Why Christians Are Not Ashamed of Their Sin?

[B-A-C]

I noticed something I would like to better understand. If Jesus did not die for future sins as some seem to believe, then how in the world can our sins be forgiven??

1. He died for everyone's sins. All their sins. But yet everyone won't be saved... why is that?
2. What do you think repentance means? Is it required for forgiveness?
3. Am I forgiven if I never ask for forgiveness?

Please provide scriptures for your answers.

 

[joestue]

I noticed something I would like to better understand. If Jesus did not die for future sins as some seem to believe, then how in the world can our sins be forgiven?? We had a good brother in our Church believe this, and I asked him the same question, he could not answer it, can anyone tell me?? He said Well if we repent then our future sins are forgiven, but this goes against the very word of God! (Hebews 10:16-18) among so many other scriptures! We cannot save another, only Jesus can!

Its a rather simple problem, if future sins are forgiven then we have eternal security and are free to suicide.

I tend to believe sins are forgiven after we ask for forgiveness. Not before.

To what extent this affects the heaven or hell problem to be honest i dont know.

It maybe that you are are still saved from hell but a less favorable outcome after the judgement.

 

[Bill]

I noticed something I would like to better understand. If Jesus did not die for future sins as some seem to believe, then how in the world can our sins be forgiven?? We had a good brother in our Church believe this, and I asked him the same question, he could not answer it, can anyone tell me?? He said Well if we repent then our future sins are forgiven, but this goes against the very word of God! (Hebews 10:16-18) among so many other scriptures! We cannot save another, only Jesus can!

Christ made it possible for us to be forgiven.

Repentence of our sin is the way we allow God to forgive us.

 

[Bill]

1. He died for everyone's sins. All their sins. But yet everyone won't be saved... why is that?
2. What do you think repentance means? Is it required for forgiveness?
3. Am I forgiven if I never ask for forgiveness?

Please provide scriptures for your answers.

How can you say, " not everyone will be saved?

It is not that God "wants" them to not be saved. As i already know God loves all of His creation, and wants all of mankind to come to Him.

But He also created us not to be robots. We are created as eternal beings, with souls, and to think and reason. He wants us to freely love Him, our creator.

It will go worse for us, Christians, who begrudge others. Who condemn others who do not think like us. Chritians claim to follow Christ, but cannot see Christ in others not of our faith.

 

[Bill]

How can you say, " not everyone will be saved?

It is not that God "wants" them to not be saved. As i already know God loves all of His creation, and wants all of mankind to come to Him.

But He also created us not to be robots. We are created as eternal beings, with souls, and to think and reason. He wants us to freely love Him, our creator.

It will go worse for us, Christians, who begrudge others. Who condemn others who do not think like us. Chritians claim to follow Christ, but cannot see Christ in others not of our faith.

A Hindu man, who stands before a gunman saving the life of others, and he himself dies.

A Buddism, who saves another from drowning.

An athiest, in a warzone saves ten others by throwing himself on a bomb.

All these things, heroic, yes. But Christ is there too.

A man sees an old lady shoveling the walk, he parks his car, gets out and shovels it for her.

You see, it is the compassion, the love of God coming forth. Faith is nothing by itself. By itself, faith is dead. But faith in action is Christ working thru you

 

[brighthouse98]

We allow??? Eph 2:8-9!!! You are in serious error brother!!

 

[Christ4Ever]

I noticed something I would like to better understand. If Jesus did not die for future sins as some seem to believe, then how in the world can our sins be forgiven?? We had a good brother in our Church believe this, and I asked him the same question, he could not answer it, can anyone tell me?? He said Well if we repent then our future sins are forgiven, but this goes against the very word of God! (Hebews 10:16-18) among so many other scriptures! We cannot save another, only Jesus can!

Dear Brother,
God is in the "Now". Meaning that past, present, future is to Him "Now".
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day [is] as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8 NKJV
So, that in Grace, our repentance is always "Now" to God, or it is not.

We are too worried about the what ifs of tomorrow or the next moment, instead of just dealing with today, or the Now!

"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day [is] its own trouble. Matthew 6:34 NKJV

5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete [it] until the day of Jesus Christ; 7 just as it is right for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as both in my chains and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers with me of grace. Philippians 1:5-7 NKJV

I hope this helps you some.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Curtis]

How can a man confess sin(s) that he has no knowledge of?

 

[joestue]

How can a man confess sin(s) that he has no knowledge of?

