What kind of religion Islam is?

[Downunder]

The Oneness of Allah
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like Him.” Holy Qur'an (112:1-4)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Islam is almost exactly the same as Christianity, albeit with a few minor changes.

UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!!! ISLAM is a SATANIC Relio/Governmental system bearing NO RESEMBLANCE to Biblical Christianity. ISLAM has NO SAVIOR, and can do nothing other that CURSE it's followers with HELL when they die, since there's no possibility of Salvation.

Jesus IS held just as high as Muhammed, if not more than him.

It's TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT how "High" ISLAMIC FOOLS "hold Jesus"!!! ISLAM has IGNORANTLY ELIMINATED the entire reason for Jesus to exist, by eliminating Him as SAVIOR.

We are not here to harm or destroy. We are here to live our lives as peacefully as possible. Just as you would like to do.

Except that all ISLAM DOES is "Harm, Destroy, and MURDER anybody that stands in their way when they're politically strong enough, just like their satanic prophet.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What do Islam and the Quran say about Jesus?
Muhammad was visited by the angel Jibrīl, known as Gabriel in English, who revealed to him the beginnings of what would later become the Qur’an.

Jesus was born of a virgin > He [Jibrīl] said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. 20 She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”
21 He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” (19:19-21, Yusif Ali)
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples. (21:91, Yusif Ali) > thus the angel Jibrīl breathed into Mary's garment sleeve ...

Jesus was created > The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was. (3:59, Yusif Ali)

Jesus was given revelation by Allah > He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made made me a prophet. (19:30, Yusif Ali)

Denial Jesus’ Crucifixion > That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein
are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)

Jesus is no more than a messenger of Allah > O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171, Yusif Ali)

Jesus, Son of Mary, did not say to worship himself or Mary > And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?”
He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine.
For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (5:116, Yusif Ali)

You are cursed if you say Jesus is God’s son > The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say.
Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30, Yusif Ali)

Jesus said to obey Allah > When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me. (43:63, Yusif Ali)

An Interesting, but TOTALLY FALSE pack of SATANIC LIES from the Religio/Governmental system of ISLAM.

 

[Andyindauk]

Personally I don't have a problem with Islam, nor do I have a problem with the Jewish faith, there are similarities. Ask a Jew, ask a Muslim, who's Jesus and generally you'll get similar patronising replies about Him being a nice guy that lived 2000 years ago. Muslims go a bit further saying He's some sort of prophet (so why do so many Muslims hate Christians and want to murder converts?) But ask is He who He claims to be - the son of God? Is the belief on Him and the following of Him the only way into Heaven (paradise)? John 11:25 & John 14:6. Jesus suddenly drops from being a prophet to a false prophet. Was His death and resurrection a mortal blow to death itself? No, don't be silly, you have to .... long list of do's and what you mustn't do is ..... long list of don'ts. OK, so I do the do's and I don't do the don'ts, will that get me to Heaven / paradise? Well probably not; there's traditions, customs and culture to observe. Some imans go even further, Jihad upon infidels, fatwas on those thought to have insulated Muhammad or the Quran, or even Dār al-ḥarb - attack anything that's not Muslim.

To me that's religion, and for me, you can keep it!

Jesus said this -
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47 NKJV. Better than that, we become sons (or daughters) of God
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: John 1:12 NKJV. Add to that we receive God's Holy Spirit -
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 NKJV
If that's not enough, how'd do like a one to one up front and personal relationship with the almighty creator God? Revelation 3:20?

Islam v Christianity? No contest!

 

[DanielVision]

Muslim: convert or I'll kill you
Christian: convert or I'll die for you

 

[DanielVision]

Also.. there is no unique, verifiable prophecy in the Quran.

 

[MedicBravo]

Nothing but an evil cult.

The Quran's Verses of Violence

A sampling of violence in the Quran.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Simply put, Ismael was so "hurt" he went and twisted God and the Bible resulting in Islam.
Allah may mean "god" but is not the God of the Bible.
Christians don't kill non-Christians b/c they won't become one.
Christians don't kill Christians who leave it.
They don't throw LGB and T+ off rooftops.
I could go on but the facts and truth are numerous.

