Where is the respect?

[Ophel]

I see this as such:
God's chosen people are the descendants of Abraham. It does not matter their gender,social status or race. All of Abraham's descendants are promised eternal life.
We are not equal but we have equal opportunity for the promise in Christ.

Not really. It is talking about the Body if Christ.

 

[breakbread]

You must read the whole Scripture for a clear answer.

Colossians 3:18-19

• 18) Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19) Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

Ephesians 5:22-25

• 22) Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23) the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24) in everything to their husbands. 25) Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

 

[Ophel]

You must read the whole Scripture for a clear answer.

Yes, you must, but also prayerfully study, asking Holy Spirit to teach you.

 

[breakbread]

Yes, you must, but also prayerfully study, asking Holy Spirit to teach you.

Ephesians 5: 6-10
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Therefore do not be partakers with them;
you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord and the church.
...
[Ephesians 5:] 33 love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

 

[Ophel]

Ephesians 5: 6-10
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Therefore do not be partakers with them;
you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord and the church.
...
[Ephesians 5:] 33 love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

Yes, when the husband loves his wife as Christ loves the Church, then the wife's response to him is with respect.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yes, when the husband loves his wife as Christ loves the Church, then the wife's response to him is with respect.

Dear Sister just an observation on your above response.

The opposite of what you are saying then is also true. Meaning, is the husbands love conditional upon receiving the respect of the wife?

Otherwise by stating as you did that the woman is "then" to respond makes the woman's action dependent upon receiving the initial act of love from the husband. If this is then the case you are just reaffirming the position that the man is the lead and the woman secondary, because her actions are now predicated upon the man initiating his love before she is to respond.

Ephesians 5:33 might be better read as a simultaneous act. The use of the conjunction of "and" kind of leans in that direction.

The quote of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Matthew 7:12). Is most fitting to the married couple. We are now united and I believe seen in the eyes of God as being one (Genesis 2:24). I truly believe that when your behavior towards your spouse speaks of both the positive and negatives aspects of a relationship i.e. neglect, anger, abuse, love, pray, hug, laugh etc. You are likewise affecting yourself at the same time.

YBIC
C4E
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[Ophel]

The command is for the husband to love his wife sacrificially. The wife's command is to respect her husband. Both need to obey God. It is where either one disobeys that we have dysfunction and division, and general trouble.

It is incredibly difficult to respect someone who doesn't truly love you, just as it is difficult and troublesome to love someone in the way Christ does if one doesn't respect you. God is showing us what a good marriage is like---a well-oiled machine.

 

[B-A-C]

Sometimes it becomes easy to get caught up in a game of "tit for tat".

I'll do this for you, if you do that for me.
I won't do this for you, unless you do that for me.

Not a very good relationship.
If we're both waiting for the other to do something for us first... then not much is going to get done.

Husbands should should love their wives whether their wives respect them or not.
Wives should respect their husbands whether their husbands love them or not.

Those who are in a relationship only because of what they get out of it, are in the wrong kind of relationship.

 

[Brighthouse]

I c breakbread, You stated that we are not equal but only equal in opportunity? If we are not equal to begin with,then how can one have opportunity to ever become equal? Rom 12:3 Rom 2:11, Acts 10:34 If I was better then another to start with,how could any become equal to me? In truth sister they never could. While in the Church there is order( 1 Cor 14:40) The example of love, our HEAD in the church( Col 1:15-23) verse18! To prove equal, please look at a woman disciple( Acts 9:10-43) And a woman prophetess ( Luke 2:36-38) Not looking to debate this with you,just looking for you to consider.Blessing sister!

 

[Christ4Ever]

The command is for the husband to love his wife sacrificially. The wife's command is to respect her husband. Both need to obey God. It is where either one disobeys that we have dysfunction and division, and general trouble.

:thumbsup: This is one of the main reason "unequally yoked" creates an unbalance. (2 Corinthians 6:14)

It is incredibly difficult to respect someone who doesn't truly love you, just as it is difficult and troublesome to love someone in the way Christ does if one doesn't respect you. God is showing us what a good marriage is like---a well-oiled machine.

Difficult sister, but not impossible. Through Christ Jesus there will always be hope, because you've stepped out in faith!

I don't know about a well-oiled machine as an analogy!!! :laugh:
Because if it's a car......somebody will always want to be the driver and the other will always be telling the other how to get there!

With love dear sister.
YBIC
C4E
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[Ophel]

:thumbsup: This is one of the main reason "unequally yoked" creates an unbalance. (2 Corinthians 6:14)



Difficult sister, but not impossible. Through Christ Jesus there will always be hope, because you've stepped out in faith!

I don't know about a well-oiled machine as an analogy!!! :laugh:
Because if it's a car......somebody will always want to be the driver and the other will always be telling the other how to get there!

