When are we resurrected?

[Hitch]

The last day is the final 24 hour period before God sets mankind into the eternal state.

 

[Hitch]

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:7; When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

As for if you have to be saved to be resurrected or not...

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

However these two resurrections seemingly will not take place at the same time. They could be 1,000 years apart.

I suggest a review of 5;28. Also John 6 plainly states the righteous will be raised on the last day.( And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ) Your scheme requires then that the unrighteous precede the church in resurrection directly contrary to Christ own teaching -

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.



So if you're willing to ignore our Lord's own word on the subject you can add a gap of any number of years,, why not 5 or 6 billion ? The righteous are still raised at the last day.

 

[Hitch]

It depends on if you are saved or not.

Hmmmm there is a need in some circles to avoid what Jesus actually said, but it never pays off well.


8 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

'ALL' as used is defined for us in v29 as the good and the evil.

 

[B-A-C]

I suggest a review of 5;28. Also John 6 plainly states the righteous will be raised on the last day.

No one is arguing that. Check out Rev 20:5;

 

[Hitch]

No one is arguing that. Check out Rev 20:5;

Jesus spoke of that very thing:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

This is how we become part of the royal priesthood as it is obvious one who 'has everlasting life' is free of the power of the Second Death.

If believing on Christ is described by CHRIST as passing from death unto life it can only be that those who do not believe are dead.

Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself. 27And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

Note this is a current and ongoing event and it precedes our Lord's discourse on the general resurrection following.

 

[Waggles]

Considering that to "resurrect" means to "bring back to life", does not the phrase "born again" mean "resurrected"? If that is so, then has not a person who has been born again already had a resurrection?

No - for born again is a poor translation - the more correct literal translation is "born from above"
And coming up out of the waters of baptism is symbolic of resurrection but a disciple unfortunately is still here on planet Earth until ...

 

[Mister]

HE SCOLD ME. and said; "WHO TOLD YOU, YOU WAS A CHRISTIAN" and i explain to HIM in full detail the world and pointed to the text and what type of people who created that word. and His respond was not pretty, And HE said; "WHAT DID I CALL YOU"? My reply: "you called me or you referred to me as "your child". AND HE TOOK ME, to another place IN "GOD" and every since, i know HIM, as my Father.[BGCOLOR=rgb(60, 64, 71)][/BGCOLOR]

Marvelous!

 

[B-A-C]

No - for born again is a poor translation - the more correct literal translation is "born from above"

anōthen
an'-o-then
From G507; from above; by analogy from the first; by implication anew: - from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
Total KJV occurrences: 13

It means both. Above and Again.

John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4; Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
John 3:5; Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I have to wonder, after what Jesus said about being born ( again? ) why did Nicodemus ask if a man had to enter his mother's womb again?
Unless of course, Nicodemus literally thought you had to be born... "again".
The only reason he would have thought this, was if Jesus actually said it.

 

[Waggles]

The only reason he would have thought this, was if Jesus actually said it.

Nicodemus' confusion may have been over the word 'born.'
But doctrinally being born from above is a much more appropriate description of baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[amadeus2]

No - for born again is a poor translation - the more correct literal translation is "born from above"
And coming up out of the waters of baptism is symbolic of resurrection but a disciple unfortunately is still here on planet Earth until ...

What Jesus brought was Life! I was aware of the different translation, but it makes no difference in what I said. When a person is born from above [or again] he has Life whereas he was dead. This is what resurrection means. There is a quickening [bring to Life] Spirit in the person born from above.

 

[Hitch]

The only reason he would have thought this, was if Jesus actually said it.

Or perhaps Jesus said it in a way to generate closer examination.

 

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The Lord Jesus Christ:-
Of Whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
.. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again
.... which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
...... and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
........ For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
.......... But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
............ even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection;
not laying again
- the foundation of repentance from dead works, and
.. - of faith toward God,
.... - Of the doctrine of baptisms, and
...... - of laying on of hands, and
........ - of resurrection of the dead, and
.......... - of eternal judgment.
And this will we do, if God permit.'
(Hebrews 5:11-14 & 6:1-3)

Hello @B-A-C,

I began considering the verses you have quoted in your OP, lovely as they are, and in doing so came to the one which took me to the portion of Scripture above, and I realised that this discussion and all like it is not for me. For I want to go on unto maturity, and that is not achieved by getting bogged down in debate, on this subject and that, but by becoming skilful in the word of righteousness, and by having our senses exercised to discern both good and evil, leave the basic principles listed, and go on to perfection or maturity in Christ Jesus.