 

[PrayerWife]

I believe that their religion is based off lies, discrimination, and fear.
As for the actual people who believe in Islam, most are gentle souls who are peaceful, and actually hate the radical Islamic group's actions and thoughts. Some might have killed in the name of Islam, and shame other Muslims. But overall, these are a lost people who need to see the truth of God's Word, the Bible.

Amiina! We need to pray for the muslims.

 

[PrayerWife]

I would not really say they are minor changes,
but changes at that. A main difference is that
Christians think that Jesus was God, whereas Islam
thinks Jesus was just another prophet.
If Jesus weren't God like He claimed to be, then
our sins aren't covered, since Jesus came to die for them.
Jesus was who He said He was, and because of that,
we are all free to accept the forgiveness of Christ.

Exactly! That's an huge difference!

 

[MedicBravo]

Amiina! We need to pray for the muslims.

Ismael started the Islam cult.
So butthurt despite God taking care of him and all he twisted, ruined, and perverted God and the Bible.
Their book has only one author and no witnesses to any "miraculous events". Mohamed had anger and depression issues as was a pedo.

 

[B-A-C]

Islam is almost exactly the same as Christianity, albeit with a few minor changes. Jesus IS held just as high as Muhammed,

Really? Jesus is consider God in Islam? Jesus is held just as high as Muhammed? Does that mean Muhammed is God also?
Are Muslims saved by Jesus's sinless sacrifice on the cross? Will Muslims worship Jesus the same as they do Allah?

 

[MedicBravo]

Really? Jesus is consider God in Islam? Jesus is held just as high as Muhammed? Does that mean Muhammed is God also?
Are Muslims saved by Jesus's sinless sacrifice on the cross? Will Muslims worship Jesus the same as they do Allah?

Jesus is just a mortal man according toe evil Muslims.
Muhammed was the ONLY one to write their book. One person with anger problems, depression, was a pedo, and married an underage girl who hadn't started puberty yet.
Ismael, back in the day, was so butthurt at not getting what he was supposed to. I'll clarify. In history, the firstborn was the one to inherit from the father but God...turned it backwards for many reasons. In fact, after the Flood and the fact we're all related, human history is nothing but one BIG family fight (wars) with each other.
Anyway, back to whiny butthurt Ishmael. He knew God and the Bible at that point but his anger (and butthurt) was so great he twisted everything and then "claimed" this thing he created was legit.
Islam is evil Satan worship. Deceivement is Satan and therefore their greatest tool.
*Their (little god) god is Satan/Allah and symbol is the Moon. A symbol which reflects Light and Good but cannot create it on it's own.
**Of at least 3/4 of every Muslim questioned across the world they want it to be under Islamic rule by an means necessary.
They are not your friends. Trust none of them.
Very few former Muslims have left Islam. Death on site is the punishment for leaving.
No Christian or Christian group will kill someone b/c they left or refused to join.
Just b/c they say they are "non-violent and peaceful" doesn't mean they are.
The "peaceful" ones are the ones the rest hide behind.
There will be no Muslims after He comes back.

 

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The word Jihad basically means "struggle against oppression". There existed two written versions describing the arrest, trial, and crucifixion of Jesus. One version is taken from The Second Treatise Of The Great Seth written in the 3rd century written into the Tafsir Ibn Kathir in the 14th century that Jesus was taken up into heaven with another taking his place and no one being the wiser. The second version is the New Testament in the Bible. It's the former version which was plagiarized into the Quran. Is Allah really that uninformed regarding his own prophets?

Muhammad would have met Christians, and he lived not far from Jewish settlements. I believe he didn't know what to make of Christianity and found Judaism more acceptable. When Muhammad first met "Gabriel" in the cave, he arrived home in a state of panic and nearly suicidal. I don't believe everything in the Quran was inspired by his angelic messenger (I'm being kind here) as sometimes Muhammad included items which he later regretted, but did not remove them. His youngest wife Aisha observed that when Muhammad had serious problems, Allah was very quick to respond with a revelation whereas Allah was less responsive to others. I also believe that as Muhammad gained influence, he felt increasingly more secure in making rather careless statements and actions. He cursed both the Jews and the Christians shortly before his death because neither group accepted his prophethood.

