Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

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Hi God's truth

Hope you are well today.
There is this
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:17
How do you interpret this?

'( For until the law sin was in the world:
.. but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
.... Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
...... even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
........ who is the figure of Him that was to come.
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift.
.. For if through the offence of one many be dead,
.... much more the grace of God,
...... and the gift by grace,
........ which is by one man, Jesus Christ,
......... hath abounded unto many.
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift:
.. for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
.... but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
...... For if by one man's offence death reigned by one;
........ much more
.......... they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness
............ shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. )

Hi @Lavenderfields,

The verses you gave me are part of a parenthesis, and so I thought I should quote the whole of it.

* They which receive abundance of grace, and of the gift of righteousness, which is imputed to us by God, do reign in life by Christ Jesus our Beloved Lord. Sin no longer has dominion over us, for we have passed from death into life: So death no longer reigns for the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:56). We are told to reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:11). For we have died with Christ, been buried, quickened and raised with Christ (by faith), and now walk in newness of life (in Him) before the Father (Romans 6:4). This is a faith position, but we walk by faith and not by sight, yes? This is how we reign in life, by reckoning by faith on the finished work of Christ

* This verse is one that I have struggled with too, but this is the way I understand it. Perhaps someone else may be able to explain it better than this, or put me right if I am wrong, but this is what I believe it means. I hope I have made myself clear, for I see through a glass darkly.

I hope too that the heat is not affecting you my friend.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Now risen and glorified
Chris

 

[*Lavender]

Hi Chris,
Thank you for your reply. I addressed that to God's truth.
I was just emphasising that the gift of righteousness is given to the children of God, by grace, through the Holy Spirit into the born again spirit.
That this is a gift and not earned.
That by the works of the flesh nobody is justified.
That Jesus completed the work of salvation and that is a gift.
We don't earn it
I don't dispute repentance of sin and faith in Christ to receive forgiveness for them
I know you know all this. Just saying.
I see the work of Christ as washing our sins, and transforming us.
Salvation is a gift and if we earned it we would never achieve the righteousness to God's level by ourselves. That's impossible.
That's why salvation is a gift.
The flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:8
The conflict was addressed to the Galatians 5:13-25
To live by the spirit and not the flesh.

Yes it has been hot and not easy to work in, but coping.
God Bless.

 

[complete]

Hi Chris,
Thank you for your reply. I addressed that to God's truth.
I was just emphasising that the gift of righteousness is given to the children of God, by grace, through the Holy Spirit into the born again spirit.
That this is a gift and not earned.
That by the works of the flesh nobody is justified.
That Jesus completed the work of salvation and that is a gift.
We don't earn it
I don't dispute repentance of sin and faith in Christ to receive forgiveness for them
I know you know all this. Just saying.
I see the work of Christ as washing our sins, and transforming us.
Salvation is a gift and if we earned it we would never achieve the righteousness to God's level by ourselves. That's impossible.
That's why salvation is a gift.

Yes it has been hot and not easy to work in, but coping.
God Bless.

Hello @Lavenderfields & @God's Truth,

I am sorry, I thought your question was for me LF. Silly of me I didn't see the name of the desired recipient. Too eager I think

I hope my response is a blessing to you though, @Lavenderfields and @God's Truth, It was a blessing to me, for which I thank you LF, for both that entry and this latest response.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @God's Truth,

I am sure that no one doubts that you have a zeal for God, 'God's Truth.'

You mean like the Jews who did NOT stop doing the purification works of the old law?
You mean instead of believe Jesus purifies us?

That is a false judgment from you to compare what I teach to that of the Jews who reject Jesus as the purifier.

Yet you appear to reject what Paul says in Romans 3:21-28:-

I want to help show you how that is wrong.

'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
........ for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
.. Being justified freely by His grace
.... through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
...... Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
........ through faith in His blood,
.......... to declare His righteousness
............ for the remission of sins that are past,
.............. through the forbearance of God;
................ To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.................. that He might be just,
.................... and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
.. By what law? of works?
.... Nay: but by the law of faith.
...... Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
........ without the deeds of the law.'
(Rom 3:21-28)

* Do you not believe this?

Of course I do, just not the way your false teachers told you it means.

