1 Corinthians 6:9-10

[TaylorDonBarret]

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

So this passage explicitly states that certain groups of people will not be saved (they will not enter the kingdom of God). The most common interpretation is that, of course, anyone who repents of these and believes in Jesus will be saved. And, most people would agree, no one is going to achieve a perfect repentance, there is grace that applies to those who struggle and fall into sin. The important thing is the faith, the sincerity of the repentance, the confession of sin to God, and the striving for sinless perfection.

However, with the way the church is going, more and more people are going to believe that homosexuality and gay marriage is ok. There are already churches out there that condone gay marriage and have gay marriage ceremonies in their facilities. There are already people out there who believe in Jesus Christ, who go to church, who pray, who give to charity, who generally live a good life (by human standards) and even have some form of 'repentance' from all other forms of sin other than their homosexuality.

This leads us to a question: is there any chance that God will welcome such people into His kingdom? When this scripture clearly says that the homosexual will not enter?

What are your thoughts.

 

[Travis]

If someone is a homosexual, and they enjoy being a homosexual, they don't feel the least bit convicted that it is sinful or wrong, and they call themselves a Christian, I would say they are wrong, in calling themselves a Christian that is. I don't see how they could possibly be born again and have the Holy Spirit living inside of them. I just don't. There may be exceptions, some people that are really deceived, that God has plans to deal with them later on, idk. If someone tells me they are a homosexual and a Christian, I'm usually about 99% confident at least one of those statements is untrue, mainly the latter of the two.

If one is truly in Christ Jesus, regardless of what they have done, are doing, or will do, they are defined by their relationship to him, not their sin. Apart from Christ's righteousness, the king/prophet David would be sexually immoral, and idolater, an adulterer, a thief, greedy, a drunkard, and perhaps some more. These things would have defined his life. He was a lot better man than I will ever be. He is not defined by those things only because of what Christ did specifically for him, to make him right with God. I believe this is the Good News. It's only good news if you know the bad news first. That apart from the Good News, you are the most wretched of creatures with no hope at all.

Travis

 

[B-A-C]

Although "society", or the US government, and in some cases even "the church" think they are the ones who decide what is a sin or not; they aren't.

God and the Bible are what defines what sin is. The definition of sin doesn't change over time or according to the culture we live in.
Sin is sin no matter what anyone else says it is. Some sins can be forgiven... in fact the very next verse after 1 Cor 6:9-10; says...

1 Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

This of course requires that you quit living like you were living before you became a Christan.

There are other verses similar to 1 Cor 6:9-10; such as Galatians 5.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

It might be easy for some of us not to fornicate or commit adultery or even be homosexual, but how many of us can say we never envy?
How many of us can say we never argue or get jealous or get angry? Sometimes I wonder how many Christians are really addicted to alcohol?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

So this passage explicitly states that certain groups of people will not be saved (they will not enter the kingdom of God). The most common interpretation is that, of course, anyone who repents of these and believes in Jesus will be saved. And, most people would agree, no one is going to achieve a perfect repentance, there is grace that applies to those who struggle and fall into sin. The important thing is the faith, the sincerity of the repentance, the confession of sin to God, and the striving for sinless perfection.

However, with the way the church is going, more and more people are going to believe that homosexuality and gay marriage is ok. There are already churches out there that condone gay marriage and have gay marriage ceremonies in their facilities. There are already people out there who believe in Jesus Christ, who go to church, who pray, who give to charity, who generally live a good life (by human standards) and even have some form of 'repentance' from all other forms of sin other than their homosexuality.

This leads us to a question: is there any chance that God will welcome such people into His kingdom? When this scripture clearly says that the homosexual will not enter?

What are your thoughts.

First one would need to define the Kingdom of God vs the Kingdom of Heaven
Kingdom of God is here within us. When a born again spirit filled believer is walking in the blessing of the Lord they are dwelling in the Kingdom of God and this is where you find faith moving mountains and christians prospering in all area's of their lives and so forth.

The Kingdom of Heaven or Heaven is where His throne is. In revelation you find where heaven is brought down to earth but in the NT you find the kingdom of God is now is here etc.

So saying that a certain group of people or rather life styles wont inherit the kingdom of God seems to mean they will not walk in the blessings of the Lord. They will not be walking in His will or have His protection and so forth BUT it does not say they can not enter into Heaven,

Jesus suffered the cross to become mans redeemer. John 3:16 states who so ever.......can one of those be a who so ever ? You bet ya. Now then it is up to God to change their life style. Not you and NOT ME. If one does not change very much spiritually and this is all Christians not just those in question of this passage will loose out of a lot here on this earth.........The meanest serial killing woman rapeing drunkard will not got to hell for his killing and rapeing...He will go to hell if he never made Jesus Lord and savior over his life.

