? I don't think so. I believe that Sharia law will prevail also and that the womanhood of the West will be bowed down by it. If this is God's plan for the last days then we have to praise Him that the last days are upon us. It is truly a demonic religion with a plan for world dominion, powered by Satan who is the prince of this world and wants to attempt to stay out of the abyss.

 

[harvester]

No disrespect to you, but Islam is NOTHING like Christianity. Islam is controlling, barbaric and nothing about it is family friendly. I do not believe that beating or killing a family member because they disobey some stupid Islamic based law is justifiable. Islam plain and simple is evil. How is suicide bombing, and killing others who are non Muslims educational in teaching...teaching what? Like I said..I mean no disrespect towards you personally..I just believe Islam to be evil.

In a way I would be inclined to agree however the family thing you said is not true. I am sorry but for a Christian country America does not have the same family morals, murder still happens, teenage pregnancy, goodness some don't even know who the father is, Sleeping around, porn, drinking to get drunk, and materialism, adultary is all time high. I was in Palestine recently and the family ties are stronger in Islam and the morals of the younger generation is much better than Americans. You only have to watch disgusting programmes like American pie and other vile American tv shows corrupted by sex and bad morals..Yes, murder happens in all country however, Muslims do not believe evil if anything most have better morals than young Americans. not all are terriorists you know quite the opposite. Whether you like to hear that or not. I am a Christian and I have sinned and continue to do so and try my best I am not perfect and hopefully only God will forgive me. I will defend Muslims in this case. I do not believe in Mohammed though only Jesus Christ as saviour not as prophet. So is America Evil then. Killings happen all the time and not all Christians are good. Fact!

 

[megs56]

In a way I would be inclined to agree however the family thing you said is not true. I am sorry but for a Christian country America does not have the same family morals.

harvester, I used to work in real estate, up until very recently. There were a number of muslim families on the estate which I worked. Neighbours of these muslim families reported horrific abuse of the wife by the husband and the police often became involved in these "domestic violence" cases. Now, I am a free woman, I live in a country where laws provide for me, I am a valued human being, not a terribly abused (and sometimes killed) dog to bow down to the thoughts and wishes of one human being. Eve was given as a "helpmeet" for Adam, not a slave. When you are a Christian, you try to draw people to Christ, the ones who indulge in the kind of lifestyle you outline. You tell them of the love of Christ, you don't bludgeon them about the head, call them infidels and subscribe to the theory of "converting by violence if necessary". If you are a Christian, you will believe that Isaac was the son chosen of God, not Ishmael. Sarah was the true wife, not Hagar. When the Lord speaks about the ***** of Babylon, I don't think he is speaking of Sarah!! I believe that Islam is going to control the world one day, and Christians will have to run from it and maybe die. If we do die, like Stephen, we will say "Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God". Hallelujah.