When are we resurrected?

[Hitch]

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Anyway I'm new to this forum and I came here to fellowship with believers and I am quick to shy away from debates. Your rhetorical question sounds like a debate challenge. Like you don't agree with my post. That's fine. You don't have to agree. Since its a poll question you might see different answers. I gave mine but I don't believe Jesus is wrong as you think I said. Maybe I made a mistake to sign up here. I just wanted to fellowship with other believers. Sorry I made you think I believe Jesus is wrong. I don't believe that at all. Thank you moderators for the short opportunity to be here. God bless

And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.

Its a simple question, Jesus says the resurrection is at the last day and you do not. And you dont care to explain the conflict, well no one will force you. This forum has a fine ignore feature.
The hostility received when quoting Jesus, on the subject at hand , is interesting.

 

[Hitch]

' Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.'
(Tit 2:13-14)

Hello @Hitch,

What matters is that we have the promise of life, in Christ Jesus. At present our life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears in glory, we too will appear with Him. That necessitates resurrection. When and how is in God's hands, and I see no point in arguing about it.

There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows. Then there is that referred to in 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Paul also speaks of a resurrection which takes place out from among dead ones, Gr. exanastasis, in Philippians 3:11 . That there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust, the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 14:14) , Martha, and Paul ( Acts 14:15 ) agree., The hope of Israel, for which Paul was imprisoned, is the first of the two in Revelation 20.

'And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto Myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.'
(Joh 14:3)

'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'
(Joh 6:39-40)

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
Then cometh the end,
when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(1 Cor. 15:20-24)

* As a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head: I look for that for which Paul looked in Philippians 3:11, resurrection out from among dead ones. I look for Christ's appearing in glory, when the Church which is the Body of Christ will appear with Him there. (Colossians 3:4).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

What matters is that we have the promise of life, in Christ Jesus. At present our life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears in glory, we too will appear with Him. That necessitates resurrection. When and how is in God's hands, and I see no point in arguing about it.


Perhaps you CAN tell me why Jesus thought it was so important to repeat it 4 times in one conversation ? What gives you the right to claim to speak on God's behalf and allow a direct contradiction to one of the plainest teachings our Lord personally spoke ?


'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'

Who says the resurrection is at the last day ?

Is it alright to contradict Jesus when He says you must be born again ?
It is alright to contradict Jesus when He says 'I am the way?

No? Why not?

Is there ANYTHING Jesus said that is not subject to your correction ?

 

[Hitch]

Did Jesus really say: , I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

If you say yes you should take seriously what He said about resurrection


'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'

 

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Complete said:-
' Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.'
(Tit 2:13-14)

Hello @Hitch,

What matters is that we have the promise of life, in Christ Jesus. At present our life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears in glory, we too will appear with Him. That necessitates resurrection. When and how is in God's hands, and I see no point in arguing about it.

There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows. Then there is that referred to in 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Paul also speaks of a resurrection which takes place out from among dead ones, Gr. exanastasis, in Philippians 3:11 . That there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust, the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 14:14) , Martha, and Paul ( Acts 14:15 ) agree., The hope of Israel, for which Paul was imprisoned, is the first of the two in Revelation 20.

'And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto Myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.'
(Joh 14:3)

'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'
(Joh 6:39-40)

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
Then cometh the end,
when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(1 Cor. 15:20-24)

* As a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head: I look for that for which Paul looked in Philippians 3:11, resurrection out from among dead ones. I look for Christ's appearing in glory, when the Church which is the Body of Christ will appear with Him there. (Colossians 3:4).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

What matters is that we have the promise of life, in Christ Jesus. At present our life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, appears in glory, we too will appear with Him. That necessitates resurrection. When and how is in God's hands, and I see no point in arguing about it.


Perhaps you CAN tell me why Jesus thought it was so important to repeat it 4 times in one conversation ? What gives you the right to claim to speak on God's behalf and allow a direct contradiction to one of the plainest teachings our Lord personally spoke ?


'And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'

Who says the resurrection is at the last day ?

Is it alright to contradict Jesus when He says you must be born again ?
It is alright to contradict Jesus when He says 'I am the way?

No? Why not?

Is there ANYTHING Jesus said that is not subject to your correction ?

Hello @Hitch,

If I have done such a thing then that would be serious indeed. Perhaps you will show me ( from reply #40 [quoted above] my only post in this thread ) how and when and with what words I have done so?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

If I have done such a thing then that would be serious indeed. Perhaps you will show me how and when and with what words.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

OK
There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows.




