Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[God's Truth]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh,

Is that what we are getting at?

@GodB4Us you are saying come to Jesus as you are and Jesus will save you
and @God's Truth you are saying repent first and "STOP" sinning and then come to Jesus?

Is this what we are talking about?

He is not telling the truth about me. I have explained it to him many times how to get saved. He is just saying what he is saying to defend his false teachings against Jesus who says repent to get saved.

That would be insane to say stop sinning then come to Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Amen, but who is saying that we don't have to come to Jesus to be saved?

GodB4Us is saying I tell people they have to stop all sins before they believe in Jesus.

He shouldn't be allowed to tell untruths about another like that.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

The gospel of Jesus Christ is to REPENT OF SINS TO GET SAVED.


Mark 1
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Let's make it simple, if we can. Please read carefully.

When we speak of sin or sinning. What are we really talking about? Are we talking just about an action or a heart condition?
Are we saying, stop doing these actions, or are we talking about a purification of the heart the fountain from which those actions flow out of?

This is an important point to consider because it relates to how you see repentance, because you are repenting from "sin".
So ask yourself what is sin or sinning, the action alone or the heart condition?

If it is the heart condition, are we saying that mankind has the ability to change their heart or desires apart from the work that they
must come to Jesus to perform? Didn't David come to God so that the work of "create in my a clean heart" could be done.

If it is simply the actions, stop doing these sinful actions, then are we to say that simply not doing actions makes one not a sinner?
Didn't Jesus say that even if you lust in your heart you have committed adultery.

So let's make it simple. Obviously being a sinner at the root is a heart condition.
Therefore if sinning is a matter of the heart (which leads to actions), then repentance
is not simply changing in actions but a change of heart.
Only Jesus can change the heart but in faith we can draw closer to Jesus. When we believe (faith comes by hearing the WORD..)
the work of transforming out heart has begun because we believe, and as we come to Jesus, He continues this work.

Yes??

 

[God's Truth]

Let's make it simple, if we can. Please read carefully.

When we speak of sin or sinning. What are we really talking about? Are we talking just about an action or a heart condition?
Are we saying, stop doing these actions, or are we talking about a purification of the heart the fountain from which those actions flow out of?

This is an important point to consider because it relates to how you see repentance, because you are repenting from "sin".
So ask yourself what is sin or sinning, the action alone or the heart condition?

If it is the heart condition, are we saying that mankind has the ability to change their heart or desires apart from the work that they
must come to Jesus to perform? Didn't David come to God so that the work of "create in my a clean heart" could be done.

If it is simply the actions, stop doing these sinful actions, then are we to say that simply not doing actions makes one not a sinner?
Didn't Jesus say that even if you lust in your heart you have committed adultery.

So let's make it simple. Obviously being a sinner at the root is a heart condition.
Therefore if sinning is a matter of the heart (which leads to actions), then repentance
is not simply changing in actions but a change of heart.
Only Jesus can change the heart but in faith we can draw closer to Jesus. When we believe (faith comes by hearing the WORD..)
the work of transforming out heart has begun because we believe, and as we come to Jesus, He continues this work.

Yes??

NO.

See that what you are preaching, it is what I explained to you that which Luther and many others teach that is false.

They preach that we cannot repent of our sins unless Jesus changes our heart first.

That would be the equivalent to that of Jesus saving you BEFORE YOU come to him and confess and repent of YOUR SINS.

Jesus says we have to repent of our sins first.

 

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'Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be?'​

It is as we as a “Body” do not Believe, a Terror that no one has ever heard of or seen and could come to be, is Approaching.

The reason “GOD” sent His only Son to Warn The Earth of “The Wrath” that is to come, “Warn Them, of Me” “REPENT”, “Saved Them From ME”!

“THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD”!

Do not, let Lying Proclaimers tell you, it is not to be!
“Jesus came to Save us From “GOD”!

Have we warn the People with great Concern, That their souls are in Great Danger!
And The Signs of His Anger is being Shown Throughout The Planet, even right Now!

“His Anger is Waxing Hot”

What are we Afraid of?
Why are we so afraid to tell “The TRUTH” why, is there fear there?

“Perfect Love Casts out fear”

Just maybe the love we express to people is not “Perfect Love”
Does this love we express to people, makes them “Hate Us”?

