Who And What Is A True Christian

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Well put,I'm adopting that one.
The cool thing about being the spirit man is that I am dancing around waiving my arms like a maniac rejoicing in the Lord while I make my flesh type this message and it's funny because he can't type and it takes so long for him to chicken peck a message out.
(there I go pushing the envelope again)

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I keep seeing more when I ponder This:
Asking God a question about His word is Good
Questioning God about His word is BAD,,,,,,, that is doubt
And this:
It's ok to say "if I fall" but not ok to say "when I fall",I feel that is making plans to fail.

I may not be able to say outright "I have no sin" because I might find something in me that leads to doubt or fear that I don't yet see.
Perhaps unforgiveness or wrongly judging.
So that agrees with the book of James.
It would be more accurate to say "I detect no sin" that I am making provision for.
And if my joy and confidence in my relationship with God is intact then my heart will not condemn me.
Then I am in the spirit and spirit time is eternal and "now" is eternal so walking in the spirit means living in the now.
I know when I'm in the "now" because I start to feel God's love and that gives me joy.
At that point I can say I am not a sinner.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Life is in the "now is"
Now faith is.
Now faith is the evidence.
Now faith is the evidence of things unseen.
Faith "is now"
The future can bring fear and the past can bring depression so stay in eternity now

Faith is also evidence of what and who a christian is.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I keep seeing more when I ponder This:

Asking God a question about His word is Good

Questioning God about His word is BAD,,,,,,, that is doubt

And this:

It's ok to say "if I fall" but not ok to say "when I fall",I feel that is making plans to fail.


I may not be able to say outright "I have no sin" because I might find something in me that leads to doubt or fear that I don't yet see.

Perhaps unforgiveness or wrongly judging.

So that agrees with the book of James.

It would be more accurate to say "I detect no sin" that I am making provision for.

And if my joy and confidence in my relationship with God is intact then my heart will not condemn me.

Then I am in the spirit and spirit time is eternal and "now" is eternal so walking in the spirit means living in the now.

I know when I'm in the "now" because I start to feel God's love and that gives me joy.

At that point I can say I am not a sinner.


John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Life is in the "now is"

Now faith is.

Now faith is the evidence.

Now faith is the evidence of things unseen.

Faith "is now"

The future can bring fear and the past can bring depression so stay in eternity now


Faith is also evidence of what and who a christian is.

TCH,
Faith can bring your future to you now. The things hoped for that are not yet seen can also be seen as things in the future or things God has for you.

Future is settled for we Know God has this......and will finish the good work He started in us.....past is just that past or life that should be forgotten. You actually can get so full of the word of God and Living in the ways of God that you can no longer even remember the past or identify with the past............Hence Paul said I have wronged no man...............Paul at that time new who he was in Christ to the point he did not identify with the person we know as saul..

Peoplelike to say I am just an old sinner saved by grace...........No I am not........Neither are you TCH......
We are either a sinner or saved by grace.........How can we be both ? The written word of God says we are an even as. Even as Christ, and was Christ an old sinner saved by grace ? NO ! How about 1John 4:17 ( even) AS Jesus Christ is now in Heaven, SO ARE WE here on Earth! .

We must grasp and KNOW who we are in Christ Jesus if we are going to walk as God has planned for us to walk from Glory to Glory
Weak Christians that do not know who they are in Christ and what authority has been given to us and knows how to make it work simply will not fulfill ther plan God has for their life...We must seek Him to find out what His plan is.....it doers not just happen.
This is what I am seeing........
Blessings
Jim

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Faith can bring your future to you now.

Yes.in faith we walk in the eternal spirit and he leads us in the paths(trajectory and momentum of his choice) of righteousness for his names sake.
It says paths because we start in different places.
Sin means missing the mark and it is actually an archery term.
It has to do with momentum and trajectory.

 

[RJ]

YES I Believe what ever it says in His word or the Bible simply because it is His word and the bibble

...so then you agree what it plainly says in John 15:5 then? Jesus produces the fruit and we only bear his fruit!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

...so then you agree what it plainly says in John 15:5 then? Jesus produces the fruit and we only bear his fruit!

How about Jesus or the word of God can produce fruit through us. Truly to bear or to produce is ther same. My apple tree produced good apples last year.........My apple tree bore good apples last year.......
We can do nothing of our selves.......it is the Father who worketh through us. Jesus is the Vine and we are the branch. This does not make the branch berar good fruit.. One can be saved or attached to the vine and not be walking in such a way the he or she is producing good fruit. It is not an automatic thing.