39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

4 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.



28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You are contrary regarding the timing ( one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, ) and the number (the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves)

All of these quotes of JESUS Christ speak directly to the resurrection and not one can be used in support of your quote above.
But you're right about one thing, it is serious.

And as serious as it is to openly contradict Christ Himself I'll bet you'll sell Him out for the barest chance at rapture.

 

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OK
There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows.




39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

4 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.



28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You are contrary regarding the timing ( one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, ) and the number (the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves)

All of these quotes of JESUS Christ speak directly to the resurrection and not one can be used in support of your quote above.
But you're right about one thing, it is serious.

Hello @Hitch,

Not good enough my friend. You have not done what I asked of you, and continue to accuse without substantiation.

I leave you in the Lord's hands.

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

Not good enough my friend. You have not done what I asked of you, and continue to accuse without substantiation.

I leave you in the Lord's hands.

Contradicting Jesus comes at a price, but as predicted you prefer rapture over His own teaching.

Of course it should be no trouble for you to prove my error. All you need is to show how the quotes from JESUS CHRIST I posted fit your scheme, if its true to the Word it will be easy . (or ANY quotes from Jesus )

 

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Contradicting Jesus comes at a price, but as predicted you prefer rapture over His own teaching.

Of course it should be no trouble for you to prove my error. All you need is to show how the quotes from JESUS CHRIST I posted fit your scheme, if its true to the Word it will be easy . (or ANY quotes from Jesus )

Hello @Hitch,

I have not contradicted the words of the Lord Jesus, neither have I said anything about the rapture as my preference, I suggest you actually read what I said, and not falsely accuse.

It is clearly stated that the Lord will return for His own at the end of this age. That has not been denied by me.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour.
Chris

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

I have not contradicted the words of the Lord Jesus, neither have I said anything about the rapture as my preference, I suggest you actually read what I said, and not falsely accuse.

It is clearly stated that the Lord will return for His own at the end of this age. That has not been denied by me.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour.
Chris

There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows.

The contradiction is clear I've already posted what the Lord taught regarding the resurrection , regarding rapture that is an assumption I made.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

4 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.



28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It is clearly stated that the Lord will return for His own at the end of this age. That has not been denied by me.

What Jesus clearly stated is directly above, as to this part: That has not been denied by me. This one had the look of a creeping strawman, a subtle change of subject, nice try.

Of course it should be no trouble for you to prove my error. All you need is to show how the quotes from JESUS CHRIST I posted fit your scheme, if its true to the Word it will be easy . (or ANY quotes from Jesus ) Its a no-no to add to Scripture , that include time gaps, and resurrections.

 

[Hitch]

regarding rapture that is an assumption I made.

Which I still believe to be correct BTW

 

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There is more than one resurrection: Two are referred to in Revelation 20, one prior to the 1,000 year reign of the Overcomers with their Lord, and one which follows.

The contradiction is clear I've already posted what the Lord taught regarding the resurrection , regarding rapture that is an assumption I made.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

4 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.



28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It is clearly stated that the Lord will return for His own at the end of this age. That has not been denied by me.

What Jesus clearly stated is directly above, as to this part: That has not been denied by me. This one had the look of a creeping strawman, a subtle change of subject, nice try.

Of course it should be no trouble for you to prove my error. All you need is to show how the quotes from JESUS CHRIST I posted fit your scheme, if its true to the Word it will be easy . (or ANY quotes from Jesus ) Its a no-no to add to Scripture , that include time gaps, and resurrections.

Hello @Hitch,

I have no desire to prove you wrong. I do not understand why you should feel that I stand opposed to you. I believe what the word of God says on the subject of resurrection.

* Paul said:-

' If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.'
(1 Corinthians 15:19)

* The Lord Jesus Christ said to His disciples:-

'And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,
and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.'
(Joh 14:3)

And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'
(Joh 6:40)

* Martha testimony and our Lord's reply:-

Jesus saith unto her, "Thy brother shall rise again."
Martha saith unto Him, "I know that He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said unto her," I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die.
Believest thou this?"
She saith unto Him, "Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ,
the Son of God, which should come into the world."
(Joh 11:23-27)

'Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'
(Joh 5:28)

'And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee:
for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.'
(Luk 14:14)

* The resurrection of the just, is that spoken of in Revelation 20:4-6, as the first resurrection, the second taking place at the close of the 1,000 year reign,:-

'And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.'
(Rev 20:4-6)

* There are other references concerning resurrection which must be considered, such as that found in the letters written by the Apostles, especially Paul, and each must be considered within their context, in regard to whom they apply and when they will take place.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Hitch]

* There are other references concerning resurrection which must be considered, such as that found in the letters written by the Apostles, and each must be considered within their context. That there is more than one resurrection is clear.

'Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'


(Joh 5:28)

for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

LOL Dont worry you can only prove yourself wrong as in your personally chosen text you have unashamedly contradicted Jesus again. for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and the Lord Himself defines ALL as the good and the evil.

 

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* There are other references concerning resurrection which must be considered, such as that found in the letters written by the Apostles, and each must be considered within their context. That there is more than one resurrection is clear.

'Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.'


(Joh 5:28)

for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

LOL Dont worry you can only prove yourself wrong as in your personally chosen text you have unashamedly contradicted Jesus again. for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and the Lord Himself defines ALL as the good and the evil.

Well @Hitch,

May your study of God's word be fruitful, and the love of God in Christ Jesus bring you all joy in believing as you trust in Him.

 

[Hitch]

Well @Hitch,

May your study of God's word be fruitful, and the love of God in Christ Jesus bring you all joy in believing as you trust in Him.

I have no desire to prove you wrong. I do not understand why you should feel that I stand opposed to you. I believe what the word of God says on the subject of resurrection.

* Paul said:-

' If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.'
(1 Corinthians 15:19)

* The Lord Jesus Christ said to His disciples:-

'And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,
and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.'

None of these support you position that in contrast to Jesus Christ you say the resurrection is well before the last day.

I have no desire to prove you wrong. I do not understand why you should feel that I stand opposed to you. I believe what the word of God says on the subject of resurrection.

The above is not true , proven ,as earlier, by quoting Jesus Christ :
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'

It is not me you oppose it is the Speaker in the above quote.

 

[Hitch]

* There are other references concerning resurrection which must be considered, such as that found in the letters written by the Apostles, especially Paul, and each must be considered within their context, in regard to whom they apply and when they will take place.

First no NT author can or will contradict what Jesus had already said Paul agrees :

n a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Last trump, at the last trump the dead are raised and the complete victory over the enemy is realized , the last enemy The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

You requirements are contrary to Paul as well How could death be finally destroyed if it is to remain in power through the 1,000 years ?

* The resurrection of the just, is that spoken of in

Then by definition these are unjust ;

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him

Sharing as they ALL do the promise of resurrection at the last day, spoken by an approved Authority on the matter.



Jesus saith unto her, "Thy brother shall rise again."
Martha saith unto Him, "I know that He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said unto her," I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die.
Believest thou this?"
She saith unto Him, "Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ,
the Son of God, which should come into the world."

Once again your personally chosen text and once again the resurrection is placed by CHRIST at the last day.

 

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Hello @Hitch,

I am sorry you have such a problem with these verses of Scripture.

There is no contradiction on my part, for all will occur at the end of this present age.

You really should consider these verses within their context.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

I am sorry you have such a problem with these verses of Scripture.

There is no contradiction on my part, for all will occur at the end of this present age.

You really should consider these verses within their context.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

You have no right or call to ever contradict Jesus Christ, and you can say black is white all day it doesnt change the reality.

 

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You have no right or call to ever contradict Jesus Christ, and you can say black is white all day it doesnt change the reality.

Hello @Hitch,

I have no desire to contradict the Lord Jesus Christ's words, nor have I ever done so.

Please stop being so foolish.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

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Hello @Hitch,

I am sorry you have such a problem with these verses of Scripture.

There is no contradiction on my part, for all will occur at the end of this present age.

You really should consider these verses within their context.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

As you quoted Jesus He said the resurrection was the last day. He is the Creator of all things He created the days weeks years etc. What is your understanding of His use of the term 'last day' ?

 

[Hitch]

Hello @Hitch,

I have no desire to contradict the Lord Jesus Christ's words, nor have I ever done so.

Please stop being so foolish.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

Foolish is contradicting Jesus Christ.


I have no desire to prove you wrong. I do not understand why you should feel that I stand opposed to you. I believe what the word of God says on the subject of resurrection.

The above is not true , proven ,as earlier, by quoting Jesus Christ :
And this is the will of Him that sent Me,
that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.'

It is not me you oppose it is the Speaker in the above quote.