I want to know Christ, and be found in Him: so I will say goodbye to you, and to all of my fellow forum members and go offline to do just that.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Reba1]

However these two resurrections seemingly will not take place at the same time. They could be 1,000 years apart.

Jesus says the hour you say they could be 1000 years apart . Think i will go with what the Creator of the days hours and years says.

 

[PloughBoy]

The Lord Jesus Christ:-
Of Whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
.. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again
.... which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
...... and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
........ For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
.......... But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
............ even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection;
not laying again
- the foundation of repentance from dead works, and
.. - of faith toward God,
.... - Of the doctrine of baptisms, and
...... - of laying on of hands, and
........ - of resurrection of the dead, and
.......... - of eternal judgment.
And this will we do, if God permit.'
(Hebrews 5:11-14 & 6:1-3)

Hello @B-A-C,

I began considering the verses you have quoted in your OP, lovely as they are, and in doing so came to the one which took me to the portion of Scripture above, and I realised that this discussion and all like it is not for me. For I want to go on unto maturity, and that is not achieved by getting bogged down in debate, on this subject and that, but by becoming skilful in the word of righteousness, and by having our senses exercised to discern both good and evil, leave the basic principles listed, and go on to perfection or maturity in Christ Jesus.

I want to know Christ, and be found in Him: so I will say goodbye to you, and to all of my fellow forum members and go offline to do just that.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

I am so glad there is a Great Ocean between me and you, because i would try to get a "Holy Kiss" from you for that one.

 

[Ready for flight 777]

I picked there are more than one resurrection but then saw that the poll question was when do WE get resurrected? We as the church fall under the first resurrection. See if
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
"The Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the Archangel, and the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first, After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them on the clouds to meet the Lord on the air." So then, the first resurrection is the dead in Christ at the time of the Rapture.

 

[Hitch]

I picked there are more than one resurrection but then saw that the poll question was when do WE get resurrected? We as the church fall under the first resurrection. See if
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
"The Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the Archangel, and the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first, After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them on the clouds to meet the Lord on the air." So then, the first resurrection is the dead in Christ at the time of the Rapture.

Hmmmm How do you suppose Jesus got it wrong thinking the resurrection was at the last day ?

 

[Ready for flight 777]

Hmmmm How do you suppose Jesus got it wrong thinking the resurrection was at the last day ?

Jesus didn't get anything wrong. I am a pre-trib rapture believer. The church who are dead in Christ are the first to be resurrected. Upon the resit

 

[Ready for flight 777]

A

Jesus didn't get anything wrong. I am a pre-trib rapture believer. The church who are dead in Christ are the first to be resurrected. Upon the resit

Anyway I'm new to this forum and I came here to fellowship with believers and I am quick to shy away from debates. Your rhetorical question sounds like a debate challenge. Like you don't agree with my post. That's fine. You don't have to agree. Since its a poll question you might see different answers. I gave mine but I don't believe Jesus is wrong as you think I said. Maybe I made a mistake to sign up here. I just wanted to fellowship with other believers. Sorry I made you think I believe Jesus is wrong. I don't believe that at all. Thank you moderators for the short opportunity to be here. God bless

 

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A

Anyway I'm new to this forum and I came here to fellowship with believers and I am quick to shy away from debates. Your rhetorical question sounds like a debate challenge. Like you don't agree with my post. That's fine. You don't have to agree. Since its a poll question you might see different answers. I gave mine but I don't believe Jesus is wrong as you think I said. Maybe I made a mistake to sign up here. I just wanted to fellowship with other believers. Sorry I made you think I believe Jesus is wrong. I don't believe that at all. Thank you moderators for the short opportunity to be here. God bless

Hello @Ready for flight 777,

I hope you don't take flight. Please don't shy away. Give it one more try.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour, our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

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' Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.'
(Tit 2:13-14)

Hello @Hitch,

What matters is that we have the promise of life, in Christ Jesus. At present our life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears in glory, we too will appear with Him. That necessitates resurrection. When and how is in God's hands, and I see no point in arguing about it.

There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows. Then there is that referred to in 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Paul also speaks of a resurrection which takes place out from among dead ones, Gr. exanastasis, in Philippians 3:11 . That there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust, the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 14:14) , Martha, and Paul ( Acts 14:15 ) agree., The hope of Israel, for which Paul was imprisoned, is the first of the two in Revelation 20.

'And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto Myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.'
(Joh 14:3)

'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'
(Joh 6:39-40)

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
Then cometh the end,
when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(1 Cor. 15:20-24)

* As a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head: I look for that for which Paul looked in Philippians 3:11, resurrection out from among dead ones. I look for Christ's appearing in glory, when the Church which is the Body of Christ will appear with Him there. (Colossians 3:4).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris