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Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

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So you are stuck on "stop all our sins" as if you never said that? How about this below which I see as the same thing.


How can the emphasis on the sinner dying to the sins of the world does not incorporate all sins? How is that not stopping all sins first before they can be saved?

Whenever I mention how Jesus will save sinners from their sins, you seem to see that as a special enabling that God will not do at their salvation without saying so for surely you refuse to acknowledge this truth and kept on arguing for obeying is required on the sinner.

Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.
 
Third time I am trying to get it back to the @PloughBoy 's OP.

Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?​


Answer: They are not listening. Even though Jesus is giving warnings to saved believers, they just don't seem to think those warnings apply to them even though they are avid church goers, following the crowd i.e. the church, rather than His words. They should be trusting Jesus Christ to be their personal Good Shepherd rather than their pastor or their church.
 
When someone wants to be saved, to be a child of God's, to be reconciled to God, then they are to come to Jesus and do what he says as is taught in the Bible.

Jesus tells us exactly what to do when we want to be saved.

We have to repent of our sins.

Everyone has to repent of their sins before they can be saved, even the Apostle Paul.

There is absolutely nothing we can do to get ourselves saved .We have no power living in theses earthen bodies of death

.Jesus the Son of man said; not as I will the powerless one but you the one and only with power.

As in all cases God must do the first work of turning us towards him not seen or heard. . So that in turn we can turn and repent "two turnings".

Two is the one witness of God . let there be (the law ) and it was good (the testimony)

The law of repentance


.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.


After he was comforted ( repented) he was shown the depth of his sin
 
There is absolutely nothing we can do to get ourselves saved .
lol
We have to obey Jesus and do what he says.
We have no power living in theses earthen bodies of death
That is some weird teaching from men.

.Jesus the Son of man said; not as I will the powerless one but you the one and only with power.
Jesus wasn't powerless.

As in all cases God must do the first work of turning us towards him not seen or heard. .
No such thing what you say. We depend on hearing the message from men who Jesus and the ones he sent told us.
So that in turn we can turn and repent "two turnings".
That is nowhere in the Bible.
Be careful not to add or subtract what God says.
Two is the one witness of God . let there be (the law ) and it was good (the testimony)

The law of repentance


.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.


After he was comforted ( repented) he was shown the depth of his sin
He was already saved and then sinned and had to repent.
 
lol
We have to obey Jesus and do what he says.
Yes we do he does the first works giving us ears to hear his understanding of faith them he cam empower us to perform it to his good pleasure.
That is some weird teaching from men.

Weird to you but true.

No such thing what you say. We depend on hearing the message from men who Jesus and the ones he sent told us.
That is the message of God two turning .first he turn us so that in turn we can turn towards him.

.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

That is nowhere in the Bible.
Be careful not to add or subtract what God says.
What was it I added or subtracted ? There is no work we can do to get ourselves saved?

He was already saved and then sinned and had to repent.
You think so after he was saved or turned it is written. . I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth
 
Yes we do he does the first works giving us ears to hear his understanding of faith them he cam empower us to perform it to his good pleasure.
No. God only gives understanding to those who obey Him.
I gave you the scriptures before and can give them again to you if you want.
Weird to you but true.


That is the message of God two turning .first he turn us so that in turn we can turn towards him.
No such thing.
.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.


What was it I added or subtracted ? There is no work we can do to get ourselves saved?


You think so after he was saved or turned it is written. . I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth
God disciplines His children. The person is about the children of God sinning and then repenting.
 
No. God only gives understanding to those who obey Him.
I gave you the scriptures before and can give them again to you if you want.
I did not say God does not give us his understanding. And I am still waiting for your response to the law of repentance below the two turnings
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.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth


Repentance hearing God is a gift of God . It began at salvation and continues till we die . it hearing his voice always returns us the our first love. God working in us to both hear and empower us to do his good will . If you are looking to justify your own self .It simply will not happen . Its why its called a gift on his behalf not a decision without him on our behalf. The deeds of the Nicolaitans. no need of God just follow your leader .Like a Pope

Revelation 2: 5-7 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 
I did not say God does not give us his understanding.
You said God does the first works giving us ears to hear his understanding of faith them he cam empower us to perform it to his good pleasure.

That is not what happens though.

