Who And What Is A True Christian

[Thiscrosshurts]

We are the new creature or creation in Christ.........the old has passed away..............Now then this does not say the flesh is not in us any more. We must buildup the spirit man. Feed the spirit and starve the flesh...........if the flesh is being fed more then you have what paul was saying........it is the sin in me that doeth these things........it is still you doing them.

Agreed,we ARE the spirit man.
I am the spirit man.
I am not the flesh,the flesh provokes me(the spirit man) to do it's bidding but I can send it away.
It sounds like you agreed with me all along.
I am the new creature,the old is dead and the stink bothers me.
What the Lord has made clean let no man call unclean.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@Thiscrosshurts
@RJ
Both of you have a very blessed and loving peaceful day. I am enjoying the fellowship with each other very much.
I need to go run a couple of erronds and I am looking forward to chatting later on with you both.
Thank You Guys........
God Bless
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Agreed,we ARE the spirit man.
I am the spirit man.
I am not the flesh,the flesh provokes me(the spirit man) to do it's bidding but I can send it away.
It sounds like you agreed with me all along.
I am the new creature,the old is dead and the stink bothers me.
What the Lord has made clean let no man call unclean.

The problem comes when what people have said gets twisted in a reply then some one else replies off of the twisted and it just goes on and on. rofl....Then out of the blue a revelation happens.....it is dicovered.........just playing there a little TCH but there is truth in it.
Have a great day
Jim

 

[RJ]

What is it that he realised he could not do any more ?

O.K. ......Deep Breathe..:thumbsup:
It has nothing to do with " what he realized he could no anymore"! It was that he could not stop what he was still doing.
Being a new "Born Again" person and with the awesome challenge of what God was revealing to him, he was struggling.
Everything that came from him, came from God. While he knew this, he was very aware of his short comings at the same time. Perhaps God gave them to him to keep him humble and relying on God. Perhaps God does this to us still. Nevertheless, he was upset because he could not be perfect. He knew what his mission was, the great honor and challenge that God was giving him...to preach and write the gospel, yet he still was messing up.

Actually, he always had messed up, only now he realized it and was concerned ( one of the marks of a Christian). He doesn't deliberate exactly what he was doing wrong, but it does not matter, what ever it was he realized it was sin. Elsewhere, he did say that, before Jesus, He did not know what covetousness was, much less that it was a sin, until he , now, realized that he coveted still.
If you want a direct answer to your question...I guess he realized that he could not stop sinning!

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

The problem comes when what people have said gets twisted in a reply then some one else replies off of the twisted and it just goes on and on. rofl....Then out of the blue a revelation happens.....it is dicovered.........just playing there a little TCH but there is truth in it.

I must admit that put a smile on my face.
And I will admit that I push the envelope of understanding into areas that I have seen few others tread.
I actually need the best possible arguments I can find against my own position because I can test my own understanding only so far.
After that I have to find someone who knows their field of study as good or better than me to test my position.
You guys are the best along with some others here.I hope I have provoked each of you to navigate the word a little faster,a little more efficiently.
Because your challenges provoke me to prove my self to myself and I know in my heart that God finds zeal for the truth acceptable.
We are the gnat strainers but we quit swallowing camels at some point.
I would never challenge a camel swallower,no,only gnat strainers.
Do know what a gnat can do to a fuel injector?
I don't know how many cylinders God gave me but I want them all firing.

 

[Travis]

I have faith that when I see God at Judgement, he will take one look ,see the Holy Spirit in me and say: 'Well done, my good and faithful servant".
Only God can look into you and see the Holy Spirit; only God can say who and what is a True Christian! God deposited him there and only God can see him!

It's incredibly easy to assume one is a Christian. Especially in modern American Evangelicalism, amongst other groups. The scriptures tell us to examine ourselves to see whether we are in the faith or not. It's not a: I think so, Hope so, Maybe so kind of thing. If you don't have assurance of salvation, if you aren't 110% sure you belong to the God of the universe, you should be seeking him out as diligently as you possibly can. The scriptures lay out for us what it should look like to be born again, to have the Spirit of God move in you, regenerate you, to cause you to be a new person in Christ Jesus. We should never settle for anything less, never. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian. Praying to "God" doesn't make you a Christian. Being born into a Christian home doesn't make you a Christian. Hanging out with Jesus night and day for 3 years doesn't even make you a Christian (Ask Judas). Do you love the light, and hate the darkness? There is a darkness which appears to be light, but really is not, do you hate that? If you can't honestly say that this is true about you, you either aren't born again and you should seek God with repentance, or you are born again and you have little to no assurance of that fact because you aren't walking in the light of His truth. Either way you should be seeking God, the giver of Light.