Read it over with me now, try to read it and consider what I say the scriptures mean, okay?

'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,

Without the old law which included the purification/ceremonial works where the people had to live EVERY DAY PURIFYING THEMSELVES.

.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ

Now through faith in Jesus' shed blood on the cross...INSTEAD OF THE OLD LAW'S purification/ceremonial works of sacrificing animals every day...

We now ONLY HAVE TO HAVE FAITH that Jesus is the Lamb whose blood atones for us...purifies us.

Are you starting to understand?

It doesn't mean we don't have to obey God anymore and just believe in Jesus---

It means we have to obey Jesus and repent of our sins to him and we don't have to work at purifying ourselves anymore for Jesus purifies us.

...... unto all and upon all them that believe:

We have to believe that Jesus' blood purifies us of the sins we repent of doing.
It means we can't do the old works of the law which are the purification works...we no longer have to get circumcised in the flesh and if we do that to be made right before God then we have fallen from grace.

........ for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

That is about how enemy Gentiles can be saved to through Jesus.

.. Being justified freely by His grace
.... through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
...... Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
........ through faith in His blood,
.......... to declare His righteousness
............ for the remission of sins that are past,
.............. through the forbearance of God;
................ To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.................. that He might be just,
.................... and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.

Do you understand those scriptures better now?

Where is boasting then? It is excluded.

The Jews used to be able to boast in their purification/ceremonial works, for a person USED to become a child of God's by the purification works, and, the Pharisees and teacher's of the law could boast in how many foreskins they got.

.. By what law? of works?

Again, the law of works is the PURIFICATION WORKS.

.... Nay: but by the law of faith.

Now we just have to have faith in Jesus' blood purifying us and NO MORE SACRIFICING ANIMALS and getting circumcised.

...... Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
........ without the deeds of the law.'
(Rom 3:21-28)

I hope you understand better now and see that you were taught wrong by your teachers.

The not of works means we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore we just have to believe Jesus is the Lamb and go through his blood.

 

[God's Truth]

Hi God's truth

Hope you are well today.

Thank you and same to you.

There is this
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:17
How do you interpret this?

When Adam sinned, he was cast out and all humans were born outside of Eden, when Jesus came and showed us the way and died for us, we now go through Jesus, we are reconciled to God through Jesus and what he did for us, we are put in God and He in us and we will live with Him on a new earth one day with immortal bodies.

Does that help you? Let me know if you want me to explain it more.

 

[God's Truth]

Hi Chris,

Hi Lavenderfields, I see that you explained more to Chris about what you wanted to say to me, so I will reply to this post, too.

Thank you for your reply. I addressed that to God's truth.
I was just emphasising that the gift of righteousness is given to the children of God, by grace, through the Holy Spirit into the born again spirit.
That this is a gift and not earned.

The righteousness BEFORE Jesus was when someone did the purification works of the law.

The Jews would live every day having animals sacrificed for them and the males had to be circumcised, and they had to adhere to a special dietary law, and do special external baths, just so that they would be justified/sanctified/righteous/purified before God.

The Jews would do those works themselves and earn their righteousness before God.

This was a teaching tool and shadow of Jesus, who was to come one day and then do the purifying for us, just by our having faith that his blood purifies us and that HE IS THE LAMB of God.

It does NOT mean we no longer have to obey Jesus.

It means we still have to obey God, we just don't have to do the purification works anymore because Jesus purifies us when we come to him and confess and repent of our sins and have faith that his blood purified us.

That by the works of the flesh nobody is justified.
That Jesus completed the work of salvation and that is a gift.
We don't earn it

I hope you consider carefully what I explained to you.
Your teachers taught you faith alone and they taught you to not even repent of your sins to get saved because they misunderstood Paul when he says not of works.

Peter heard of this false understanding the people had and then Peter warns us to obey. James heard of the false faith alone doctrine people had and then James rebukes people for it.

I don't dispute repentance of sin and faith in Christ to receive forgiveness for them
I know you know all this. Just saying.

