Why I know that God exists

[Curtis]

I love my children no matter what they do, they don't need to be perfect.

Rom 5:7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Verse 7 says you will rarely find anyone who would die for a righteous person, or even just a good person. But God demonstrated his "love" to us by having Jesus die for men who were still dead in their sins, and who were not even looking to find God!

 

[Vincent]

Hello Vincent,
Been awhile if I remember correctly. :smile:

Hopefully this doesn't rehash previously gone over ground and not only from this thread.

I believe in a Resurrected Christ, who declared himself the Son of God. To me it would just make sense that who better to know God then His only begotten Son? This is my confirmation of what I came to realize as a child that long ago night by looking at the heavens. There is a God Vincent. :smile:

How I came to be drawn by Him, to Jesus, and to make by declaration of my belief in Him is in my bio. As with many here who have added their own testimony, and the one you had when you first joined. It leaves me to ask what exactly drew you away from when you first believed, and as Brother Amadeus asked; what was it that you believed?

What I realized is that my reasons for belief were unreasonable and I could not believe from experiences or logic that a god exists. Much more than just that but that's a summary.

Personally I see a Supernatural occurrence like Paul's Damascus Road experience is the only thing a self-proclaiming Atheist seek to have, before they'll believe. While the reality for many is usually more of a tugging of your Spirit, which of course for the Atheist is conjecture at best on one existing, or is attributed to this or that.

How can you know which god claim is true if you just go by a prompting from a spirit? God would know what I would need to believe and if he wants to save me he can.

There is enough evidence that Jesus the Christ lived, died on the Cross, and if you believe those who died for their faith in Him, in His Resurrection as well.

I disagree that there is sufficient evidence of his resurrection or existence.

Something tells me you're probably more of an Agnostic, then actually Atheist, but regardless if it's one of these, or anything in between.

I call myself an atheist because I fit the definition. I have a lack of belief in a a god. An agnostic is someone that doesn't think we can have knowledge of a god even if it existed. I believe if that a god existed we should be able to know about that existence. So I fit with the atheist definition. I dont claim that god does not exist, just that there is insufficient evidence to believe.

Without Jesus as your Savior, you really have nothing but self.

I disagree. I have my family and friends that I love and love me.

So, my hope and I'm sure of others here. Is that you will reach out to His hand that has always been extended to you. Not only in welcome, but for an embrace of a complete Love which is found nowhere else.

Maybe. How do you know this? Quantrell told me god is not interested in my salvation. With so many different beliefs within Christianity all claiming the bible and revelation for their beliefs how do you tell who is right?

 

[Vincent]

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Every human being that has, and will ever live on planet earth has already sinned. No one can be perfect except Jesus. To become "righteous" (which means to be in right standings with God) is by "faith" of Jesus, and in Jesus!!
All believers are declared "righteous" because Jesus gave us his faith, so we can have faith in him. You can not go wrong, unless you make the choice to not believe what Jesus gives you!

It would be nice if you responded to my entire post. I am aware of the gospel and these verses. The implication of them is what I am talking about. Please reread what I posted. Maybe I need to clarify more.

 

[Vincent]

Rom 5:7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Verse 7 says you will rarely find anyone who would die for a righteous person, or even just a good person. But God demonstrated his "love" to us by having Jesus die for men who were still dead in their sins, and who were not even looking to find God!

I think yo need to respond to my entire post and not just take one sentence out of context. I understand these concepts. I don't believe yo understand what I am trying to say.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hello Vincent,

How can you know which god claim is true if you just go by a prompting from a spirit? God would know what I would need to believe and if he wants to save me he can.

There is only one Vincent. I don't think a manageable system would come about if you were dealing with let's say the Hindu's, 300 hundred thousand or so gods. I look at the inability of 2 in humanity to live or co-exist without great difficulty! Imagine 300 thousand god's with limitless power or even limited power above what humanity has and what would happen? I think we'd be looking more like the moon...whether made of cheese or not :shades: The organized Creation that we have would not be the product of such deities.

As far as God saving you. He has, but what good is a gift left unopened, or once opened but since disguarded? What did Salvation mean to you then when you first believed, and what would it mean to you now if you did believe?

I disagree that there is sufficient evidence of his resurrection or existence.

LOL Sufficient to believe Vincent. I never said that it could not be argued against, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. People believe many things with even less evidence, or confirmation. You yourself believed, and now believe something else. The difference between us is that when faced with doubt, you choose to walk away (kinda), and I've chosen to overcome those self-doubts, by remembering/coming back to the Cross from which I first believed. You may be able to deny what happened to you Vincent when you first believed, but I cannot deny what happened to me. I'd be worse then a liar if I did.

I call myself an atheist because I fit the definition. I have a lack of belief in a a god. An agnostic is someone that doesn't think we can have knowledge of a god even if it existed. I believe if that a god existed we should be able to know about that existence. So I fit with the atheist definition. I dont claim that god does not exist, just that there is insufficient evidence to believe.

Quite the change from when you first joined up Vincent. Something else presents itself and you'll change again? It's sad that you don't see yourself as wonderfully made, but rather a chance occurrence with no predetermined purpose beyond procreation, or reason to exist except that you do.......or do you?? LOL

I disagree. I have my family and friends that I love and love me.

What is love Vincent and how do you know it exists?

Maybe. How do you know this? Quantrell told me god is not interested in my salvation. With so many different beliefs within Christianity all claiming the bible and revelation for their beliefs how do you tell who is right?

First you have to believe in a God that is Love, to understand that His manifestation in the flesh as Jesus, exemplified His desire that you be saved. Would you or anyone one even want to believe in a God who did not want you His own Creation? I'm sure there are folks out there like that, but I'm also sure neither you or I would be in that boat. That is if you believed....

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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