who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?

[Downunder]

I will check this out with Jesus after I meet him - it is on my list of many questions.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Your bible says that...or it would if it was written in Hebrew.
Tohu wa -bohu, Earth “Was” or “Became,” Waste and Void?

By Rob Robinson on July 29, 2014 • ( 3 )

The Original Hebrew Reveals What God Is Saying In the Creation Of The Universe

When we conduct a serious study in the correct usage of the Hebrew language, we find that Genesis Chapter 1 verse 1, was not written as a collection of verses which describe the original creation of God.


The sentence, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” is an ending to God’s description of the creation of the universe. If it was intended as a part of God’s summary of the entire creation, then the second verse—”The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters”—would have been the beginning of the description of this creation. It is not. Verse 2 is a completely separate and distinct subject.

We See A Clear Example Of This In Genesis Chapter 5:

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.


Genesis 5:2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.


Notice that the first verse of Genesis 5, “This is the book of the genealogy of Adam,” is immediately followed by the connecting words: “In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.” Notice that the second verse does not give us any details of the preceding verse, but is a separate and distinct event: “He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.”


We do not see this as clearly in the English translation of Genesis 1:1-2 as it is apparent in the original Hebrew translation.


“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”


bə·rê·šîṯ ’ĕ·lō·hîm bā·rā ’êṯ haš·šā·ma·yim wə·’êṯ hā·’ā·reṣ


Hebrew reads from right to left. Starting with the preposition “In,” which is always attached to the feminine noun “beginning.” This tells us that this is the original creation of the heavens and the earth, that is being spoken here as a separate and distinct event from all that follows. Also, it is worth noting that the word “Elohim” is plural, a compound unity of God. This is to say that God is One, but made up of more than one person.


The second verse is clearly intended as a separate and distinct statement about an event which took place at great distance from the original creation.


“The earth was or became without form, and void;


wə·hā·’ā·reṣ hā·yə·ṯāh ṯō·hū wā·ḇō·hū,


The term “without form, and void” is preceded by the Hebrew word ha-ye-ta, which has been translate “was.” There is some evidence that ha-ye-ta could also be correctly translated as “became.”




This appears to be solely for the sake of convenience in proving that Genesis 1:2 is stating that the earth was in a state of formlessness, rather than something occurred which caused it to become formless and void.


Genesis 1:2 The earth was (hayeta) without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.


Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back behind him, and she became (hayeta) a pillar of salt.


A point certain—since the Hebrew word hayeta may be translated as “became” in the context of Lot’s wife; it can also certainly be translated as “became,” in Genesis 1:2. You will read from some scholars that the Hebrew does not allow for the translation “became formless and void,” but this is simply not true. There are just as many Hebrew scholars who will adamantly declare that the Hebrew demands the translation “became.”


Sorry for the delay there....uh...no I'm not. I went out to play for a while...Not much strength right now so it was fairly short. LOL

I've read that the word hayah means 'become' only when it is followed by the preposition le of the Hebrew. The word "le" is not present in the Genesis 1 narrative, but then again I'm not a Hebraic scholar, so my opinion is irrelevant on Hebrew syntax. Safe to say there's lots we don't know, especially in the beginning.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I've read that the word hayah means 'become' only when it is followed by the preposition le of the Hebrew. The word "le" is not present in the Genesis 1 narrative, but then again I'm not a Hebraic scholar, so my opinion is irrelevant on Hebrew syntax. Safe to say there's lots we don't know, especially in the beginning.

I learned this from Chuck Missler who was as close to genius anyone I know....I believe him....

Why don't you pray and ask God about this one?

2 Peter 3:5-7
5 But, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by God’s Word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters, 6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed. 7 It is by that same Word that the present heavens and earth, having been preserved, are being kept for fire until the Day of Judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.

A reference to the first world? Before Genesis 1:3?

During Noah's flood, the Earth was not destroyed. It was drowned but gave life again when the waters receded.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Admon -- there was no world prior to Genesis 1:3 We are simply being told that In the beginning God did create the heavens and the earth -- It was without form -- it was void. So God began His creative work. There are those who want to put a Gap Theory in. There simply isnt one.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

@ Admon -- there was no world prior to Genesis 1:3 We are simply being told that In the beginning God did create the heavens and the earth -- It was without form -- it was void. So God began His creative work. There are those who want to put a Gap Theory in. There simply isnt one.

How are you so sure Sue? I know that you were not there... LOL I'm just as sure that there was as you are that there was not...

 

[Sue D.]

Why try fit things into Scripture that arent there. Godś Word is not meant to be a sci-fi book. There are those who want to adjust creation to theistic evolution.

 

[Sue D.]

Chuck Missler is but a mere human -- no doubt a smart man -- but everyone has his own adgenda. A Gap Theory leaves too much room for mans agenda. Our imaginations can fill in gaps that arent really there.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I see now

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I've read that the word hayah means 'become' only when it is followed by the preposition le of the Hebrew. The word "le" is not present in the Genesis 1 narrative, but then again I'm not a Hebraic scholar, so my opinion is irrelevant on Hebrew syntax. Safe to say there's lots we don't know, especially in the beginning.

Why try fit things into Scripture that arent there. Godś Word is not meant to be a sci-fi book. There are those who want to adjust creation to theistic evolution.

Nobody is trying to 'fit things into scripture' I showed a scripture that may show a world before Adam....You explain it then Sue....The scripture is posted above. Whether or not there was a preAdamic world or not has nothing to do with our salvation but I do believe the bible refers to it.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Why try fit things into Scripture that arent there. Godś Word is not meant to be a sci-fi book. There are those who want to adjust creation to theistic evolution.