You do dispute it though, it is what most all denominations teach. They say repent doesn't mean to repent of sins but to just change your mind about God, and they say to do anything, even repent of sins, is to usurp power from Jesus who justifies us.
It is a false teaching that hinders many from getting saved.
As we can see from the New Testament, the faith alone misunderstanding was around even back then, and Luther taught it and then Calvin made it even worse by teaching that even having faith is to do something!...so he then taught that even faith was a work that usurped God's power...and that is what the Calvinists believe, they believe that God saves them first and this is why they then can believe.

Do you see now what I have been trying to explain?

I see the work of Christ as washing our sins, and transforming us.

After we repent of our sins and die to the sins of the world and tell Jesus that you will live to obey him.

Salvation is a gift and if we earned it we would never achieve the righteousness to God's level by ourselves. That's impossible.

See that how you get that misunderstanding now?

Jesus tells us exactly what to do to have the heart he purifies and lives in.
We have to do what he says to do, and he doesn't tell us to believe and do not repent, or just believe and don't obey anything else.

That's why salvation is a gift.
The flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:8

Those who live to please their flesh cannot please God.

The conflict was addressed to the Galatians 5:13-25
To live by the spirit and not the flesh.

The Galatians were talked into doing the old law's purification works to be saved---they were talked into observing special days AND TO GET CIRCUMCISED.

Paul explains that some Jews came and talked the Galatians into doing the purification works, and that those Jews were talking many Christians into that.

Paul says if you do the old purification works of the law to be right with God---then you have fallen from grace, for grace is that JESUS' BLOOD does all that purifying now. Jesus purifies us with his blood, he circumcises our hearts, he washes us. We still have to obey God and repent of our sins, we just are to not do the old law's righteous works WHICH ARE THE PURIFICATION WORKS.

These are the righteous works of the law the people used to have to do to belong to God.

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

Since Jesus---to do any of those things means you have to do ALL THOSE THINGS.
So if you do any of those works, you have fallen from grace.

Remember, grace is that Jesus purifies us now, WITH A BETTER PURIFICATION then the outward cleaning those works did.

 

[God's Truth]

Hello @Lavenderfields & @God's Truth,

I am sorry, I thought your question was for me LF. Silly of me I didn't see the name of the desired recipient. Too eager I think

I hope my response is a blessing to you though, @Lavenderfields and @God's Truth, It was a blessing to me, for which I thank you LF, for both that entry and this latest response.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello Chris, I reply to posts that aren't specifically to me. lol I see nothing wrong with it and glad when there are more people interested in the the discussion and answer posts to me too.
I have enjoyed discussing with both of you very much.

 

[*Lavender]

Hi @complete
It's still very hot weather . Hope you are keeping well

Thank you for your contributions. They are a Blessing and I enjoy reading them.

Hi @God's Truth

Hope you are keeping well.
I see that you spent a lot of time with this. You are enthusiastic that's for sure. Only I'm aware that this subject derails this thread and I feel like this should be on a new thread.
Thank you for your answers.

I can't see how anyone can ever attain to God's level and standards and perfection . That starts with the heart, that Jeremiah says is deceiving. Who knows the heart but God.

What I'm saying is the hearts motives. That good works can be for impure motives and only God knows the motives of the heart. Surely the motives of the heart are only pure when they are motivated selflessly and through genuine love.
Since love only comes from God and that is how His righteousness is imputed into the children of God, starting by the heart.

That only God can clean the heart.
That the heart needs to make a response to Jesus.
Not by an outward display but circumcision of the heart.

You said that" the gift of righteousness" Romans 5:17 is for the future but in v18 the tense is not written for the future.

Also backed up by other scriptures. Such as Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:17
Sorry if I don't reply as I will be working and also as said am conscious of derailing the topic of this thread.

 

[God's Truth]

Hi @God's Truth

Hope you are keeping well.
I see that you spent a lot of time with this. You are enthusiastic that's for sure. Only I'm aware that this subject derails this thread and I feel like this should be on a new thread.
Thank you for your answers.

No, it is not off topic.

I can't see how anyone can ever attain to God's level and standards and perfection .

I explained how, and I don't think you really read what I posted, maybe skimmed a little here and there.
I said Jesus' blood purifies us, makes us perfect.

That starts with the heart, that Jeremiah says is deceiving.

You speak like the false teachers that use that scripture and others like it to say all people are too evil. Jeremiah doesn't say what you claim he says. Jesus says there are good people with good hearts before they are saved.

Who knows the heart but God.

If all are only all evil then what is God doing searching people's mind and heart? People with your beliefs can never answer that.

What I'm saying is the hearts motives. That good works can be for impure motives

What? That doesn't make any sense.

and only God knows the motives of the heart.

Of course.

Surely the motives of the heart are only pure when they are motivated selflessly and through genuine love.
Since love only comes from God and that is how His righteousness is imputed into the children of God, starting by the heart.

Jesus tells us how, but many go against it. Jesus says you will never enter unless you humble yourself like a little child and that you will perish if you don't repent of your sins.

That only God can clean the heart.

God doesn't clean hearts of those who don't repent.

That the heart needs to make a response to Jesus.
Not by an outward display but circumcision of the heart.

No one receives the Holy Spirit unless they repented of their sins. You will never ever get around that.

You said that" the gift of righteousness" Romans 5:17 is for the future but in v18 the tense is not written for the future.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you show where I said that?

Also backed up by other scriptures. Such as Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:17

Maybe you should reread what I posted.

Sorry if I don't reply as I will be working and also as said am conscious of derailing the topic of this thread.

You worry about things that you shouldn't, this topic about repenting of sins is not off topic. People don't warn others about the wrath like in the Bible because people such as yourself don't preach the way God says...God says repent of your sins. Many preach faith alone and to repent of sins is wrong. John the baptizer tells people plainly to repent of their sins to be safe from the coming wrath.

 

[UncleD]

I have enjoyed reading a lot of the comments on this subject and many comments are absolutely true in their content. Wonderful to see such dialogue. The body ministers to the body as the Head directs Eph 4.

I have ready many of the comments but not all of them and so I am going to add to the dialogue on the original post.

Night in the bible refers to persecution and ignorance and sin. When Jesus said work whilst you have the day because night is coming where no man can work:- Joh_9:4 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. We have been instructed to work whilst it is day, whilst we can still walk in the light. The governments of the day are becoming more and more hostile to the preaching of the true gospel even to the point of banning certain passages in the bible from being preached. One example of this is Romans 1. One cannot speak about immorality out of Romans 1 because it goes against the governments agenda to have socially accepted government applied rights and norms which are the only accepted ones. There is too much interference from government on how we should, for instance, call someone who is transgender. You cannot call him a him if he thinks he is a she or visa versa. They wilfully deny science that a man is a man and woman is woman and no amount of telling it as it is will be tolerated. Genesis 2 God created man and woman and then brought them together as husband and wife. Watch!! They will ban that chapter in the bible too. When governments do this they are acting in the spirit of antichrist and by doing so they place themselves above God and judge His Word … to their detriment (Psalm 2; Is 14:12-15; Ezek 28).

In the book of Isaiah we read:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it. Isa 13:10 For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, and the moon will not shed its light. This will literally happen but, in Jewish metaphor the stars represent angels or saints who have gone to be with the Lord and are in heaven and their testimony is still alive and active in the world today, the sun represents the Son and the moon represents John the Baptist as well as the church. So, in Revelation 6/Matthew 24 we read:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Just as in the days of Noah says the Lord Jesus and when we go to the Genesis account of the flood we see the following:

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

(1) Gods Spirit will not strive with man;

(2) God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually;

(3) The LORD repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at His heart; and

(4) The LORD said He will destroy man whom He had created from the face of the earth;

What is there that is different than what we see happening in the world today? Nothing really. God will remove His Spirit and there will be no more conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement (Jn 16:8-11. This conviction began in Acts 2 at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh (Joel 2:28 “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Joel 2:29 Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit. Act_2:17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; Act_2:18 even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.).

We read in 2 Thes 2:6 that He who restrains will be removed. The Holy Spirit and the Word are inseparable both must be present in the preaching of the gospel in order to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement. It will get to the stage when God will remove His Spirit. We must work whilst we still have the light of day ….

We also see that in the days of Noah the wickedness of man is becoming great in the earth. Globally we now see that man is absolutely wicked and becoming united as one against God and His Anointed (we are in Christ therefore we are part and parcel of His Anointed, Jesus Christ being the first fruits (Ps 2)).

