Why is this not being taught in Church?

[PloughBoy]

my brothers and sister are so funny sometimes, you got me laughing!

 

[Bill]

Brother Bill I had nothing to do with it.
It's all Samsons2020's fault.
He lured me into finding those passages.
I promise I'll be good.
please don't put a hex on me.

Gods peace be with you, but may He send His Angels to thwunk you on the back of your head. ( '' THWUNK '')

i dont do hexes, that is something of the devil.

No, mine is much worse . ( smile ) Angels .

What you wrote before was completely unacceptable. It was very sarcastic . And if you consider yourself a Christian . An apology would be the right thing to do.
I would never write such an insult, no matter how much i disagreed with anyone .

Sincerely , bill

 

[rhern53]

Gods peace be with you, but may He send His Angels to thwunk you on the back of your head. ( '' THWUNK '')

i dont do hexes, that is something of the devil.

No, mine is much worse . ( smile ) Angels .

What you wrote before was completely unacceptable. It was very sarcastic . And if you consider yourself a Christian . An apology would be the right thing to do.
I would never write such an insult, no matter how much i disagreed with anyone .

Sincerely , bill

I apologize I meant no harm.

I thought you would at least get a smile out of it.

It won't happen again.

 

[rhern53]

to Samson 2020
I thought these passages would help:

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Br. Bear]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
Genesis 50:20

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Matthew 17:21

 

[Br. Bear]

Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, so that in due time He may exalt you.
1Peter 5:6

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7



Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
Psalm 34:13-14

 

[Bill]

I apologize I meant no harm.

I thought you would at least get a smile out of it.

It won't happen again.

My Brother , i accapt your apology.

I did find humor in your post 180 . It was the post 125 that was the culprit among a few others..

I dont have any intent on seeing this sight shut down . As i told Dave i find Samson a good challenge.

 

[Bill]

My post that you reposted in #163 says knowledge of good and evil, I'm starting to wonder if your actually reading what I post. And in seeing that your missing words in simple posts makes me think your doctrine may be full of holes as well.
And again you failed to answer the question of who put the tree in the garden in the first place?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is what the carnal mind feeds on all ones unregenerate life. At salvation the evil that we have done is shunned because we can see it for what it is, but yet we still classify everything as either good or evil though both are the FRUIT OF THE SAME TREE which brings death if consumed. In order to have access to the TREE OF LIFE then the idea of GOOD must also be put away just as evil was. For in the putting away of evil we are exposed to the hearing of God and his words but in the putting away of good we SEE God as the instigator of every event in our lives as well as all others for the maturing of the elect at a minimum. Both of these actions require suffering on our part as the carnal mind dies when it cannot classify things as good or evil anymore. It has been shown that it is not in control. It is the experience of good and evil and the destruction of both that bring us to the mind of Christ and the ability then to follow in his steps. If God had not included the knowledge of both good and evil in the fruit then there would have never been a carnal mind to destroy nor a need for Jesus. So it can be concluded that God created both good and evil for our good, and his good pleasure to bring us to spiritual maturity as full grown SONS, and JOINT-HEIRS with our LORD.

Why do you so jump to conclusions , that i dont understand brother . I told you i was at work i just cant read everything . And now that i have gone back over what was all written . Plainly . You have no patience .

Who planted the tree. Techinally it was created . God placed it there.

After reading Bro Bears comments on the discussion. I understand his point on our discussion . To understand what evil is , is important, just as important as knowing what is pleasing to God. And that we should always strive to be pleasing to God.

But here lies the rub with predestination. If everything is predestined, why worry about what is pleasing to God?

 

[Bill]

to Samson 2020
I thought these passages would help:

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Can i ask a question? What does this statement have to do with predestination or did God create evil .

Or maybe there was a question way into the beginning that i missed

 

[Samson2020]

Brother Bill,

Sometimes the only way to get misunderstanding out of ourselves is to have it knocked out. I will always defend the Sovereignty of my Father. So as a tactician I will move my doctrinal opponent into a corner they cannot escape from with the truth shining right into their eye so that the false will be eradicated. But obviously for their benefit. I have been in the corner myself, don't feel good. Does God do this very thing in our lives? Yes. It is what helps us search and eventually find him. If life were a bowl of cherries we would never seek his face, or come to higher understand and more intimate relationship with him. We need encouragment.
He does these things to bring us into the relationship he wants with us. The story of Job is the perfect example where God makes the statement that Satan
had moved God to DESTROY JOB without cause. Although all the while God had a greater purpose in the evil that befell Job. Job wanted a closer relationship with God as he had HEARD about God but in the end he could now SEE God, but that SEEING only occurred because of the evil that was sent to cause his change of mind which caused him to ask questions he had never considered before. When God finally spoke he asked Job many questions and the answers to those questions were revelations of who God and Job really were. The first question was "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding! Could you answer that question today if God asked you? Would you be willing to undergo the suffering that Job went through to find out?
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart.
So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
Know now that God hath overthrown me.
Behold he taketh away, and who can hinder him?
He is in one mind and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked. I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder.
What? shall we recieve good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive EVIL?
Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet THOU DOST DESTROY ME.