Does this love we express to people, make them think we are crazy and have lost our minds?
Does this Love we express to People make them, not wanting to be in our Presence?

What kind of Aroma that flows from our very Being,
“Lot, who is this man that came to us”?

I hope that many will not take offense of my words here, for this plague of this type has affected us all.

What do we as a people think, we shall warn with great “Enthusiasm” when The Waves are Breaking down The Door! When The Stars are Falling Down From The Sky, When The Rivers are Runing over with Blood, and only Then we will be Shouting with a loud voice “REPENT” when HE is At The Very DOOR, while The “P” is running down their legs and Their Very Kneels are Knocking, at the presence of His Face?


When shall we as A body be on one Accord, and Blow The HORN

Of “REDEMPTION”

Instead of Jesus came to make you have a happy marriage, and good health, a nice home and a very good job, peace and safety, with the Fragrance of love in the air, with tables full peaches and Pomegranates, and fried Frog legs, and French fries and “Gelato”with pistachios nuts on top.

He did not come for us to encounter these Delicacies and long for them, He came To Save us from The Wrath of GOD ALMIGHTY and To Take us Out of This World to deliver us from this very place He created.

'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:​

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;​

but the wrath of God abideth on him.'
(John 3:36)

Hello @PloughBoy,

It is hard to warn people of the wrath to come. Yet I remember until quite recent years seeing men and women standing up in the local town placarding the word of God, with that intent, preaching the gospel message and handing out tracts to passers by. Is this ministry still taking place? I hope so!

Yesterday on the news mention was made of the heat wave we all experienced in the 70's, and it brought back to my memory the horror of watching the mountains on the other side of the valley burning in the heat, the peat layer burned for weeks, all over the hillside. It was frightening. I remember then going to tell a neighbour that I thought the end of the world was nigh. For I had never experienced such constantly high heat for so long a period, or seen the mountains on fire like they were then. The time passed and the weather patterns normalised, but here we are again, experiencing even higher temperatures. Yet this time it is different for the temperatures are higher, and cover vast swathes of land mass into the northern hemisphere, and glaciers are melting and the waters of the sea rising. Countries are experiencing great drought, and outbreaks of fire, water shortages, and livestock dying for want of water. The rising sea water is creating flooding, and people are losing their homes. Wars and rumours of wars are raging, and people dying.

The stage is being set for the events of the end of this age to take place I believe. This age of grace appears to be coming to a close.

'(For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted,
and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee:
behold, now is the accepted time;
behold, now is the day of salvation.)'
(2Cor. 6:2)

'Seek ye the LORD while He may be found,
call ye upon Him while He is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the LORD,
and he will have mercy upon him;
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.'
(Isa 55:6-7)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[God's Truth]

Didn't David come to God so that the work of "create in my a clean heart" could be done.

David CONFESSED HIS SINS and wanted God to forgive him for the sins he committed and to purify him of them.
David being forgiven and cleaned of murder and adultery was prophetic of what we would receive one day when Jesus came and died for us, if we come to Jesus and confess our sins to him.

If it is simply the actions, stop doing these sinful actions, then are we to say that simply not doing actions makes one not a sinner?

That sure is a lot of talk you are doing instead of trusting Jesus and just repent of your sins like he says to do.

Didn't Jesus say that even if you lust in your heart you have committed adultery.

If that is your sin then repent of that. Confess that to Jesus and say you don't want to do it anymore...you repent of it. You change your mind about wanting to do it.

So let's make it simple. Obviously being a sinner at the root is a heart condition.
Therefore if sinning is a matter of the heart (which leads to actions), then repentance
is not simply changing in actions but a change of heart.
Only Jesus can change the heart

See that, you detoured from what Jesus says.

Jesus: Repent of your sins.
You: No, Jesus, I can't do that, make me do it.

God tells us to REPENT OF OUR SINS to get a new heart.
So then, according to your teachings you just did in this post, you would blame God for the people dying:

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’

but in faith we can draw closer to Jesus. When we believe (faith comes by hearing the WORD..)
the work of transforming out heart has begun because we believe, and as we come to Jesus, He continues this work.

Faith alone is DEAD and CANNOT save anyone.

Jesus says plainly to repent of our sins.

 

[GodB4Us]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh,

Is that what we are getting at?