Because of this wickedness God has repented, that is, He has had a change of heart, that He made man on the earth. He is about to pour out His wrath on sinful man and destroy man from the face of the earth.

As the saying goes it is getting darker and darker and night (persecution) is coming when no man can work. Here many will be martyred & incarcerated. The wicked will get what they want for a short period of time a world without God or His Son or anyone who proclaims them. It will be total darkness and whilst they are carrying out their evil deeds sudden destruction will come upon them and they will still not repent of their sins (Rev 9:20).

Only those who are in the ark (In Christ) will escape the wrath of God. These are those who have found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

However, God will use this persecution to purge the church of dead wood. We see this in Dan 11 emphasis on verses 30-35; Dan 12:10; Jn 15:1-11; 18-27.

I can go on and mention the DAY OF THE LORD but I reckon I have pretty much given the gist of what the Word of God says about it.

We have been instructed to stay awake and not be like the five foolish virgins in Matthew 25 and fall asleep. Habakkuk 1-2:3 spells it out quite openly, we too must keep watch and stay awake because it is coming and it is coming swiftly!

Let us encourage one another as we see these things approaching and happening. Hold onto the weaker brother or sister, lift them up in Christ encourage them to stand firm and not be shaken. We must be like Daniel and like his friends Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. While they were thrown in the furnace there was Jesus with them in their trial. Like with Steven when being stoned he looked up and there was Jesus at the right hand of God in heaven. If we remain in Him we will prevail. There is one last consolation Jesus said that those days will be cut short (Matt 24:22). Watch and pray…..

 

[GodB4Us]

You have teachings from men, and it is obvious.

Name one.

lol
How do you ever get that there is a difference?

When a person comes to be saved, to be able to be a child of God, to be reconciled to Him...
They have to come to Jesus and confess of their sins and repent of them, they are to die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus by obeying him.

Jesus gives his Spirit...lives in your heart himself...when you are then saved, accepted, reconciled to God,...at that time you are purified, washed, born again WITHOUT ANY SINS, you are then a NEW CREATION with a new heart and new spirit, AND THEN, you spend the rest of your life living UP TO THAT.

You live your life working out your salvation and TRAINING YOURSELF by obeying God.


A person has to know what sins they are doing. DON'T YOU BELIEVE THAT?

How are you going to NOT do those sins anymore if you don't even know what you did that was wrong to stop doing?

Think about that more, okay?

Really, think about that more.

I was NOT saved until I really looked at myself and saw that what I had been doing was sin.

Just saying yeah I believe in Jesus and people are sinners IS NOT ENOUGH.


I think you misunderstood me.
However, IF A PERSON KNOWS what their sins are, and confesses and repents of them, what sins are you leaving out and forgetting?
You definitely misunderstood me somewhere.

Let's say you confess for all your sexual sins, and for maybe let's say being a liar...

But you get saved and then realize later that you worrying too much is a sin too...so you later repent of that.

I am saying that if you repent of things and realize something later doesn't mean you made a mistake and aren't really saved now.

What you are centering on to try to go against the truth is just well, weird.


You aren't preaching and teaching what Jesus says you are going against him.

Jesus says plainly that you are NOT A DISCIPLE, or a FAMILY MEMBER and a FRIEND UNLESS YOU OBEY HIM.


We are not blessed, not a disciple, not a family member and friend if we do not do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples


So what does Jesus say to do to become blessed as a disciple, and a family member who is a friend?

HE SAYS TO REPENT OF YOUR SINS.

@Jesus_is_LORD

God's Truth believes in repentance from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ is required for salvation even though he had confessed that there were other sins he had learned to repent of from later on in his life as a believer. So when was he saved if he had not repented from all sins the first time? How can he know he repented from all sins even now to say he is saved?

The fact of the matter is some sinners tried to repent from sins on their own without coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for salvation but with sin's dominion over their lives, they know they cannot answer Gd's Truth's call to repentance and so they never come to & believe in Jesus Christ for salvation when they believe it is all on them to repent from all sins first when Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners in destroying the work of the devil in our lives. 1 John 3:8.