As for general behaviour, people are people are people. Many would like to exist in a peaceful time able to play with their grandchildren with Muslims being no different overall. There will always be exceptions and I've personally encountered exceptions even within Christianity having been cursed twice in the name of Jesus. It's not a good feeling. Islam is a governmental theocracy which abides under Sharian law. While no system is perfect, this one is intended to give Islam a distinct advantage over disbelievers. Islam enjoys a large following primarily through birth rate. I've found those Christians who choose to follow Islam do so claiming there is no confusing Trinity. One God, one Creator, one belief. The Quran mentions a trinity of Jesus, Allah, and Mary. While the RCC puts Mary on a pedestal, they don't consider her to be a god. Another misunderstanding of Muhammad?

In the Quran, Jesus is called Isa, or Issa. Apparently the Arabic Bible calls Jesus a name closer in relation to Yeshua while Esau (Jacob's oldest) is called Isa. I've read or heard that online. Not sure how true it is. Does anyone know?

When Jesus returns, all religions will cease to exist. The book of Revelations says that the leaders of countries are advised not to oppose his leadership and get on board soonest. Those who do oppose it will be crushed within a short period of time.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

1) Peace and love.
2) Terrorism and lies.

TOTALLY FALSE. Islam's "Jesus" (Isa) didn't die in the crossn ans so Islam HAS NO SAVIOR, and can only damn it's followers into HELL.
Everything else about ISLAM is completely unimportant.

 

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TOTALLY FALSE. Islam's "Jesus" (Isa) didn't die in the crossn ans so Islam HAS NO SAVIOR, and can only damn it's followers into HELL.
Everything else about ISLAM is completely unimportant.

Islam doesn't proclaim a saviour in the form of a person, but it does proclaim Allah as a saviour although he seems rather capricious. Islam promotes the concept of our good deeds outweighing our bad deeds. I've listened to some Islamic imams and some claim "if you do this ..., Allah will reward you ten times more" making certain actions more like a magic formula for salvation. They also teach a single sin can wipe everything out even on the last day. So much for their formula.

No matter what, one can't be a good Muslim until one adopts an approved name, reads and and speaks Arabic, and dresses (particularly the women) like an Arab.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Islam doesn't proclaim a saviour in the form of a person, but it does proclaim Allah as a saviour although he seems rather capricious. Islam promotes the concept of our good deeds outweighing our bad deeds. I've listened to some Islamic imams and some claim "if you do this ..., Allah will reward you ten times more" making certain actions more like a magic formula for salvation. They also teach a single sin can wipe everything out even on the last day. So much for their formula.

No matter what, one can't be a good Muslim until one adopts an approved name, reads and and speaks Arabic, and dresses (particularly the women) like an Arab.

And in the judgement, they'll be damned. There's NO SALVATION in ISLAM. It's a 100% PHONY religious system.

 

[MedicBravo]

The word Jihad basically means "struggle against oppression". There existed two written versions describing the arrest, trial, and crucifixion of Jesus. One version is taken from The Second Treatise Of The Great Seth written in the 3rd century written into the Tafsir Ibn Kathir in the 14th century that Jesus was taken up into heaven with another taking his place and no one being the wiser. The second version is the New Testament in the Bible. It's the former version which was plagiarized into the Quran. Is Allah really that uninformed regarding his own prophets?

Muhammad would have met Christians, and he lived not far from Jewish settlements. I believe he didn't know what to make of Christianity and found Judaism more acceptable. When Muhammad first met "Gabriel" in the cave, he arrived home in a state of panic and nearly suicidal. I don't believe everything in the Quran was inspired by his angelic messenger (I'm being kind here) as sometimes Muhammad included items which he later regretted, but did not remove them. His youngest wife Aisha observed that when Muhammad had serious problems, Allah was very quick to respond with a revelation whereas Allah was less responsive to others. I also believe that as Muhammad gained influence, he felt increasingly more secure in making rather careless statements and actions. He cursed both the Jews and the Christians shortly before his death because neither group accepted his prophethood.

As for general behaviour, people are people are people. Many would like to exist in a peaceful time able to play with their grandchildren with Muslims being no different overall. There will always be exceptions and I've personally encountered exceptions even within Christianity having been cursed twice in the name of Jesus. It's not a good feeling. Islam is a governmental theocracy which abides under Sharian law. While no system is perfect, this one is intended to give Islam a distinct advantage over disbelievers. Islam enjoys a large following primarily through birth rate. I've found those Christians who choose to follow Islam do so claiming there is no confusing Trinity. One God, one Creator, one belief. The Quran mentions a trinity of Jesus, Allah, and Mary. While the RCC puts Mary on a pedestal, they don't consider her to be a god. Another misunderstanding of Muhammad?