God doesn't open our ears to hear and give us understanding first.
He does those things for us after we obey.
And I am still waiting for your response to the law of repentance below the two turnings
I already explained it, but I will explain it again...
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.Jeremiah 31:17-19King James Version1 And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border.I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth
That is about Israel, the children of God sinning and then God disciplining them and their coming back to God.
Repentance hearing God is a gift of God . It began at salvation and continues till we die . it hearing his voice always returns us the our first love. God working in us to both hear and empower us to do his good will . If you are looking to justify your own self .It simply will not happen . Its why its called a gift on his behalf not a decision without him on our behalf. The deeds of the Nicolaitans. no need of God just follow your leader .Like a Pope

Revelation 2: 5-7 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Those scriptures are about the saved needing to turn back to God and repent of their sins that they did after they were saved.
 
You said God does the first works giving us ears to hear his understanding of faith them he cam empower us to perform it to his good pleasure.

That is not what happens though.

God doesn't open our ears to hear and give us understanding first.
He does those things for us after we obey.

Hi thanks

How could he do it after? Its hearing the gospel ( the hearing of faith) it is the power to obey .From faith the unseen eternal to the same faith of Christ . He does all the work in creating new creatures Called the work of faith or labor of His love .

Romans 1: 16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Christ's not of ourselves.

Those scriptures are about the saved needing to turn back to God and repent of their sins that they did after they were saved.
Yes before God turned them and while . He is our confidence we put no confidence in the flesh . none not little. If he began he will finish to our last breath.

Philipians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
Hi thanks

How could he do it after? Its hearing the gospel ( the hearing of faith) it is the power to obey .
That is a false teaching.
Faith comes from hearing, being taught, convinced, and persauded.

From faith the unseen eternal to the same faith of Christ .
It is faith in Christ.
He does all the work in creating new creatures Called the work of faith or labor of His love .
We are to obey God and repent of our sins. God says it all through the Bible.
Romans 1: 16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Christ's not of ourselves.
You saying Christ's not of ourselves is not scripture. You say Christ's faith---as if we don't need faith? That is a false teaching.
Yes before God turned them and while . He is our confidence we put no confidence in the flesh . none not little. If he began he will finish to our last breath.
We have to obey, and God disciplines those who belong to Him.
Philipians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
That scripture is about AFTER a person is saved and has the Spirit of God in them...if you keep believing and obeying God, it is the way God lives through you and how you live through God.
 
That is a false teaching.
Faith comes from hearing, being taught, convinced, and persauded.
Christ not seen is the teacher .He lovingly commands us to Study to show oneself approved on Him not seen .

Who are you seeking the approval of?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It is faith in Christ.
It the faith of Christ or labor of His love that works in us .We cannot have faith towards him unless we first receive the faith (understanding) of Him . No man will be found with a righteous ness of there own .(I did it ,it proves it. )

It would seem you are viewing faith as one sided what we offer towards Him The Bible declare that dead faith

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

We are to obey God and repent of our sins. God says it all through the Bible.
yes because he has revealed His living will we can come to him as he makes it possible

You saying Christ's not of ourselves is not scripture. You say Christ's faith---as if we don't need faith? That is a false teaching.
He gives his new creatures little .He is the storeroom of His faith (understanding)

We have to obey, and God disciplines those who belong to Him.
Yes if we do hear his will not hardening our hearts he empowers us to perform it. Then we have obeyed it as it is written

Some murmur and kick against the pricks like Jonas .After Jonas wanted to die knowing God world have mercy of n the Ninevites .

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father with delight . Where does that leave you? Murmur or delight?

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
We have to obey, and God disciplines those who belong to Him.
Yes we must obey the first time and repent all the way to the end .

That scripture is about AFTER a person is saved and has the Spirit of God in them...if you keep believing and obeying God, it is the way God lives through you and how you live through God.

The word of God (gospel) is before and after .the Alfa and Omega . It moves us in and as our confidence we are keep within.

Faith (Christ's in us ) does not come by exercising our imagination.

Who began the god teaching work in you?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Who is performing the good work of salvation in you?
 
Christ not seen is the teacher .He lovingly commands us to Study to show oneself approved on Him not seen .