For salvation, we are to repent from unbelief ( Adam's sin ) by believing in Him.

THEN with Jesus Christ in us, we are to live a life of repentance by looking to Jesus Christ daily in helping us to lay aside very weight & sin in running that race in moving on to perfection to bear fruit as His disciples.

Scriptures has been given to you in showing how you are misapplying His words, but you chose to ignore those scriptures that testifies how we are saved by believing in Him John 3:15-16 and that God is pleased to save those that believe 1 Corinthians 1:21.

I can align your scripture about repentance with those scripture by testifying we are to repent from unbelief by believing in Him in how we are saved and He said so plainly in John 3:15-16

I can align your scripture about doing the will of the Father per John 6:39-40 in how we are saved.

But for the rest of His commandments in how to be His disciples, we are to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd that He will help us to follow Him in keeping His commandments. You place the emphasis on the believer whereas I say by His words the believers are to place the emphasis on believing Jesus as our Good Shepherd & Deliverer to help us in repenting from sins. By the same grace of God we are saved by for believing in Him as our Saviour for how we are saved, then by the same grace of God we can follow Him by believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd.

You keep saying that I say no repentance for salvation is required when there is repentance from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved.

Then there is discipleship since Jesus Christ is in us is how we run that race in living a life of repentance in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by Him helping us to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in bearing fruit as His disciples.

 

[GodB4Us]

Hi God's truth

Hope you are well today.
There is this
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:17
How do you interpret this?

Dear Lavenderfields,

I think you need to tag his name for him to get an alert like @God's Truth unless you are quoting him like I am now with you.

Also @God's Truth How do you interpret that verse in that quote, let alone how do you apply that verse in respect that this was done in abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness which cannot be earned by any merit from you to be saved??

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Name one.

@Jesus_is_LORD

God's Truth believes in repentance from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ is required for salvation even though he had confessed that there were other sins he had learned to repent of from later on in his life as a believer. So when was he saved if he had not repented from all sins the first time? How can he know he repented from all sins even now to say he is saved?

The fact of the matter is some sinners tried to repent from sins on their own without coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for salvation but with sin's dominion over their lives, they know they cannot answer Gd's Truth's call to repentance and so they never come to & believe in Jesus Christ for salvation when they believe it is all on them to repent from all sins first when Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners in destroying the work of the devil in our lives. 1 John 3:8.

For salvation, we are to repent from unbelief ( Adam's sin ) by believing in Him.

THEN with Jesus Christ in us, we are to live a life of repentance by looking to Jesus Christ daily in helping us to lay aside very weight & sin in running that race in moving on to perfection to bear fruit as His disciples.

Scriptures has been given to you in showing how you are misapplying His words, but you chose to ignore those scriptures that testifies how we are saved by believing in Him John 3:15-16 and that God is pleased to save those that believe 1 Corinthians 1:21.

I can align your scripture about repentance with those scripture by testifying we are to repent from unbelief by believing in Him in how we are saved and He said so plainly in John 3:15-16

I can align your scripture about doing the will of the Father per John 6:39-40 in how we are saved.

But for the rest of His commandments in how to be His disciples, we are to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd that He will help us to follow Him in keeping His commandments. You place the emphasis on the believer whereas I say by His words the believers are to place the emphasis on believing Jesus as our Good Shepherd & Deliverer to help us in repenting from sins. By the same grace of God we are saved by for believing in Him as our Saviour for how we are saved, then by the same grace of God we can follow Him by believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd.

You keep saying that I say no repentance for salvation is required when there is repentance from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved.

Then there is discipleship since Jesus Christ is in us is how we run that race in living a life of repentance in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by Him helping us to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in bearing fruit as His disciples.

You make a good point @GodB4Us about repenting from unbelief. @God's Truth , what @GodB4Us is saying reminds me of this verse below.
How do you see it?

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe[faith] on him whom he hath sent."
-John 6:28-29

 

[GodB4Us]

I have enjoyed reading a lot of the comments on this subject and many comments are absolutely true in their content. Wonderful to see such dialogue. The body ministers to the body as the Head directs Eph 4.