Hi Sue,

I agree we can't add to or take from God's preserved WORD; we have what we have and it is presumptuous for us to think we know any more than what God has revealed to us. However, there are times that I do wonder if the 66 Books we have is all God intended us to rely on. The Bible (66 Books we currently rely on) mentions other Books that we don't rely upon because a committee of men decided them either non-canonical or the Books are no longer in existence or still hidden somewhere waiting to be found. For example: Jasher mentioned in Joshua, 1 Samuel, and 2 Timothy; War of the Lord mentioned in Numbers; chronicles of the Kings of Judah; Shemaiah the Prophet; Gad; Jehu; Ahijah; Enoch, Jannes and Jambres; Epistle to the Laodiceans; and Pauls missing letter to the Corinthians, the Apocryphal Books that were originally part of the King James Bible, just to name a few. I would love to read all of those Books that are lost. Reading the Book of Enoch is a mind-bend.

It could very well be that God did not intend any of those books for our edification, or perhaps HE did and is just waiting for the right time to guide us into inclusion.

Either way, I am not at all unsure that God's word as we know it today is sufficient for all to get to know God and love God more each day the way HE knows and loves us.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I know that it's difficult for some people to change or modify their beliefs...fortunately, this is not a subject of vital import. Its more of a curiosity.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I know that it's difficult for some people to change or modify their beliefs...fortunately, this is not a subject of vital import. Its more of a curiosity.

Brother,

We all have thoughts on what it must have been like in the beginning - the very beginning. Some things are just off the charts out of this world when you think about it. When I think of the shared DNA of plants and animals, including humans, I'm in awe. But, it's no wonder we share DNA since we are from the same earth and created by the same one true God.

 

[Reba1]

IF one can believe John 3:16 by faith and completely why should Genesis be any different ?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

IF one can believe John 3:16 by faith and completely why should Genesis be any different ?

LOL Good point Reba

 

[Sue D.]

@JerryfromMass --Iḿ having to use my old laptop presently -- my ŕeal computer has to be fixed. This key board is harder to use. But Regarding the books of the Bible.

The RCC has had their Catholic Bible with all the books included. And lots of books were taken out and we have ended up with the 66 books we now have. But there are reasons for that. If youĺl Google the subject -- there are a list of criteria by which the 66 books are determined to be the actually inspired books. And yes, the book of Jasher is mentioned a couple of times in the Old Testament. It has been stated that the books Not included have mythology mixed in. That they do not have the same quality as the inspired books do. In fact, the book of Hebrews and I think, James almost were not included -- but over time, the impact that those books had on people caused them to be included. And the subject of purgatory comes from a verse in one of those other books. And that teaching does not match up with the rest of Scripture. And some of the books are Gnostic Gospels. False gospel. The finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls was probably the most important finding of all.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

@JerryfromMass --Iḿ having to use my old laptop presently -- my ŕeal computer has to be fixed. This key board is harder to use. But Regarding the books of the Bible.

The RCC has had their Catholic Bible with all the books included. And lots of books were taken out and we have ended up with the 66 books we now have. But there are reasons for that. If youĺl Google the subject -- there are a list of criteria by which the 66 books are determined to be the actually inspired books. And yes, the book of Jasher is mentioned a couple of times in the Old Testament. It has been stated that the books Not included have mythology mixed in. That they do not have the same quality as the inspired books do. In fact, the book of Hebrews and I think, James almost were not included -- but over time, the impact that those books had on people caused them to be included. And the subject of purgatory comes from a verse in one of those other books. And that teaching does not match up with the rest of Scripture. And some of the books are Gnostic Gospels. False gospel. The finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls was probably the most important finding of all.

Plus....The Bible has been written according to a specific formula...Its completely based on seven...That is the original, not the King James or RCC bible. Everything is divisible by 7 Enoch, and Jasher and the other books that are good reads too, are not written by that formula...the number of words, the number of letters, the number of chapters, the number of periods, commas, sentences..all of it...

I am curious though,,,what myths in Enoch or Jasher? They're history books

 

[Sue D.]

@ Admon -- actually Scripture has been given to us by inspiration. God inspired men through the Holy Spirit to write what they were directed to write.

I meant ǵenerally speaking. They contain Godś Words Plus.ẃhatever.

The number 7 Is that of çompletion --- the King James version was compiled by a number of groups of numbers of people. The Greek / Hebrew texts plus another one of the already printed Bibles. There is a book that a person can get that explains the hows and whyś.

The King James version we have now has been up-dated. Revised.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

@ Admon -- actually Scripture has been given to us by inspiration. God inspired men through the Holy Spirit to write what they were directed to write.

I meant ǵenerally speaking. They contain Godś Words Plus.ẃhatever.

The number 7 Is that of çompletion --- the King James version was compiled by a number of groups of numbers of people. The Greek / Hebrew texts plus another one of the already printed Bibles. There is a book that a person can get that explains the hows and whyś.

The King James version we have now has been up-dated. Revised.

Yes And...?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Plus....The Bible has been written according to a specific formula...Its completely based on seven...That is the original, not the King James or RCC bible. Everything is divisible by 7 Enoch, and Jasher and the other books that are good reads too, are not written by that formula...the number of words, the number of letters, the number of chapters, the number of periods, commas, sentences..all of it...

I am curious though,,,what myths in Enoch or Jasher? They're history books

You do know that chapters don't exist in the manuscripts? The ms are mostly one long run-on sentence with very little punctuation.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You do know that chapters don't exist in the manuscripts? The ms are mostly one long run-on sentence with very little punctuation.

I've read the Book of Enoch twice and I've seen no myths.. And please don't tell me that a myth is just a female moth. I already know that...