Blessings,

Travis


While Dead In Trespasses I Lie

1 WHILE dead in trespasses I lie,
Thy quickening spirit give;
Call me, thou Son of God, that I
May hear thy voice and live.

2 While, full of anguish and disease
My weak distempered soul
Thy love compassionately sees,
O let it make me whole!

3 Cast out thy foes, and let them still
To Jesu's name submit;
Clothe with thy righteousness, and heal
And place me at thy feet.

4 To Jesu's name if all things now
A trembling homage pay,
O let my stubborn spirit bow,
My stiff-necked will obey!

5 Impotent, dumb, and deaf, and blind,
And sick, and poor I am,
But sure a remedy to find
For all in Jesu's name.

6 I know in thee all fulness dwells,
And all for wretched man;
Fill every want my spirit feels,
And break off every chain.

7 If thou impart thyself to me,
No other good I need;
If thou, the Son, shalt make me free,
I shall be free indeed.

8 I cannot rest till in thy blood
I full redemption have;
But thou, through whom I come to God,
Canst to the utmost save.

9 From sin, the guilt, the power, the pain,
Thou wilt redeem my soul;
Lord, I believe, and not in vain,
My faith shall make me whole.

10 I too with thee shall walk in white,
With all thy saints shall prove
What is the length, and breadth, and height,
And depth of perfect love.

Charles Wesley

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Actually, he always had messed up, only now he realized it and was concerned ( one of the marks of a Christian). He doesn't deliberate exactly what he was doing wrong, but it does not matter, what ever it was he realized it was sin. Elsewhere, he did say that, before Jesus, He did not know what covetousness was, much less that it was a sin, until he , now, realized that he coveted still.
If you want a direct answer to your question...I guess he realized that he could not stop sinning!

Nice work
I came to those same conclusions.
The only answer is "be gone stinky one",and let God live through me and the light of God will cause the stinky one to writhe and scream and send his demon friends to make me sick and if God protects me they may go after my loved ones and I will have an opportunity to actually start to pray for others.

Jesus said we are clean because of the word he had spoken.
Our job is to believe in the one whom God sent
God sent his word-I believe
The word he had spoken made me clean-I believe.
He who is clean only needs his feet washed-I believe
Blessed are the feet of those who preach the gospel.
We are seated with him In heaven
Heaven is his throne.
The earth is his footstool
He said,"Sit with me until I make your enemies your footstool".

I think we on this earth have an opportunity to be footstool makers who's feet may get dirty occasionally because they are conquering a dirty environment.
In a way we are his feet.

 

[RJ]

if you aren't 110% sure you belong to the God of the universe,

I have that assurance from Christ in me!

 

[Travis]

I have that assurance from Christ in me!

: ) you don't have to convince me

I wasn't speaking directly to you though, but to the readers in general.

Blessings,

Travis

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It's incredibly easy to assume one is a Christian. Especially in modern American Evangelicalism, amongst other groups. The scriptures tell us to examine ourselves to see whether we are in the faith or not. It's not a: I think so, Hope so, Maybe so kind of thing. If you don't have assurance of salvation, if you aren't 110% sure you belong to the God of the universe, you should be seeking him out as diligently as you possibly can. The scriptures lay out for us what it should look like to be born again, to have the Spirit of God move in you, regenerate you, to cause you to be a new person in Christ Jesus. We should never settle for anything less, never. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian. Praying to "God" doesn't make you a Christian. Being born into a Christian home doesn't make you a Christian. Hanging out with Jesus night and day for 3 years doesn't even make you a Christian (Ask Judas). Do you love the light, and hate the darkness? There is a darkness which appears to be light, but really is not, do you hate that? If you can't honestly say that this is true about you, you either aren't born again and you should seek God with repentance, or you are born again and you have little to no assurance of that fact because you aren't walking in the light of His truth. Either way you should be seeking God, the giver of Light.

Blessings,

Travis


While Dead In Trespasses I Lie

1 WHILE dead in trespasses I lie,
Thy quickening spirit give;
Call me, thou Son of God, that I
May hear thy voice and live.

2 While, full of anguish and disease
My weak distempered soul
Thy love compassionately sees,
O let it make me whole!

3 Cast out thy foes, and let them still
To Jesu's name submit;
Clothe with thy righteousness, and heal
And place me at thy feet.

4 To Jesu's name if all things now
A trembling homage pay,
O let my stubborn spirit bow,
My stiff-necked will obey!

5 Impotent, dumb, and deaf, and blind,
And sick, and poor I am,
But sure a remedy to find
For all in Jesu's name.

6 I know in thee all fulness dwells,
And all for wretched man;
Fill every want my spirit feels,
And break off every chain.