I have ready many of the comments but not all of them and so I am going to add to the dialogue on the original post.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

Night in the bible refers to persecution and ignorance and sin. When Jesus said work whilst you have the day because night is coming where no man can work:- Joh_9:4 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. We have been instructed to work whilst it is day, whilst we can still walk in the light. The governments of the day are becoming more and more hostile to the preaching of the true gospel even to the point of banning certain passages in the bible from being preached.

I do wonder if this night is the great tribulation when no Christian can work normally in spreading the gospel and correction by the scripture when they will be too busy running for their lives.

However, God will use this persecution to purge the church of dead wood. We see this in Dan 11 emphasis on verses 30-35; Dan 12:10; Jn 15:1-11; 18-27.

I can go on and mention the DAY OF THE LORD but I reckon I have pretty much given the gist of what the Word of God says about it.

I believe the rapture event is when God will judge His House first 1 Peter 4:17-19 KJV for why many believers will not be ready in the latter days when He comes, Luke 12:40-49 KJV & Luke 21:33-36 KJVbut He is faithful to keep the souls of His saints left behind to suffer the coming fire Revelation 8:7 & Revelation 18:1-24 & Luke 13:24-30 & the eventual great tribulation Revelation 2:18-25 KJV <--- click on green scripture reference to open Bible Gateway web page to read.

We have been instructed to stay awake and not be like the five foolish virgins in Matthew 25 and fall asleep. Habakkuk 1-2:3 spells it out quite openly, we too must keep watch and stay awake because it is coming and it is coming swiftly!

Let us encourage one another as we see these things approaching and happening. Hold onto the weaker brother or sister, lift them up in Christ encourage them to stand firm and not be shaken. We must be like Daniel and like his friends Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. While they were thrown in the furnace there was Jesus with them in their trial. Like with Steven when being stoned he looked up and there was Jesus at the right hand of God in heaven. If we remain in Him we will prevail. There is one last consolation Jesus said that those days will be cut short (Matt 24:22). Watch and pray…..

I agree. Jesus has been warning saved believers all along about the consequences for not being ready as Paul did too and it involves more than the loss of the rewards of crowns but one can become a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV

Salvation can never be lost even having gone through the fire, 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV but the first inheritance can be lost of being denied partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

The prodigal son will return, but although he can never get that inheritance back having spent it on wild living, he is still son. The Lord will wipe the tears from their eyes to get past that loss, and they will praise the Lord forever.

 

[God's Truth]

Name one.

You teach the false teaching from men that we don't repent of our sins to get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD

God's Truth believes in repentance from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ is required for salvation even though he had confessed that there were other sins he had learned to repent of from later on in his life as a believer. So when was he saved if he had not repented from all sins the first time? How can he know he repented from all sins even now to say he is saved?

You have to confess and repent of your sins to get saved or you won't get saved. If you don't know what your sins are then you need to examine your life and figure out how you are admitting you are a sinner but don't even know what your sins are. If you don't know what your sins are then what are you sorry for doing? If you don't know what your sins are then what are you telling Jesus you are dying to?
You go against the Word of God who says repent of your sins or perish.

The fact of the matter is some sinners tried to repent from sins on their own without coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for salvation but with sin's dominion over their lives,

You don't make sense. How would anyone repent from sins without coming to and believing in Jesus? I am talking about a person who comes to Jesus to be saved.

they know they cannot answer Gd's Truth's call to repentance and so they never come to & believe in Jesus Christ for salvation when they believe it is all on them to repent from all sins first when Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners in destroying the work of the devil in our lives. 1 John 3:8.

Again, you speak against the truth, for I say what Jesus says and that is to come to him for forgiveness of sins to be saved and reconciled to God, to be a child of His.

You are the one who is hindering people from being saved and even stopping people from ever getting saved and knowing God.

You say we are not to repent of our sins to get saved.

For salvation, we are to repent from unbelief ( Adam's sin ) by believing in Him.

Give one scripture that says to repent of unbelief.

THEN with Jesus Christ in us, we are to live a life of repentance by looking to Jesus Christ daily in helping us to lay aside very weight & sin in running that race in moving on to perfection to bear fruit as His disciples.

You preach against what the Word of God says.