In an earlier post I laid out the Greeks for the word JUDGEMENT which meant that it was a separation, a time of trouble, which is a way of knowing.
Could you agree with me that Gods judgement for Job satisfied all these parts. As he was alone, he was in troubles, and eventually came to a greater understanding of God.

I write this and the other posts to help those that may not understand why Evil has come into their lives. It is divine favor from God. And once that understanding sinks in to your soul that everything entering your life is directly from his hand, HE CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM YOU, because you will have climbed down off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and begun to eat of the tree of LIFE.

It's possible that this is not even meant for you, or maybe not for right now, but someone will benefit from this. And know that this is something that we cannot bring upon ourselves for we would not choose this but God knows whats best for me and you.

To answer your question we do not try to please God that would be works like a slave. We please God in that we LOVE HIM FOR HE FIRST LOVED US, and all the more as he shows us his intentions toward us. The predestination is a key you must use to understand his plan for all of humankind.

And I believe what you saw as impatience on my part was actually my belief that a breakthrough was imminent. God will work it all out in his own timing.
But at least the table has been prepared.

So know now that when EVIL enters your life your Father has selected you to know him better.

 

[hiep]

The biggest thing that separates the Jews is that they never the gave up the Law.

Acts 21:20
Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

Many years after Jesus had risen, the Jews believes they were better than gentiles of which the Old Testament Law encouraged. The Law did say it was unlawful for a Jew to associate with a gentile.
But with the Perfect Sacrifice, the Law was no longer valid.

Acts 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;

Romans 6:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

I disagree. There are nuances to the New Testament that you should know. The word law in the New Testament does not always refer to the law of Moses. There is no law that Moses commanded to not associate with gentiles. The law he's talking bout here is the oral law which are man made laws by the pharisees. The visions Peter had was God telling him not to call gentiles such as Cornelius and his 2 friends (3 visions for three people) unclean by human standards because God made them MORALLY clean.

 

[Bill]

Brother Bill,

Sometimes the only way to get misunderstanding out of ourselves is to have it knocked out. I will always defend the Sovereignty of my Father. So as a tactician I will move my doctrinal opponent into a corner they cannot escape from with the truth shining right into their eye so that the false will be eradicated. But obviously for their benefit. I have been in the corner myself, don't feel good. Does God do this very thing in our lives? Yes. It is what helps us search and eventually find him. If life were a bowl of cherries we would never seek his face, or come to higher understand and more intimate relationship with him. We need encouragment.
He does these things to bring us into the relationship he wants with us. The story of Job is the perfect example where God makes the statement that Satan
had moved God to DESTROY JOB without cause. Although all the while God had a greater purpose in the evil that befell Job. Job wanted a closer relationship with God as he had HEARD about God but in the end he could now SEE God, but that SEEING only occurred because of the evil that was sent to cause his change of mind which caused him to ask questions he had never considered before. When God finally spoke he asked Job many questions and the answers to those questions were revelations of who God and Job really were. The first question was "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding! Could you answer that question today if God asked you? Would you be willing to undergo the suffering that Job went through to find out?
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart.
So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
Know now that God hath overthrown me.
Behold he taketh away, and who can hinder him?
He is in one mind and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked. I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder.
What? shall we recieve good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive EVIL?
Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet THOU DOST DESTROY ME.

In an earlier post I laid out the Greeks for the word JUDGEMENT which meant that it was a separation, a time of trouble, which is a way of knowing.
Could you agree with me that Gods judgement for Job satisfied all these parts. As he was alone, he was in troubles, and eventually came to a greater understanding of God.

I write this and the other posts to help those that may not understand why Evil has come into their lives. It is divine favor from God. And once that understanding sinks in to your soul that everything entering your life is directly from his hand, HE CAN NO LONGER HIDE FROM YOU, because you will have climbed down off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and begun to eat of the tree of LIFE.

It's possible that this is not even meant for you, or maybe not for right now, but someone will benefit from this. And know that this is something that we cannot bring upon ourselves for we would not choose this but God knows whats best for me and you.

To answer your question we do not try to please God that would be works like a slave. We please God in that we LOVE HIM FOR HE FIRST LOVED US, and all the more as he shows us his intentions toward us. The predestination is a key you must use to understand his plan for all of humankind.

And I believe what you saw as impatience on my part was actually my belief that a breakthrough was imminent. God will work it all out in his own timing.
But at least the table has been prepared.

So know now that when EVIL enters your life your Father has selected you to know him better.

I wish i could share with you my life story , of Gods calling to me . All you have written i have walked . But it is the Lord that forbids me to share it . Even the 'snippet' i wrote earlier . That is the extent of what i can share.

There is a term , Dark night of the soul . That describs the life of Job in our own lives . Passing through the valley of death , death to this world. And being refined by the hand of God.