7 If thou impart thyself to me,
No other good I need;
If thou, the Son, shalt make me free,
I shall be free indeed.

8 I cannot rest till in thy blood
I full redemption have;
But thou, through whom I come to God,
Canst to the utmost save.

9 From sin, the guilt, the power, the pain,
Thou wilt redeem my soul;
Lord, I believe, and not in vain,
My faith shall make me whole.

10 I too with thee shall walk in white,
With all thy saints shall prove
What is the length, and breadth, and height,
And depth of perfect love.

Charles Wesley

Nice Read Travis,
I believe there will be a lot of people in for a shock when they stand before the Father. Having Jesus Blood covering you is a must yes - HOWEVER what did you do with what I gave you ? How did you stack up against the plan I had for your life ? Lots of things such as this we will be judged by and Yes the blood gets us through but for some.........shew they cut it mighty close....
Nice to see you again Travis
God Bless
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I have that assurance from Christ in me!

Thats awesome Brother RJ and yet just being born again will not get us " well done my faithful servant"
What will get those words spoken over us will be our life in the here and now. Did we seek His plan for our life and actually do it? Did we live according to His word and make a difference and simply put were we obedient to fulfill the things He asked us to do?
Blessings
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

O.K. ......Deep Breathe..:thumbsup:
It has nothing to do with " what he realized he could no anymore"! It was that he could not stop what he was still doing.
Being a new "Born Again" person and with the awesome challenge of what God was revealing to him, he was struggling.
Everything that came from him, came from God. While he knew this, he was very aware of his short comings at the same time. Perhaps God gave them to him to keep him humble and relying on God. Perhaps God does this to us still. Nevertheless, he was upset because he could not be perfect. He knew what his mission was, the great honor and challenge that God was giving him...to preach and write the gospel, yet he still was messing up.

Actually, he always had messed up, only now he realized it and was concerned ( one of the marks of a Christian). He doesn't deliberate exactly what he was doing wrong, but it does not matter, what ever it was he realized it was sin. Elsewhere, he did say that, before Jesus, He did not know what covetousness was, much less that it was a sin, until he , now, realized that he coveted still.
If you want a direct answer to your question...I guess he realized that he could not stop sinning!

Thank You RJ,
I simply was not sure how you meant what you wrote. It could have been taken several ways and I wanted to be sure.
Blessings
jim

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Thank You RJ,
I simply was not sure how you meant what you wrote. It could have been taken several ways and I wanted to be sure.

You coaxed an excellent post out of him.
I can relate to the struggle and came to the conclusion that I will give darkness a place to work if I think I will sin in the future.
No,it's not ok to give provision and willful place to the enemy.
I might die in the next minute and I'm not in sin so I will make no plans or provision for future failure.
Saying I will sin again is divining the future for evil.
It's ok to say "if I fall" but not ok to say "when I fall",I feel that is making plans to fail.

Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them in the light.

Edit:Ok,it's been 3 minutes since I posted that and I'm still alive so I'll just keep rejoicing in the Lord.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You coaxed an excellent post out of him.
I can relate to the struggle and came to the conclusion that I will give darkness a place to work if I think I will sin in the future.
No,it's not ok to give provision and willful place to the enemy.
I might die in the next minute and I'm not in sin so I will make no plans or provision for future failure.
Saying I will sin again is divining the future for evil.
It's ok to say "if I fall" but not ok to say "when I fall",I feel that is making plans to fail.

Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them in the light.

Edit:Ok,it's been 3 minutes since I posted that and I'm still alive so I'll just keep rejoicing in the Lord.

Amen TCH,
The words we speak loose things.........( Do you mind if I write TCH ? alot faster lol )
Rejoice in the Lord ALWAYS.....not once in awhile or when you can or remember too. Oh No Always.
Just like in Mark 11:25 .........when we stand praying.....FORGIVE IF YE HAVE AUGHT AGAINST ANY.....
I stopped right there to make my point.......This does not say if they earn it or act remorseful or if we feel like it. I mean come on now excuses like but you do not understand what they did to me - simply wont cut it. It is Right here and right now.....
Ever notice God is a right now kind of God ?

If more Christians would grasp how much easier life is if they simply would not sweat the small stuff AND not take hold of offences.
I mean some folks major on offences.....
Blessings
Brother...
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You coaxed an excellent post out of him.
I can relate to the struggle and came to the conclusion that I will give darkness a place to work if I think I will sin in the future.
No,it's not ok to give provision and willful place to the enemy.
I might die in the next minute and I'm not in sin so I will make no plans or provision for future failure.
Saying I will sin again is divining the future for evil.
It's ok to say "if I fall" but not ok to say "when I fall",I feel that is making plans to fail.

Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them in the light.

Edit:Ok,it's been 3 minutes since I posted that and I'm still alive so I'll just keep rejoicing in the Lord.