In the Quran, Jesus is called Isa, or Issa. Apparently the Arabic Bible calls Jesus a name closer in relation to Yeshua while Esau (Jacob's oldest) is called Isa. I've read or heard that online. Not sure how true it is. Does anyone know?

When Jesus returns, all religions will cease to exist. The book of Revelations says that the leaders of countries are advised not to oppose his leadership and get on board soonest. Those who do oppose it will be crushed within a short period of time.

Don't make excuses for Muslims. They are nothing but the results of a butt-hurt Ismael who let sin permeate and ruin his life to the point he twisted everything God is and the Bible at the time into "Islam".
No one needs a reminder of what it is. Pretty sure most sane Christians have a basic understanding of that evil cult.
Allah is simply Satan. Their basic beliefs, "pillars" and the fact that "deceiving" is their greatest tool should tell a deaf, blind, and dumb person the truth in them. No "peaceful" religion would beat the women and children, have sex with animals, marry underage girls who haven't hit puberty, honor killings, and so on.
We do NOT believe in the same God.
By definition we Christians are a "religion" but in reality that is not what we have and are.

 

[Shutterbug]

Don't make excuses for Muslims. They are nothing but the results of a butt-hurt Ismael who let sin permeate and ruin his life to the point he twisted everything God is and the Bible at the time into "Islam".
No one needs a reminder of what it is. Pretty sure most sane Christians have a basic understanding of that evil cult.
Allah is simply Satan. Their basic beliefs, "pillars" and the fact that "deceiving" is their greatest tool should tell a deaf, blind, and dumb person the truth in them. No "peaceful" religion would beat the women and children, have sex with animals, marry underage girls who haven't hit puberty, honor killings, and so on.
We do NOT believe in the same God.
By definition we Christians are a "religion" but in reality that is not what we have and are.

Most Christians do not have an understanding of Islam other than Jesus is not their redeemer and what they have learned of the violent tactics frequently portrayed. The principle prophets spoken of in their Quran except for Muhammad are borrowed from the Bible and in their mind, prophets cannot sin. Therefore, David could not have had the husband of Bathsheba killed for his own personal gain. And, in their view, Jesus could not have been killed because Allah would not have permitted it.

While Ishmael has nothing to do with this directly, I agree the Quran has taken some stories from the Bible and reworded them for a different outcome. Ishmael replaced Isaac as the one to be sacrificed.

It is my opinion that Muhammad misunderstood some Biblical stories or couldn't correctly recall them. I also believe that he fundamentally rejected the concept of needing a redeemer through Jesus. Whether that happened at the beginning or end makes little difference, but he was cursing the Jews and Christians shortly before his death. There is a hadith where Muhammad was leading a prayer in the mosque and he made a mistake during his recitation. Rather than admit he made a mistake, he blamed it on his followers by claiming that because someone had not properly cleaned themself, Satan had gotten in and caused him to err.

I haven't said that Islam is a peaceful religion as Islam was spread mainly by force through conquest with much of Europe under its control at one point being stopped and driven back by Charles Martel of France. Under Sharian Law, saying anything against Muhammad opens one up to deadly punishment be they Muslim or not. It also gives the men (there are caveats in place) to have up to four wives and therefore four simultaneous families. When someone left his religion, Muhammad wanted him dead which is why only the very determined leave it under Sharian Law. Muhammad didn't think too highly of women as he dictated that it takes two women to equal a man in both physical and social stature. Many Christians who adopt Islam are unaware of the restrictions of Sharian Law.

While Islam can be peaceful, it isn't based on the Prince of Peace. Did you know Abraham had eight sons? Most think he only had two.

 

[Shutterbug]

And in the judgement, they'll be damned. There's NO SALVATION in ISLAM. It's a 100% PHONY religious system.

I'm glad you brought that up. According to a hadith, the Muslims will be saved because either a Jew or a Christian will take their place in Hellfire. Their salvation is works based which is one reason they hate the apostle Paul. He isn't the only one to say our works aren't sufficient to save us, but his is the most insistent. After meeting Jesus, Paul preached salvation through Jesus to his last day.