Peace brother

 

[Wnl]

Hi All
As regarding the explanation of (good and evil)
Read my post on the subject, particularly you Bill, it may help
you to understand why evil had to come into the world
via God, Written by the Holy Spirit.
With Love, Wnl

 

[Bill]

Hi All
As regarding the explanation of (good and evil)
Read my post on the subject, particularly you Bill, it may help
you to understand why evil had to come into the world
via God, Written by the Holy Spirit.
With Love, Wnl

Could you show which post or the name of the thread .please and thank you

 

[Wnl]

Hi Bill, press my site name W in green, then go into my messengers
it's on the second page, I hope you understand it, most don't or
realise the significance of this spiritual explanation.
GOOD AND EVIL
With Love, Wnl

 

[rhern53]

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

It is so amazing How God foreknew and let everyone fall into their designated box.

 

[Bill]

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

It is so amazing How God foreknew and let everyone fall into their designated box.

We are desinger boxes now . Lol . Teasing .

All are welcome at the table of the Lord .

" but Lord , when did we see you " when you fed the hungry, when you clothed the naked , when you defended the poor, when you gave up your life for another, when you loved from your heart.

Love yiur nieghbor as yourself , Love God with all you are.

 

[rhern53]

We are desinger boxes now . Lol . Teasing .

All are welcome at the table of the Lord .

" but Lord , when did we see you " when you fed the hungry, when you clothed the naked , when you defended the poor, when you gave up your life for another, when you loved from your heart.

Love yiur nieghbor as yourself , Love God with all you are.

this is serious

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

 

[Bill]

this is serious

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

My mo I'm

this is serious

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 99% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I am of the uncircumcised

They are blind to the Power of the Cross This is for me;

I thank God I am excepted in the Body of Christ.

Where do you want to be. You have a choice

My friend , after my tease, didnt you see what i said.

All are welcome at the Lords table

 

[Samson2020]

The Body of Christ is composed of the Elect that have been Baptized in the holy Ghost period. These are considered the Spiritual Jews (Chosen of God).
The knowing of the truth is what sets us free, and the truth is that if one is chosen then that one is of the elect and a member of the Body.
But you do not have a choice. If you are the elect of God he will open your eyes to see the truth of his plan in his own good time. If you are not to be a member of the elect group you will stay blinded to the truth of that plan no matter how many times a week you go to church, or tithe, or preach it is Gods choice not anyone elses. This is the Sovereignty of God. Similar to Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated before they were born to show us it is by HIS choice. He will accomplish HIS WILL on the earth as he does in Heaven and who is going to stop him?
As far as the elect are concerned I would quote Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE." That is to say he will not change his mind about who he has called.
I think you may be placing to much emphasis on anyones need to go tell them in the Churches what they teach is wrong. We know, but it's not up to us to go make a scene within their houses of worship, besides you'd just get thrown out, I know it's happened to me many times. When the Father wants to draw one of his own out of those houses he will provide them with revelation of truth then when they have digested that truth and seen that it is contradictory to their groups teachings they will "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE", but until that time they will remain in a state of infancy if they truly are elect.
I refer again to the 7 letters to the 7 churches in REVELATION. There are things that must be experienced within the Church community by us all in order to tell the difference between good solid doctrine and a flat out lie. The deeds and doctrine of the Nicolaitans, Jezebels teachings, the doctrine of Balaam, etc.. and in the overcoming of these errors in what they do or preach has a reward associated with each. This is a personal issue between the Lord and his elect and will happen when he chooses for it to happen. Rev 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten(correct); be zealous(for the truth) and repent." Of what you have done before you knew these truths. And especially if you knew and continued to do what he has told you not to do.

Those that do come out of her are rewarded with the HIDDEN MANNA, this is for them not those that have not come out or won't.
Those that do overcome are allowed to eat from the TREE OF LIFE, that tree contains no knowledge of good and evil just allows one to see who is really causing the world to move as it does and kills self will (carnal mind).

In saying all that I still enjoying posting here but the main focus for us all is to align with the New Covenant as well as we can and be patient for the changes that mature us be it day by day or week by week. We all grow according to HIS plan not ours. I would quote Jesus here: John 5:26-27 " For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. And hath GIVEN HIM AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE JUDGEMENT also, because he is the Son of man."
Remember when I broke down Judgement according to the Greeks. Judgement- a separation, involving a time of crisis, which is a way of knowing. Since he has been given authority to do this I think I will try harder to not get in the way for his judgement is far superior to mine. But I do know how you feel when you discover a new truth you just can't help yourself you want to tell the world, but the world cannot receive it because it is BLINDED.
He also speaks to the fact that there are those among the Churches that claim to be spiritual Jews (The elect) but are not. Rev 3:9, 2:2, 2:9. They are there on purpose to derail you from achieving to a higher inheritance in the Lord. If you overcome what has been placed in your path then you are rewarded accordingly. The rewards spoken of in the 7 letters still apply to ALL of the ELECT today as they did nearly 2000 years ago. Find yourself within the Church that the letter is written to and seek to overcome that issue and be rewarded. Then move on to the next.