Well that's my take on it.
Have a wonderful and blessed week my friend
Jim

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

the plain meaning of the scripture is pretty clear. i think you are bending it to fit your own personal preferences. "Not all who say to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in Heaven will enter." - Jesus (faith without works is dead).

 

[Travis]

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one in the same, sometimes people will try and separate them to try and support some false doctrine or something.

What is the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?

Blessings,

Travis

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

the plain meaning of the scripture is pretty clear. i think you are bending it to fit your own personal preferences. "Not all who say to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in Heaven will enter." - Jesus (faith without works is dead).

I am not sure who you are talking to but the scripture your using about not all saying Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven....
The only ones who will here this are those who did not make Jesus their Lord and savior....What is the will of the father ? To believe in the one He sent....Again not sure who you are talking to but, I have not bent anything...

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one in the same, sometimes people will try and separate them to try and support some false doctrine or something.

What is the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?

Blessings,

Travis

No false doctrine !! Research it

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

No false doctrine !! Research it

I have started to research the kingdoms many times over the years and I have found it to be very complex.
There are also references to "the son of man coming in his kingdom".

The kingdom of God seems connected to "power" and display of God's grace.
Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
Luke 11:20But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matthew 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you

The kingdom of heaven is harder to peg down because there seems to be a future element tied to a "now is" element.
This verse is what I mean by having a "now is" element
Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This shows a future element
Matthew 13: 47“ Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind;
Matthew 13:48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away.
Matthew 13:49“ So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matthew 13:50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Well there is so much more to be considered that I gave up and hope for some fantastic revelation that will make it all clear to me.
Do not be to loose with the "false D accusation",that only hinders seeking truth.

Be aware:
Seeking truth is the no #1 killer of sacred cows.

 

[Travis]

More Information for anyone who is interested:

Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God
I recently got an email that read as follows:

I am studying with Koinonia Institute and have recently encountered a teaching that is making me feel very uncomfortable. I am being a Berean about this teaching and am therefore looking for some help from you if you can possibly provide some aid.

The teaching is that 1) The Kingdom of God is a separate entity from The Kingdom of Heaven. Additionally, we are being taught that 2) the Bride of Christ is only a remnant of the Body of Christ, thus we need to 3) work out our sanctification in order to inherit “the Kingdom.” Which kingdom, I am not sure. It is being claimed that our inheritance of salvation (justification) is blood bought and cannot be lost. I agree. However, the teaching that we must work for a second inheritance to rule and reign with Christ is not sitting well with me. I do believe that we are to allow the Holy Spirit to sanctify us, but I do not believe that we will “lose” our inheritance. Do you? I do believe we can earn or lose rewards–but not an inheritance. And finally, 4) a lot of Christians will be disappointed when they get to heaven because they will have forfeited their inheritance. Thus Scripture tells us there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but the God will wipe away every tear.​

Pardon my sigh. All I could think of was here we have yet another exegetically baseless “insight” that turns into some new doctrine. I thought readers might be interested in my reply (it’s short – promise).

The phrases kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are interchanged in the synoptic gospels (e.g., Matt. 3:2

= Mark 1:15

/ Matt 11:11

= Luke 7:28

), so a distinction is bogus. The OT and Second Temple antecedent literature does the same. In Daniel, for example, there is talk of God’s kingdom interchanged with “heaven rules” and similar phrases. In a nutshell, the phrase “the kingdom of heaven,” is a Jewish circumlocution (roundabout way of speaking) for “the kingdom of God” in order to avoid unnecessary use of the word “God” (cf. Mark 11:30–31

; Luke 15:18

, 21

). See here and here. The one by Davies and Allison is more technical but much shorter.

One cannot commit a sin that results in the loss of salvation. Salvation is not about moral perfection, hence it cannot be lost by moral imperfection. That said, those who profess to believe can turn their backs on God and choose another god or no god at all. Election does not rectify this situation, as Israel was elect, but many (most?) of the Israelites fell into idolatry. The key here is to realize that election and salvation are not synonyms. I’ve blogged about that before.