Who are you seeking the approval of?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


It the faith of Christ or labor of His love that works in us .We cannot have faith towards him unless we first receive the faith (understanding) of Him . No man will be found with a righteous ness of there own .(I did it ,it proves it. )

It would seem you are viewing faith as one sided what we offer towards Him The Bible declare that dead faith

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


yes because he has revealed His living will we can come to him as he makes it possible


He gives his new creatures little .He is the storeroom of His faith (understanding)


Yes if we do hear his will not hardening our hearts he empowers us to perform it. Then we have obeyed it as it is written

Some murmur and kick against the pricks like Jonas .After Jonas wanted to die knowing God world have mercy of n the Ninevites .

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the father with delight . Where does that leave you? Murmur or delight?

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Yes we must obey the first time and repent all the way to the end .



The word of God (gospel) is before and after .the Alfa and Omega . It moves us in and as our confidence we are keep within.

Faith (Christ's in us ) does not come by exercising our imagination.

Who began the god teaching work in you?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Who is performing the good work of salvation in you?

Jesus taught to have faith in him and never taught the strange thing you say about we don't have faith but that it is the faith of Christ in us.

There are many scriptures where Jesus tells US to have faith IN him.


John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."



Do you think Jesus is being ironic and misleading and that he really means you are going to die in your sins if he doesn't give you the faith of Christ?
 
It is as we as a “Body” do not Believe, a Terror that no one has ever heard of or seen and could come to be, is Approaching.

The reason “GOD” sent His only Son to Warn The Earth of “The Wrath” that is to come, “Warn Them, of Me” “REPENT”, “Saved Them From ME”!

“THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD”!

Do not, let Lying Proclaimers tell you, it is not to be!

“Jesus came to Save us From “GOD”!

Have we warn the People with great Concern, That their souls are in Great Danger!

And The Signs of His Anger is being Shown Throughout The Planet, even right Now!

“His Anger is Waxing Hot”

What are we Afraid of?
Why are we so afraid to tell “The TRUTH” why, is there fear there?

“Perfect Love Casts out fear”:eyes:

Just maybe the love we express to people is not “Perfect Love”
Does this love we express to people, makes them “Hate Us”?

Does this love we express to people, make them think we are crazy and have lost our minds?

Does this Love we express to People make them, not wanting to be in our Presence?

What kind of Aroma that flows from our very Being,

“Lot, who is this man that came to us”?

I hope that many will not take offense of my words here, for this plague of this type has affected us all.:pensive:

What do we as a people think, we shall warn with great “Enthusiasm” when The Waves are Breaking down The Door! When The Stars are Falling Down From The Sky, When The Rivers are Runing over with Blood, and only Then we will be Shouting with a loud voice “REPENT” when HE is At The Very DOOR, while The “P” is running down their legs and Their Very Kneels are Knocking, at the presence of His Face?

When shall we as A body be on one Accord, and Blow The HORN
Of “REDEMPTION”

Instead of Jesus came to make you have a happy marriage, and good health, a nice home and a very good job, peace and safety, with the Fragrance of love in the air, with tables full peaches and Pomegranates, and fried Frog legs, and French fries and “Gelato”with pistachios nuts on top.

He did not come for us to encounter these Delicacies and long for them, He came To Save us from The Wrath of GOD ALMIGHTY and To Take us Out of This World to deliver us from this very place He created.
I'd say that it's probably getting hard to tell people of the planet of the Wrath to come when the Christians keep thinking they're going to escape it, by the way of an early rapture.

When you keep pushing that in everyone's face it's kind of like saying see you later sucker, versus looking at the reality when was the last time did you ever see or read in the scripture where God removed his people from the problem and sent them to Paradise.

There isn't one time that God has ever sent someone out of a situation and taking them to Paradise. Lot was taken out of Sodom and Gomorrah he had to start completely over. Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt and they wandered into the desert for 40 years. Jesus brought the New Covenant and the Christians suffered for it eaten by lions tigers used for Slaughter in the Coliseum Hunted hated.

True Christians true children of God are not going to run away to some fantasy land Experience the true Christians are going to deal with the problems that God brings to the world and they are going to bring more people to God than ever before
 
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I'd say that it's probably getting hard to tell people of the planet of the Wrath to come when the Christians keep thinking they're going to escape it, by the way of an early rapture.

When you keep pushing that in everyone's face it's kind of like saying see you later sucker, versus looking at the reality when was the last time did you ever see or read in the scripture where God removed his people from the problem and sent them to Paradise.

There isn't one time that God has ever sent someone out of a situation and taking them to Paradise. Lot was taken out of Sodom and Gomorrah he had to start completely over. Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt and they wandered into the desert for 40 years. Jesus brought the New Covenant and the Christians suffered for it eaten by lions tigers used for Slaughter in the Coliseum Hunted hated.