In fact, Muslims claim Jesus was a Muslim believing in only one God. They can't explain how the gospel Jesus proclaimed became not only corrupted by the Christians, but also lost by the Muslims who seemed to have died out. Ironically, the Quran upholds both the Torah and the Bible. That doesn't mean it should be followed as it has many other issues. The literal Quran came about because too many of its reciters were dying in battles. Because the Quran was written down on pieces of parchment, vellum, bark, rocks, whatever was at hand, its compilation into a book appeared about ten years after the death of Muhammad. It was rewritten again to make a standard Quran for all and its source materials were destroyed as much as possible. The Hafs Quran of today is from 1924 or 1927 when the Cariro university adopted the Hafs Quran as its standard and took all other copies and buried them in the Nile River. There is also a Warsh Quran which isn't perfectly in sync with the Hafs. The Sunnis and Sheites do not uphold the same hadiths. So, Islam has its divisional issues, too.

I didn't come here to stir up a controversy or make war appearing to defend Islam. I know it is flawed. While its message is easier for some to accept, that message has remained the wrong message since Day One. For the record and as flawed as I am, Jesus is still the reason for eternal life through God's grace. Sadly, many want another door into the sheepfold and it's beginning to show in too many churches.

 

[MedicBravo]

Most Christians do not have an understanding of Islam other than Jesus is not their redeemer and what they have learned of the violent tactics frequently portrayed. The principle prophets spoken of in their Quran except for Muhammad are borrowed from the Bible and in their mind, prophets cannot sin. Therefore, David could not have had the husband of Bathsheba killed for his own personal gain. And, in their view, Jesus could not have been killed because Allah would not have permitted it.

While Ishmael has nothing to do with this directly, I agree the Quran has taken some stories from the Bible and reworded them for a different outcome. Ishmael replaced Isaac as the one to be sacrificed.

It is my opinion that Muhammad misunderstood some Biblical stories or couldn't correctly recall them. I also believe that he fundamentally rejected the concept of needing a redeemer through Jesus. Whether that happened at the beginning or end makes little difference, but he was cursing the Jews and Christians shortly before his death. There is a hadith where Muhammad was leading a prayer in the mosque and he made a mistake during his recitation. Rather than admit he made a mistake, he blamed it on his followers by claiming that because someone had not properly cleaned themself, Satan had gotten in and caused him to err.

I haven't said that Islam is a peaceful religion as Islam was spread mainly by force through conquest with much of Europe under its control at one point being stopped and driven back by Charles Martel of France. Under Sharian Law, saying anything against Muhammad opens one up to deadly punishment be they Muslim or not. It also gives the men (there are caveats in place) to have up to four wives and therefore four simultaneous families. When someone left his religion, Muhammad wanted him dead which is why only the very determined leave it under Sharian Law. Muhammad didn't think too highly of women as he dictated that it takes two women to equal a man in both physical and social stature. Many Christians who adopt Islam are unaware of the restrictions of Sharian Law.

While Islam can be peaceful, it isn't based on the Prince of Peace. Did you know Abraham had eight sons? Most think he only had two.

"Most Christians do not have an understanding of Islam other than Jesus is not their redeemer and what they have learned of the violent tactics frequently portrayed." - You've no evidence to support that.
Ishmael has plenty to do with it, He passed down his butt-hurt until Mohamed grew up and he was already on messed up kid.
I, like many, have read through and studied enough about them an their cult. I have a book written by people who know more than you, I, and likely anyone here on Christianity and Islam.
He didn't "misunderstand" anything. Anger was one of the first sins and Ishmael embraced it completely. In fact, the whole "firstborn gets everything and is in charge" was undone so many times in human history. In fact, the Lastborn is shown to be made the leader and inherited a position.
Islam is never peaceful. It and them use deceiving to "appear peaceful" and in fact such a statement IS in their book.
"Did you know Abraham had eight sons? Most think he only had two." - Again with the assumptions. Second, a quick glance shows those six didn't join Islam so we can easily narrow down the problem.
Islam and Muslims. Very few have managed to leave it and survive. One woman in a video carries a handgun b/c she is a target by them and that video was made a couple of years ago.