@GodB4Us you are saying come to Jesus as you are and Jesus will save you

Well, yes, but for those sinners that cannot stop sinning on their own and some have tried, they can come to Jesus to save them from their sins and not just have eternal life by believing in Him.

and @God's Truth you are saying repent first and "STOP" sinning and then come to Jesus?

Unless he has changed his premise, that is what he has been saying and he admits that what he is saying is of man.

Is this what we are talking about?

Hopefully he will respond soon to confirm this.

 

[God's Truth]

Unless he has changed his premise, that is what he has been saying and he admits that what he is saying is of man.

Hopefully he will respond soon to confirm this.

You are not telling the truth about me. Show one place ever I said before we believe in Jesus we are to stop all sins first.

That would be insane for anyone to say I said that.

You should find where I said that and post it or be banned for awhile.

 

[GodB4Us]

You are not telling the truth about me. Show one place ever I said before we believe in Jesus we are to stop all sins first.

That would be insane for anyone to say I said that.

You should find where I said that and post it or be banned for awhile.

And if I should find it, you agree to be banned for a while?

You had said that you had to repent from all sins first before coming to Jesus and I said what you are preaching is of man and then you agreed that you were. Remember that?

There is an awful lot of posts and threads to go through to find it, and so I am not sure I am willing to play that game of yours, but I will start with this thread first.

 

[GodB4Us]

But you are one of the persons who preach we are not saved by doing what Jesus says to do.

Jesus says return to your first love by repenting of your sins, like you did in the beginning.

You preach against repenting of sins to get saved and to stay saved.

Now you say to do what Jesus says to do in order to get saved by repenting of your sins and to keep repenting from sins in order to keep yourself saved.

How is that saying you have to repent from all sins first and again what you say is of man when you have to keep yourself saved?.

 

[God's Truth]

And if I should find it, you agree to be banned for a while?

I don't have any agreement with you.

You had said that you had to repent from all sins first before coming to Jesus and I said what you are preaching is of man and then you agreed that you were. Remember that?
There is an awful lot of posts and threads to go through to find it, and so I am not sure I am willing to play that game of yours, but I will start with this thread first.

You saying I said something that I didn't is your game.

 

[GodB4Us]

I don't have any agreement with you.



You saying I said something that I didn't is your game.

Then answer post # 150 then.

 

[GodB4Us]

Saul was NOT saved on that road to Damascus.

He was only saved after repenting of his sins.

If Paul would have been saved for just believing, then he would have been saved on that road but he was not.

Here you testified that Saul had to repent of his sins BEFORE he could be saved by Jesus Christ

We have to obey.
When anyone wants to be saved, then they have to DIE to the sins of the world.

Again, is that not like saying you have to repent from all sins FIRST before Jesus Christ can save you?

 

[God's Truth]

Now you say to do what Jesus says to do in order to get saved by repenting of your sins and to keep repenting from sins in order to keep yourself saved.

How is that saying you have to repent from all sins first and again what you say is of man when you have to keep yourself saved?.

Huh? So typical of someone who did wrong.

 

[GodB4Us]

@God's Truth I am not a mod and I do not expect mods to hold to this challenge about being banned when proven wrong.

Maybe you do not know what you are saying but there have been posts in the recent past where you had posted what I had said you had posted almost verbatim. The quotes in #150 post and post # 153 was from within this thread.

 

[GodB4Us]

Huh? So typical of someone who did wrong.

Can't explain away what you had posted, huh?

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth I am not a mod and I do not expect mods to hold to this challenge about being banned when proven wrong.

Maybe you do not know what you are saying but there have been posts in the recent past where you had posted what I had said you had posted almost verbatim. The #150 post and post # 153 was from within this thread.

I am not playing your game.

You said I said something that I didn't say.

I have told my beliefs many times.

Now show where I said what you say I said.

Do it now or admit you spoke untruths about me.

 

[GodB4Us]

I am not playing your game.

You said I said something that I didn't say.

I have told my beliefs many times.

Now show where I said what you say I said.

Do it now or admit you spoke untruths about me.

Done it. You can't explain away your quotes in #150 nor #153 because that is saying the same thing and you know it. Try saying that it does not say what I said you had posted, because you still have been saying it since.

 

[God's Truth]

Can't explain away what you had posted, huh?

Show it or admit you bear false witness.

 

[GodB4Us]

Show it or admit you bear false witness.

God knows I am not bearing false witness and you know it too.