True Christians true children of God are not going to run away to some fantasy land Experience the true Christians are going to deal with the problems that God brings to the world and they are going to bring more people to God than ever before
There is absolutely nothing attractive to this world about becoming a Christian !

There is nothing attractive about being a Christian or seeking GOD!, being a child of Christ is a self Sacrificing life. Denying yourself.

People in this world are not Attracted to a Life of Christ, even when they are suffering and They are not interested in traveling “The Via Dolorosa”.

People wants “Hedonism”
Over 90 % of people have always suffered, always.

1% holds more wealth than the 99% Combine now.
 
The majority of christians do not believe the Bible the “Devil is The god of this world, The Prince, and He is The one Who runs Everything from employments, hospitals, school systems and education and law enforcements and governments!

But most Christian’s think just like The Flesh they Are And want GOD to be just like them in all their “Imaginations” what A God of All Creation is supposed to be like.

 
And I did not say that “That The True God does not Intervene.

Take that Hedge away from around him you Got. Take that protection away from him!

Do not cover him with thy feathers, and do not hide him under your wings :eyes:

Do not protect him in my world I will make him curse your face!

And every body ain’t “Job”!

Told Jesus Bow and Serve me I can give you anything you want it is mine to give and I can give it to anyone I please!

Oprah, Beyoncé, Tom Cruise, Miss America, Miss Universe, 20 million dollar a year news caster! Bow down.

The Head of “CDC”, “WHO” HBO, and all the other “O’s”
 
They do not believe it! That The god of this world is the devil!

King James Bible
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They do not believe it, they will not believe it!


New King James Version
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.

Setting Right There in The Church, bold as Ever, high and lifted up!

who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”


“Slick Willy”,

I had to tell, some of you know this alteady, but afraid to say anything.

Note:

It is not The Person but The Office. And Depends on The Hedge around That Paticular Person who Occupies That “particular” place podium.

They are only a few, who are chosen to occupy that position. Although many might be saved. Who have taken that office, and the Hedge is somewhat not there.
 
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Jesus taught to have faith in him and never taught the strange thing you say about we don't have faith but that it is the faith of Christ in us.

There are many scriptures where Jesus tells US to have faith IN him.


John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."



Do you think Jesus is being ironic and misleading and that he really means you are going to die in your sins if he doesn't give you the faith of Christ?


You have a strange way of defining the faith of God that works in us .as if it came from us who have no power to believe.


No I think God lovingly does the first work of drawing us to salvation. Called loving living commandments.

If you do not hear his voice and acknowledge it is his power working in us by which could do what is required .Then a person remains in un-belief. No faith not little none. And doubt is not the opposite of faith unbelief again in no faith is .

Study what it mean to both will hear the word ofGod and empower some to do it.

Again living in these earthen bodies of death suffering the pangs of hell Without him to do the first work we cannot believe Him. Believing requires doing

Why murmur rather than both hearing and doing?

Philippian 2: 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Perhaps a better picture of him would aid in understanding the Philippian 2 passage above. God doing the first works making our hearts soft

Job 11-16 My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

Can you turn him ?
Who makes your heart soft.?
 
Jesus taught to have faith in him and never taught the strange thing you say about we don't have faith but that it is the faith of Christ in us.

There are many scriptures where Jesus tells US to have faith IN him.


John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."



Do you think Jesus is being ironic and misleading and that he really means you are going to die in your sins if he doesn't give you the faith of Christ?
Well I do believe that you will die in your sins if you do not have Jesus within you.

That being said it means a lot more than just reading the scripture to have Jesus within you it means to be filled with the love of God
 
Well I do believe that you will die in your sins if you do not have Jesus within you.
Of course the saved have Jesus in them.
Where do you get that I said we don't have to believe that?

There are people here teaching we don't have to do anything to get saved, not even have faith in Jesus, they teach the faith of Christ and NOT faith in Christ. They are the Calvinist false teachers, and sects like it. They say Jesus saves them before they can believe by putting HIS FAITH in them. It is a false strange teaching that goes against the Word of God.
That being said it means a lot more than just reading the scripture to have Jesus within you it means to be filled with the love of God
I teach the truth about how Jesus will NOT live in you unless you do what he says to do and that we have to do more than just have faith..
 
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