Think of it this way. With respect to Israelites, there are no Israelites in heaven whose loyalty was thrown to another god. Their “profession” means nothing if they were disloyal to Yahweh and worshipped another god (or no god at all). One had to believe in the true God. That belief was shown by spiritual loyalty to him, manifest by refusing to worship any other. Salvation in the OT was about believing loyalty. Same for the NT, since Jesus is this same God incarnate. No one will be in heaven who didn’t believe or who chose another God/Savior/faith. Likewise, there are no believers in Jesus in hell. The issue is believing loyalty directed exclusively at Jesus.This doesn’t resolve the question of people who make professions and then do not believe – as to whether they lost salvation or were never saved in the first place. I consider the question irrelevant. The issue is whether someone believes exclusively in Jesus or doesn’t. I don’t really care about their history. Whether someone had a profession or not prior to that question being raised is irrelevant. The solution is the same: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, for there is salvation in no other name (Acts 4:12

).​

From Dr. Michael Heiser

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

The phrases kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are interchanged in the synoptic gospels (e.g., Matt. 3:2

= Mark 1:15

/ Matt 11:11

= Luke 7:28

), so a distinction is bogus. The OT and Second Temple antecedent literature does the same. In Daniel, for example, there is talk of God’s kingdom interchanged with “heaven rules” and similar phrases. In a nutshell, the phrase “the kingdom of heaven,” is a Jewish circumlocution (roundabout way of speaking) for “the kingdom of God” in order to avoid unnecessary use of the word “God” (cf. Mark 11:30–31

; Luke 15:18

, 21

). See here and here. The one by Davies and Allison is more technical but much shorter.

His whole position is based upon the supposition that they did not want to unnecessarily use the word "God".

That's not a very strong argument
I see similarities as if they overlay each other in areas but there also seems to be differences.
Almost like a king and a kingdom are separate yet work in a synergy.
A king works within kingdom but the king and his army also move outside the kingdom to into an enemies kingdom.
Once the king has conquered he establishes his kingdom in the newly occupied territory.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I have started to research the kingdoms many times over the years and I have found it to be very complex.
There are also references to "the son of man coming in his kingdom".

The kingdom of God seems connected to "power" and display of God's grace.
Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
Luke 11:20But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matthew 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you

The kingdom of heaven is harder to peg down because there seems to be a future element tied to a "now is" element.
This verse is what I mean by having a "now is" element
Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This shows a future element
Matthew 13: 47“ Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind;
Matthew 13:48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away.
Matthew 13:49“ So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matthew 13:50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Well there is so much more to be considered that I gave up and hope for some fantastic revelation that will make it all clear to me.
Do not be to loose with the "false D accusation",that only hinders seeking truth.

Be aware:
Seeking truth is the no #1 killer of sacred cows.

Thank You for taking time to write out a reply. I knew I would have to present some facts with scripture but had a full schedule today and did not have time to post anything. I kept praying about it and gave it to God. Then you got involved and all I can say is....That is God !!
Thank You again,
Blessings
Jim

 

[Travis]

His whole position is based upon the supposition that they did not want to unnecessarily use the word "God".

Dr. Heiser is a bible scholar, but more than that, he is a historian, especially of ancient Jewish culture/history. This concept of the Jews avoiding using the word God, or avoiding making his name common is a pretty well established fact. Heiser hardly ever speaks flippantly. He knows that his words are always under potential scrutiny. I believe that if you look more into this specific aspect of what is being talked about here, you will see that Dr. Heiser is not just pulling things out of his hat, but that there is a solid foundation he is working with. If you don't feel like looking into it, that's ok too.

As mentioned in my previous posts, the phrase "kingdom of Heaven," is used only in Matthew, and is used interchangeably with the phrase "Kingdom of God," in accounts of the exact same events in the other gospels, quite often. It's hard to use terms interchangeably like that if they are actually two very different things. I don't think God is trying to confuse us.

Blessings!

Travis

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Lets just assume that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Heaven are two different things.

Kingdom of God = Holy Spirit living inside of you.
Kingdom of Heaven = another dimension in the universe where God lives and His angels and saints reside.

Ok, thats fine. But entering the Kingdom of Heaven requires entering the kingdom of God, so the point is really mute anyways.



That being said, salvation is by grace through faith. However, faith alone will not save us. "Not all who say to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in Heaven will enter". Faith without works is dead... even the demons believe.

 

[Travis]

That being said, salvation is by grace through faith. However, faith alone will not save us. "Not all who say to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in Heaven will enter". Faith without works is dead... even the demons believe.

Hi Taylor,

Glad to see you around. I think that the point of 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Matthew 7:23, the parable of the talents, and the parable of the foolish virgins is that these people don't really have faith. Not the faith that comes from God anyway. Their actions bear witness to this, despite what their mouths say.

What is it that makes you think these people actually have saving faith?