The more word that you get in you and allow His word to change you then the better the fruits that will be seen.
Blessings
Jim

 

[RJ]

How about Jesus or the word of God can produce fruit through us. Truly to bear or to produce is ther same.

Look, we can agree that Jesus is lord over our life.
But we can't come to an agreement that it is all about him and none of us. He get's all the glory; we produce nothing. If you think for even one millisecond that you had have something to do with any of this, you live in legalism, which is a sin.
You need to study what conclusion that Luther came to while in Jail and he could not go to confession, which was a mortal sin in those days. All he had was a Bible to read, and he finally realized the truth.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Look, we can agree that Jesus is lord over our life.
But we can't come to an agreement that it is all about him and none of us. He get's all the glory; we produce nothing. If you think for even one millisecond that you had have something to do with any of this, you live in legalism, which is a sin.
You need to study what conclusion that Luther came to while in Jail and he could not go to confession, which was a mortal sin in those days. All he had was a Bible to read, and he finally realized the truth.

RJ
It as been and always will be about Him !!
We have a lot to do with the fruits we produce. It is our obedience or disobedience. It is all about God or Jesus and Yes He is the vine and yet it is the Father working through us HOWEVER He is not a master puppeteer and we are not His puppets. We have to choose. We must do the actions that bring forth the fruit. We can not just go around doing what ever and see Jesus produce good fruits in us.

 

[RJ]

HOWEVER He is not a master puppeteer and we are not His puppets.

Never said that , Brother!

We can not just go around doing what ever and see Jesus produce good fruits in us.

Never said that either!

We must do the actions that bring forth the fruit

Yes!!!.....we "bringeth forth"...we bear the fruit that Jesus has already produce. You got it!!!:laugh:

Look brother, we are very close..just hung up on a technicality .
Jesus often talked in symbolism, allegories, parables. John 15:5 is basically an extended metaphor The main point of the image is clear enough: the intimate union of believers with Jesus. The disciple's very life depends on this union.
As branches, believers either bear fruit and are pruned to bear more fruit or do not bear fruit and are thrown away and burned.
Jesus said: "all good things come from above". If he is speaking the truth, then the converse is also true..." no bad things come from God".
It is his metaphor not mine...he produces the fruit , we just bear it.

At least try and look at it this way:

• We can do nothing good ( that counts with God) unless it is done with him in us.
• Even unbelievers do good things.....unfortunately it counts for nothing!..."without me in you , you can do nothing" (nothing that God credits us with)
• Remember, God credits us with righteousness, blamelessness and holiness. He does not say we are, as much has he credits us with those qualities because the one in us is!
• I know you think I am, but I am not arguing with you. Of course in this physical world, we will do some things to accomplish his desires. But, in the physical world these things are temporal and count for nothing......spiritually we bear his fruit....that is eternal.
• I don't know how else to explain it!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Never said that , Brother!

Never said that either!

Yes!!!.....we "bringeth forth"...we bear the fruit that Jesus has already produce. You got it!!!:laugh:

Look brother, we are very close..just hung up on a technicality .
Jesus often talked in symbolism, allegories, parables. John 15:5 is basically an extended metaphor The main point of the image is clear enough: the intimate union of believers with Jesus. The disciple's very life depends on this union.
As branches, believers either bear fruit and are pruned to bear more fruit or do not bear fruit and are thrown away and burned.
Jesus said: "all good things come from above". If he is speaking the truth, then the converse is also true..." no bad things come from God".
It is his metaphor not mine...he produces the fruit , we just bear it.

At least try and look at it this way:

• We can do nothing good ( that counts with God) unless it is done with him in us.
• Even unbelievers do good things.....unfortunately it counts for nothing!..."without me in you , you can do nothing" (nothing that God credits us with)
• Remember, God credits us with righteousness, blamelessness and holiness. He does not say we are, as much has he credits us with those qualities because the one in us is!
• I know you think I am, but I am not arguing with you. Of course in this physical world, we will do some things to accomplish his desires. But, in the physical world these things are temporal and count for nothing......spiritually we bear his fruit....that is eternal.
• I don't know how else to explain it!

Lets get one thing clear and on the table RJ........YOU said (( I know you think I am, but I am not arguing with you ))
I do not think or believe or feel or see have any notion that you are trying to argue. I don't roll like that ! :thumbsup:
So for all future debates, discussions, talks, post and replies..............remember we are simply talking back and forth and sometimes it gets a little difficult explaining something but this does not mean either of us is getting frustrated or upset.

Can YOU agree wit this ? I do Brother RJ.....What say YOU ?
Blessings
Jim