You coaxed an excellent post out of him.
Sometimes you have to just to know what is being said or not said... I wont guesssssssssss !
lol

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Amen TCH,
The words we speak loose things.........( Do you mind if I write TCH ? alot faster lol )
Rejoice in the Lord ALWAYS.....not once in awhile or when you can or remember too. Oh No Always.
Just like in Mark 11:25 .........when we stand praying.....FORGIVE IF YE HAVE AUGHT AGAINST ANY.....
I stopped right there to make my point.......This does not say if they earn it or act remorseful or if we feel like it. I mean come on now excuses like but you do not understand what they did to me - simply wont cut it. It is Right here and right now.....
Ever notice God is a right now kind of God ?

TCH is fine,I really don't like my username name but it represents what I was going through as I was
trying to be love to people around me and learned that love gets stepped on a lot.
So your FORGIVE message rings in me.

If I find rejoicing is a struggle then I know I am in fear and not trusting his promises.
I never plan to do that to him again.

"Ever notice God is a right now kind of God ?"
Well,yes
My explanation of "now" being eternal with no beginning and no end is what caused the confusion to start with.
Maybe if you read it again thoughtfully you might understand what I meant by "if I am not sinning now then I am not sinning for eternity".
Eternity means no beginning and no end,always was and always will be.
I hope it is at least thought provoking.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

TCH is fine,I really don't like my username name but it represents what I was going through as I was
trying to be love to people around me and learned that love gets stepped on a lot.
So your FORGIVE message rings in me.

If I find rejoicing is a struggle then I know I am in fear and not trusting his promises.
I never plan to do that to him again.

"Ever notice God is a right now kind of God ?"
Well,yes
My explanation of "now" being eternal with no beginning and no end is what caused the confusion to start with.
Maybe if you read it again thoughtfully you might understand what I meant by "if I am not sinning now then I am not sinning for eternity".
Eternity means no beginning and no end,always was and always will be.
I hope it is at least thought provoking.

TCH,
I kind of had an idea what you were saying but have gotten used to so many other views I wanted to get you to explain it to me or rather how you were meaning everything about that phrase ! Now it is up there and others can benefit from it.

I see Faith in your words and writing and this blesses me big time. Lots of folks feel faith in not something we need or build up.
Faith is key to not only pleaseing God but overcoming and walking from glory to glory. Oh and been there done that.....learning that walking in love can some times be a tad painful. lol However it is not only a command but it also simply pleases ther Father and that is something I want to do as I know you do as well.
God Bless
jim

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Faith is key to not only pleaseing God but overcoming and walking from glory to glory. Oh and been there done that.....learning that walking in love can some times be a tad painful. lol However it is not only a command but it also simply pleases ther Father and that is something I want to do as I know you do as well.

Agreed,I no longer struggle with those um wrong ways of acting that can be seen on the outside
but fear and doubt is knocking at the door and windows saying"look at me".
I have seen God move in my defense when I don't defend myself so I know his promises are true so why do.....Stop right there
Why is another enemy who takes commands from doubt.
I am training myself to ask for wisdom instaed of "why"
Obviously "why" means I lack wisdom on the matter and we know we are to ask for wisdom.
Yes,I am straining gnats but I am not swallowing camels anymore.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Agreed,I no longer struggle with those um wrong ways of acting that can be seen on the outside
but fear and doubt is knocking at the door and windows saying"look at me".
I have seen God move in my defense when I don't defend myself so I know his promises are true so why do.....Stop right there
Why is another enemy who takes commands from doubt.
I am training myself to ask for wisdom instaed of "why"
Obviously "why" means I lack wisdom on the matter and we know we are to ask for wisdom.
Yes,I am straining gnats but I am not swallowing camels anymore.

You said ....
Why is another enemy who takes commands from doubt.
I am training myself to ask for wisdom instaed of "why"

Man you hit the nail right ion the head with that one.
Asking God a question about His word is Good
Questioning God about His word is BAD,,,,,,, that is doubt

Example........Scripture tells us Jesus was born of a virgin.........I can ask what virgin.....where and when and so forth......
I can NOT question His word..........was Jesus really born of a virgin ? That is doubting His written word and we both know where doubt comes from and what it does in a believers life.

Bottom line.........YES I Believe what ever it says in His word or the Bible simply because it is His word and the bibble....I am a BELIEVER......as are YOU TCH !!
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[Thiscrosshurts]

Asking God a question about His word is Good
Questioning God about His word is BAD,,,,,,, that is doubt

Well put,I'm adopting that one.
The cool thing about being the spirit man is that I am dancing around waiving my arms like a maniac rejoicing in the Lord while I make my flesh type this message and it's funny because he can't type and it takes so long for him to chicken peck a message out.
(there I go pushing the envelope again)