Blessings,

Travis

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Hi Taylor,

Glad to see you around. I think that the point of 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Matthew 7:23, the parable of the talents, and the parable of the foolish virgins is that these people don't really have faith. Not the faith that comes from God anyway. Their actions bear witness to this, despite what their mouths say.

What is it that makes you think these people actually have saving faith?

Blessings,

Travis

I myself have a difficult time understanding exactly how these verses relate to eachother. The bible says that "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead then you will be saved.", which seems to be an absolute claim and a complete blanket statement that every single person, no matter how they may behave or what they may think of God, no matter how much they may love or hate God, they will all be saved, each and every one of them, just so long as they confess with their mouth and believe in their heart. But then we have other verses like "Faith without works is dead", "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven", and all those many hundreds of verses which demand repentance and a level of love for God and man and good works to prove it.

Most modern day protestant's reconcile these verses by saying that there is a type of "faith" which is not really FAITH, but is a dead faith, and good for nothing. I understand this point of view and it seems the easiest way to reconcile the verses. But i think it is a bit dangerous to preach the message this way, because if we insist that it is by faith and faith alone, then there will be many people who are not saved, yet because they 'know for sure' that they do in fact believe, they will go on being deceived and wind up in hell.

on the other hand, i would say that there is a much harder way to preach this message. it is not popular, but it would be that the statements in the bible about salvation being by faith are only general blanket statements that assume a certain level of Love for God, genuine repentance, and a struggling on the part of the individual to be as Holy as possible.

I think it is biblical to say that God's promise for Salvation only apply to those who not only believe, but who repent, believe, love, trust, and try their best to obey Him. so that leaves a whole big lump of people who may believe, but yet do not repent, do not love, do not trust, do not try their best to obey.. and yet are not saved. and i think it is biblical to say that.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I myself have a difficult time understanding exactly how these verses relate to eachother. The bible says that "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead then you will be saved.", which seems to be an absolute claim and a complete blanket statement that every single person, no matter how they may behave or what they may think of God, no matter how much they may love or hate God, they will all be saved, each and every one of them, just so long as they confess with their mouth and believe in their heart. But then we have other verses like "Faith without works is dead", "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of Heaven", and all those many hundreds of verses which demand repentance and a level of love for God and man and good works to prove it.

Most modern day protestant's reconcile these verses by saying that there is a type of "faith" which is not really FAITH, but is a dead faith, and good for nothing. I understand this point of view and it seems the easiest way to reconcile the verses. But i think it is a bit dangerous to preach the message this way, because if we insist that it is by faith and faith alone, then there will be many people who are not saved, yet because they 'know for sure' that they do in fact believe, they will go on being deceived and wind up in hell.

on the other hand, i would say that there is a much harder way to preach this message. it is not popular, but it would be that the statements in the bible about salvation being by faith are only general blanket statements that assume a certain level of Love for God, genuine repentance, and a struggling on the part of the individual to be as Holy as possible.

I think it is biblical to say that God's promise for Salvation only apply to those who not only believe, but who repent, believe, love, trust, and try their best to obey Him. so that leaves a whole big lump of people who may believe, but yet do not repent, do not love, do not trust, do not try their best to obey.. and yet are not saved. and i think it is biblical to say that.

Hi Taylor,

In your last line you said ((( I think it is biblical to say that God's promise for Salvation only apply to those who not only believe, but who repent, believe, love, trust, and try their best to obey Him. so that leaves a whole big lump of people who may believe, but yet do not repent, do not love, do not trust, do not try their best to obey.. and yet are not saved. and i think it is biblical to say that.)))

See there is a big problem with this type of thinking. You are now entering into the realm of judging who is saved and who is not. That is something none of us should ever do. I am saying this not as to attack you but to point a few things out is all.
John 3:16 states who so ever...........Not who has learned to do this or that but any one who believes in the name of Jesus and cries out to be saved is SAVED. It stops right there.

To repent means to turn in another direction.....They do this when they surrender their life over to Christ. They also ask to be forgiven of all their sins.....and they are. Now for the rest it is an on going process of LEARNING to walk in the ways of God. If as person takes 500 years to learn how to do any of them it does NOT in any way shape or form question if they are saved or not.
You have turned the free gift of salvation unto a work orientated event and this simply is not true.
What you haver shown is the level of operating with in the kingdom of God would be for some. Those who have not yet been perfected and walk in lots of love and forgiveness and so forth would not be experiencing a lot of blessings and such but are still very much saved.

Blessings
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Hi Taylor,

Glad to see you around. I think that the point of 1 Corinthians 5:9-10, Matthew 7:23, the parable of the talents, and the parable of the foolish virgins is that these people don't really have faith. Not the faith that comes from God anyway. Their actions bear witness to this, despite what their mouths say.