Scriptures has been given to you in showing how you are misapplying His words, but you chose to ignore those scriptures that testifies how we are saved by believing in Him John 3:15-16 and that God is pleased to save those that believe 1 Corinthians 1:21.

I can align your scripture about repentance with those scripture by testifying we are to repent from unbelief by believing in Him in how we are saved and He said so plainly in John 3:15-16

It is a shame what you are doing.

I can align your scripture about doing the will of the Father per John 6:39-40 in how we are saved.

But for the rest of His commandments in how to be His disciples, we are to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd that He will help us to follow Him in keeping His commandments. You place the emphasis on the believer whereas I say by His words the believers are to place the emphasis on believing Jesus as our Good Shepherd & Deliverer to help us in repenting from sins. By the same grace of God we are saved by for believing in Him as our Saviour for how we are saved, then by the same grace of God we can follow Him by believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd.

You keep saying that I say no repentance for salvation is required when there is repentance from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved.

You do keep saying we are not to repent of our sins to get saved and to stay saved.

No scripture anywhere says what you say, but you go against what is said.

 

[God's Truth]

Dear Lavenderfields,

I think you need to tag his name for him to get an alert like @God's Truth unless you are quoting him like I am now with you.

Also @God's Truth How do you interpret that verse in that quote, let alone how do you apply that verse in respect that this was done in abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness which cannot be earned by any merit from you to be saved??

I answered that post in great detail. You should read it carefully until you understand better.

 

[God's Truth]

You make a good point @GodB4Us about repenting from unbelief. @God's Truth , what @GodB4Us is saying reminds me of this verse below.

I am saddened to see that you would believe something that goes against what God says and believe what man says about don't repent of sins and to just repent of unbelief.

How do you see it?

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe[faith] on him whom he hath sent."
-John 6:28-29

Jesus says to believe in him. You think that means repent of unbelief and NOT of SINS? You have to see that you would be going against God too.

The Jews who only knew of God the Father now have to go through Jesus to remain the Father's. Jesus tells them God wants them to believe in him [Jesus].

 

[PloughBoy]

I am saddened to see that you would believe something that goes against what God says and believe what man says about don't repent of sins and to just repent of unbelief.


Jesus says to believe in him. You think that means repent of unbelief and NOT of SINS? You have to see that you would be going against God too.

The Jews who only knew of God the Father now have to go through Jesus to remain the Father's. Jesus tells them God wants them to believe in him [Jesus].

Your goal has been to redirect this “Thread” I started and close it down! Your goal has been accomplish.

I am asking the Moderators after their investigations also That The Thread has been redirected. My request for it to be close.

 

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD and @GodB4Us and @Lavenderfields and @complete

We have to come to Jesus to be saved, to be a child of God's we have to go through Jesus, only through Jesus can we be reconciled to God.

Jesus tells us exactly what we have to do to be the one he saves.


Old Testament:


Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.

Malachi 3:1"Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple--the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight--see, He is coming," says the LORD of Hosts.

Matthew 3:3 This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: "A voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for Him.'"

Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one calling: "Prepare the way for the LORD in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert.

We prepare ourselves for the Lord by repenting of our sins.




John the baptizer:


Mark 1:5 People went out to him from all of Jerusalem and the countryside of Judea. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Luke 1:77 to give to His people knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,


Luke 3:7 Then John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 3:8 Therefore produce fruit worthy of repentance.


If you believe the wrath of God is still a real thing to come but don't believe anyone has to repent of their sins, that is one coming to be saved as just a viper.



Jesus:


Mark 1:14 After the arrest of John, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 15“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

John 3:22 After this, Jesus and His disciples went into the Judean countryside, where He spent some time with them and baptized.

John 3:26 So John's disciples came to him and said, "Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about--He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him."

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach this message: “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”

Matthew 11:21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Matthew 12:41 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented when Jonah preached to them—and now, something greater than Jonah is here!

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.



Paul

Jesus says to repent of your sins to enter...Paul says you will never enter if you don't repent of your sins:

Galatians 5:19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul is afraid that some that were still sinning didn't repent of their sins and weren't really saved:

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.


Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.


It is the same one and only gospel that saves--- repent of your sins and believe.