You cant, that's why it takes so long to become perfect, you have to root out all the corruption incurred since birth

 

[lentz]

You cant, that's why it takes so long to become perfect, you have to root out all the corruption incurred since birth

There is no way a 68 year old man can remember every sin he committed.
When you accept Christ all those past sins are forgiven and forgotten by God.
If I read your reply correctly

 

[joestue]

There is no way a 68 year old man can remember every sin he committed.
When you accept Christ all those past sins are forgiven and forgotten by God.
If I read your reply correctly

The sin may be forgiven but the effects remain until you change your ways.

Its like quitting smoking. I've only smoked maybe a dozen cigs in my life, most of them hand rolled with a friend, but i would say it took a solid 3 years to forget holding a cig in my fingers, everytime i put something in my mouth similar to a cig, such as a pen or pencil.

For example, it was 8 years after what i would identify as salvation, i was made aware in a dream of a curse of powerlessness from the womb, which i overcame in 2020.

Had i known of and dealt with these matters 8 years prior, my life would have been significantly different, and there appears to be a good reason why i didnt know these matters earlier.

It is possible i had a relationship with God around age 4 to 6, but i dont remember anything from prior to age 8. I started asking God what to do at age 24

 

[lentz]

The sin may be forgiven but the effects remain until you change your ways.

Its like quitting smoking. I've only smoked maybe a dozen cigs in my life, most of them hand rolled with a friend, but i would say it took a solid 3 years to forget holding a cig in my fingers, everytime i put something in my mouth similar to a cig, such as a pen or pencil.

For example, it was 8 years after what i would identify as salvation, i was made aware in a dream of a curse of powerlessness from the womb, which i overcame in 2020.

Had i known of and dealt with it 8 years prior, my life would have been significantly different.

I can see a number of things here.
Memory is a good thing,given by God to not repeat sins.

If you feel smoking is a sin for you,then you should not do it.
It’s not sin for me,as I am enjoying a pipe as I type this.

Paul said it best about past sins….”leaving those things behind and pressing toward the mark….”

 

[Curtis]

Jesus said......

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

It seems "knowledge" of sin is a prerequisite to the confessing of sin(s).

Joh 9:41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but because you now claim to have sight, your sin remains. [If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but because you insist, We do see clearly, you are unable to escape your guilt.] (AMP)

Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[Bill]

How can a man confess sin(s) that he has no knowledge of?

"Forgive us our trespasses" in the Our Father, is not pointing to specific offences we have done towards God, but is seeking forgiveness of both those we know of as well as those we are unaware of.

As an example, you cut off a person in traffic to beat the light. No sin? But your actions now have caused the other to swear.

We have not only a responcibility for ourselves, but how our actions cause others to act.

And if our actions cause another to sin, we are patially responsible for those sins.

"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

 

[Bill]

Jesus said......

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

It seems "knowledge" of sin is a prerequisite to the confessing of sin(s).

Joh 9:41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but because you now claim to have sight, your sin remains. [If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but because you insist, We do see clearly, you are unable to escape your guilt.] (AMP)

Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

I hope what i posted helps you

 

[Curtis]

"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

You first must have "knowledge" of your trespasses before you can confess them. Right?
How can you forgive someone if you have no "knowledge" of their trespass against you?

 

[Bill]

You first must have "knowledge" of your trespasses before you can confess them. Right?
How can you forgive someone if you have no "knowledge" of their trespass against you?

What of the sin you may cause others to do? You may never know till your death, that your actions have caused others to sin.

The forgiveness we ask from God is for both, those we know of, and those we do not.

For those we know of, you can seek both God and the offened person for forgiveness. For those we have no knowledge of, we seek Gods forgiveness

 

[Christ4Ever]

12 How can I know all the sins lurking in my heart? Cleanse me from these hidden faults.
13 Keep your servant from deliberate sins! Don't let them control me. Then I will be free of guilt and innocent of great sin.
14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing to you, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer.
Psalm 19:12-14 NLT

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[brighthouse98]

Brother Bac, I look very strongly upon this chapter and hope many studies very hard upon it. (Matt 7:1-6 and Matt 7:13-28) please look strongly upon verses20 as well. In Truth salvation comes by Jesus and only he and he alone knows our heart and mind, so I somewhat agree with you as to defining who really believes and who does not. Saying one believes is not enough (James 1:22)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Not to speak for him,but he is saying Enoch didn’t walk with God until after Methuselah was born.

I on the other hand see no reason to believe that he didn’t ALWAYS walk him

Except, of course what the BIBLE SAYS!! (Gen 5:22)