What is it that makes you think these people actually have saving faith?

Blessings,

Travis

Travis how are you connecting the verses you quoted with those parables you mentioned ?
1 Corinthians 5:9-10 is talking about not fellowshipping with people who say they are Christians and still live this type of life style.
Matthew 7:23, is talking about people who thought they were good enough to get into heaven by the things they did or the life style they lived and get told depart from me for I never knew you because they never made Jesus Lord and Savior of their life. They have not the blood of Christ to cleanse them......

The two parables are dealing with other things not connected to saving faith. If I missed your point sorry and clue me in please.
Blessings
Jim

 

[RJ]

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

So this passage explicitly states that certain groups of people will not be saved (they will not enter the kingdom of God). The most common interpretation is that, of course, anyone who repents of these and believes in Jesus will be saved. And, most people would agree, no one is going to achieve a perfect repentance, there is grace that applies to those who struggle and fall into sin. The important thing is the faith, the sincerity of the repentance, the confession of sin to God, and the striving for sinless perfection.

However, with the way the church is going, more and more people are going to believe that homosexuality and gay marriage is ok. There are already churches out there that condone gay marriage and have gay marriage ceremonies in their facilities. There are already people out there who believe in Jesus Christ, who go to church, who pray, who give to charity, who generally live a good life (by human standards) and even have some form of 'repentance' from all other forms of sin other than their homosexuality.

This leads us to a question: is there any chance that God will welcome such people into His kingdom? When this scripture clearly says that the homosexual will not enter?

What are your thoughts.

I am sure there will be a many of a homosexual go to heaven. The key though is being truly "Born Again" and repentant.
There must be all stages of homosexual Christians, those completely cured and abstaining from the immorality and those who hate their sin but are still in different stages of struggling with it.
Then, there are those who are not repentant and they of course are unsaved, unless they change their ways and repentant.

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Hi Taylor,

In your last line you said ((( I think it is biblical to say that God's promise for Salvation only apply to those who not only believe, but who repent, believe, love, trust, and try their best to obey Him. so that leaves a whole big lump of people who may believe, but yet do not repent, do not love, do not trust, do not try their best to obey.. and yet are not saved. and i think it is biblical to say that.)))

See there is a big problem with this type of thinking. You are now entering into the realm of judging who is saved and who is not. That is something none of us should ever do. I am saying this not as to attack you but to point a few things out is all.
John 3:16 states who so ever...........Not who has learned to do this or that but any one who believes in the name of Jesus and cries out to be saved is SAVED. It stops right there.

To repent means to turn in another direction.....They do this when they surrender their life over to Christ. They also ask to be forgiven of all their sins.....and they are. Now for the rest it is an on going process of LEARNING to walk in the ways of God. If as person takes 500 years to learn how to do any of them it does NOT in any way shape or form question if they are saved or not.
You have turned the free gift of salvation unto a work orientated event and this simply is not true.
What you haver shown is the level of operating with in the kingdom of God would be for some. Those who have not yet been perfected and walk in lots of love and forgiveness and so forth would not be experiencing a lot of blessings and such but are still very much saved.

Blessings
Jim

Lets examine this step by step. Jesus says that whoever believes in Him will not perish. Some take this as an absolute blanket statement that every single person who believes, without any exceptions what so ever, will be saved. But Jesus Himself says "Not all who say to me 'Lord, Lord!" will enter the kingdom of Heaven". So we see right away that not everyone who believes that Jesus is Lord will be saved. There are other requirements: Repentance, for Jesus says "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish". Love, for Jesus says that the first and greatest commandment is to love God with all your being. Obedience, for Jesus says that if we love Him we will obey His commands. And all these things explicitly require trust, for is we love, obey, repent, and believe, we will most certainly have to trust. Is there an element of knowledge that is required as well? Why, yes there is, because God says "My people perish for a lack of knowledge. So, as we see, faith without works is dead. And anyone who claims to know God but yet walks in darkness lies and the truth is not in them. Of course, there is a baby period for all new Christians, where the recently born-again individual is guided through repentance, learning to love God, trust God, and obey God. But without these steps, we can be certain that the person in question is not saved at all. Now, your right, its not for us to judge who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. But God has already revealed to us in His word what the requirements are for each, and we can say with confidence what one must possess (faith, repentance, love, trust, obedience) in order to be saved. The false-grace, hyper-grace, easy believism gospel is not the one found in scripture, except for isolated verses taken out of context and twisted to delight the hearts of sinful men.