With love dear sister.
YBIC
C4E
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I am not about to argue my points. You make good points, as I have done.

 

[Chad]

This passage comes to mind as it covers so many issues happening now.

Romans‬ ‭1:18-32

“But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.

Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies.

They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.”

 

[Brighthouse]

Thanks very much for the correction!!

 

[Christ4Ever]

:thumbsup:
LU Brother!

 

[Ophel]

Thanks very much for the correction!!

What correction?

 

[Brighthouse]

I said brother instead of sis.

 

[rag4aCrown]

If you are married, reverance your husband. As a married woman seeks to please her husband, who is the head of the wife. Amen
An unmarried woman seeks to please her God; we reverance, and worship Him.

Be Christ like... we are spiritual beings.

The man is the head of the woman; as Christ is the Head of His Church.
He uses carnal examples to teach spiritual manifestation.
All praise glory and honor be unto God Amen

 

[Ophel]

1 Corinthians 11:3
But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

The use of the word, "head" is "kepha" which has an alternate meaning of "source or origin", and THIS is the meaning Paul used in this verse. Taking the typical interpretation, it would convey the false meaning that men in general have authority over women in general, and that somehow the Trinity is not an equal relationship of three Persons. So, when you understand that Paul is speaking of origin, then it all comes together:

The source of every man is Christ (our Creator), the source of every woman is man (Adam) Note that it doesn't say THE man! Then follows the truth that the source of Christ is God.

 

[rag4aCrown]

Where is the respect?

Does self respect God more than our self?
God doesn't have respector of persons and With God there is no respector of persons. Amen

So yes, where is the respect?
Why do we not put God above ALL things; even our own sensitivities and prejudices.

HE is my relationship. HE is my Head; He is my head and my heart.

How much longer? I know not; but that He shall come for me.
For He is in me, praise God, and I am in Him, and we go unto the Father. Yeah, Amen. There is work to do. We are professionals. Ambassadors of the KING; children of Royalty, clothed in Majesty, by the KING. Amen

You would never know it by seeing; but by hearing. Be kind to ALL, you never know when your in the presence of angels unawares. He maketh His angels spirit's and His ministers a flaming . Praise God.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Yes, where is the respect? We owe our lives to HIM.

Do to others, as we would do it unto the Lord. Even to the forward and evil master be humble and kind, not with eye service but according to the Word of God, we overcome evil with good.

Stay humble before Him and walk in the Spirit. God teaches us all things. Before He allows us to speak, we must learn to hear (Him) in all His creation.

Yes, respect God and only God. Amen. Who do you love?

 

[Bendito]

:coffee: NOT THIS WOMAN! :coffee:

Like I have said in another post - I AM ALL for having the man be the rock, the leader, the upper hand & the last word. Does that make me a weak, simple minded, feeble, needy & dependent woman NO! Being obedient & submissive is NOT & should NOT be viewed as weak. If ANYTHING it should be seen as a skilled talent Not many people can allow someone to take on responsibilities. To hear the word obey used to make my skin crawl. Now, It's an honor to hear. I used to say ALL THE TIME if a woman wants equal rights, she should be willing to take equal lefts too without folding.

God himself has said Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. He's said many other things too but this one sums it up without debate.

I think here is another example of taking one single verse out of the entire bible and building a doctrine on it. There is only one other verse in the entire book that lines up with this verse....Gen 3:16
In the Hebrew when God says the man will be head over his wife, He is simply saying he is first in order...God made Adam and then made Havah. Adam was first in order....thus is leader, not lord.
When God brought Abram and Sarah out of their land and idolatrous relatives to start a new theocracy with them He ordained Sarah, as was custom, head or matriarch, ruling head of the tribe. This means Abraham was head over Sarah, but Sarah was head over Abram and both were equal and both deferred to the other.
It's not this unequal, unbalanced and ungodly thing that Christians seem to love so much. Men and women are equals in all respects..Submitting ourselves one to another.
Jesus is head over the man, He rules with an iron fist? No! He gave and gave and gave and gave.....He submitted. Read all of this Ephesians 5:21-6:4 Jesus submits to meet our needs, the hugsband submits to meet his wife's needs. Each Christian submits to meet the needs of their brothers and sisters in Christ.....
Keep going....The bible is full of submitting and next to nothing on ruling over one another...

So then The husband gives an order, the wife submits and serves him.....The man goes to work, puts in his day, comes home to a wife who has been cleaning, caring for his kids, cooking meals shopping and whatnot..He sits his butt into a chair, reads his paper, yells at the kids to be quiet so he can rest from his day and then eats a wonderful meal with no real appreciation. He goes in to the livingroom to watch tv until bed time, then expects his wife to be a willing lover....NOT!!
Its past time this ungodly perversion of the Word is stopped and we line up with what God says!