70 Weeks of Daniel Prophecy - Already Fulfilled or Not?

[Dave M]

Never have been able to get my head around this common teaching that there is still one week left,

perhaps it has already been fulfilled, the need for animal sacrifices stopped when Jesus died for everyones sin

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Never have been able to get my head around this common teaching that there is still one week left,

perhaps it has already been fulfilled, the need for animal sacrifices stopped when Jesus died for everyones sin

Which "authoritative" rank speculation would you like????

 

[Bill]

Never have been able to get my head around this common teaching that there is still one week left,

perhaps it has already been fulfilled, the need for animal sacrifices stopped when Jesus died for everyones sin

It has not happened yet brother

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes, already fulfilled. No gap.

 

[Rockerduck]

Daniels 490 year prophecy is not finished until the 7 years of tribulation are completed. 483 yrs. were fulfilled at the Cross, and then the church age started. We are waiting for the rapture then the 7 year tribulation begins, completing the 490 year prophecy. Note, these are prophetic years.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Daniels 490 year prophecy is not finished until the 7 years of tribulation are completed. 483 yrs. were fulfilled at the Cross, and then the church age started. We are waiting for the rapture then the 7 year tribulation begins, completing the 490 year prophecy. Note, these are prophetic years.

That's the orthodox teaching, but read the text carefully and use your own brain to think CRITICALLY, how does it imply that there's the entire church age put between the 69th and the 70th week? Gabriel declared to Daniel that SEVENTY WEEKS were determined, where does this 2000 year plus "gap" come from? Yeah, every pastor is preaching that, "you have heard what is said", but what does the Holy Spirit say to you?

 

[Rockerduck]

That's the orthodox teaching, but read the text carefully and use your own brain to think CRITICALLY, how does it imply that there's the entire church age put between the 69th and the 70th week? Gabriel declared to Daniel that SEVENTY WEEKS were determined, where does this 2000 year plus "gap" come from? Yeah, every pastor is preaching that, "you have heard what is said", but what does the Holy Spirit say to you?

One year ago the Holy Spirit told me " when all the Jews return to Israel". and I saw a 2 years. This is a rapture dream of what is to come. The Holy Spirit tells you what is to come.

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Jeremiah 23:3- But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

Only 3 verses in the Bible allude to this time:

Ezekiel 30:3 – For the day is near, Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 - And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Roman 11:25 - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

-6 days of creation
-6000 years from Adam
-Joshua circled Jericho 6 times and on the 7th they shouted and blew trumpets foretelling the end

2 Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the one day Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Times up, we are at the end.

Just remember:
Deuteronomy 29:29 - The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever

 

[complete]

One year ago the Holy Spirit told me " when all the Jews return to Israel". and I saw a 2 years. This is a rapture dream of what is to come. The Holy Spirit tells you what is to come.

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Jeremiah 23:3- But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

Only 3 verses in the Bible allude to this time:

Ezekiel 30:3 – For the day is near, Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 - And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Roman 11:25 - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

-6 days of creation
-6000 years from Adam
-Joshua circled Jericho 6 times and on the 7th they shouted and blew trumpets foretelling the end

2 Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the one day Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Times up, we are at the end.

Just remember:
Deuteronomy 29:29 - The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever

'However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come,
He will guide you into all truth;
for He will not speak on His own authority,
but whatever He hears He will speak;
and He will tell you things to come.'
(John 16:13 - )

Hello @Rockerduck,

The Scripture that you have quoted (above) was spoken to the Lord's disciples. The words therefore, 'He will tell you things to come', is for them, and should not be applied to ourselves. John himself was given knowledge of what will happen in, 'the Lord's Day', to record for our learning, but we do not hear of all the disciples themselves being given this privilege, or this responsibiity. So, no, we are not all told of things to come.

Deuteronomy 29:29 was also spoken to a specific person for a specific people. Yet I agree that the time of the Gentiles is nearing it's close.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Dave M]

The Scripture that you have quoted (above) was spoken to the Lord's disciples. The words therefore, 'He will tell you things to come', is for them, and should not be applied to ourselves.

My question to you @complete is ,,,,,,,,,,,,do you NOT consider yourself a disciple of Jesus??

 

[PloughBoy]

'However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come,
He will guide you into all truth;
for He will not speak on His own authority,
but whatever He hears He will speak;
and He will tell you things to come.'
(John 16:13 - )

Hello @Rockerduck,

The Scripture that you have quoted (above) was spoken to the Lord's disciples. The words therefore, 'He will tell you things to come', is for them, and should not be applied to ourselves. John himself was given knowledge of what will happen in, 'the Lord's Day', to record for our learning, but we do not hear of all the disciples themselves being given this privilege, or this responsibiity. So, no, we are not all told of things to come.

Deuteronomy 29:29 was also spoken to a specific person for a specific people. Yet I agree that the time of the Gentiles is nearing it's close.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
( WHEN LAST THE STONE HAS BEEN LAID)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

One year ago the Holy Spirit told me " when all the Jews return to Israel". and I saw a 2 years. This is a rapture dream of what is to come. The Holy Spirit tells you what is to come.

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Jeremiah 23:3- But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

Only 3 verses in the Bible allude to this time:

Ezekiel 30:3 – For the day is near, Even the day of the Lord is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 - And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Roman 11:25 - For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

-6 days of creation
-6000 years from Adam
-Joshua circled Jericho 6 times and on the 7th they shouted and blew trumpets foretelling the end

2 Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the one day Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Times up, we are at the end.

Just remember:
Deuteronomy 29:29 - The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever

yes, absolutely, we’re at the end, I’m not disagreeing with you, but back to the topic of this thread, there’s just NO leftover final week. Those 70 weeks were to seal up the vision. Daniel was also told to seal up the prophesy till the end. When it comes to the end though, the first event to kick start the whole end time sequence is to OPEN THE FIRST SEAL! So how could this final week to “seal the vision” be the end time great tribulation when the Lord himself opens the sealed scroll?

 

[PloughBoy]

My question to you @complete is ,,,,,,,,,,,,do you NOT consider yourself a disciple of Jesus??

MAY I SAY, this, she is my sister, to me, so is she more, She is a "CHILD of THE LIVING GOD" born of GOD, A HEAVENLY BIRTH, called of GOD and "SANCTIFIED" before Time EXISTED! DECREED and "INDICATIVE" "A FULL Shared INHERITANCE" with The Only SON of THE LIVING GOD who is has become her "not only her LORD, and GOD, CREATOR, but THE SAME LORD, has become her brother., "Indicative" "for Our FATHER has taught all or us who are his "True Children" EVEN THE LORD HIMSELF, how to love each other, The us , who are "BORN of GOD" for WE are more than a mere disciple of Christ, we are the "ANOINTED ONES" that CREATION even HEAVEN itself, is waiting for "OUR MANIFESTATION"! For we ARE "THE GLORY of GOD" " Indicative" Now you ought to know that TOO! "AND THIS WORLD DOES NOT KNOW WHO WE ARE, UNTIL WE ARE "MANIFESTED"! The world think we are just people who just believe something, like other folks and religions! We are different "CREATURES" we are not likeThe EARTHLINGS! We are "BORN of HEAVEN" for there is our CITIZENSHIP by BIRTH and NOT BY BELIEF. IT IS A GIFT.

I know she can speak for herself. BUT I am PLOUGHBOY! and how do I know all this, Because The FATHER would not have us ignorance for who we are to one another,

 

[complete]

'My question to you @complete is ,,,,,,,,,,,,do you NOT consider yourself a disciple of Jesus??

Hello @Dave M,

@PloughBoy, has kindly answered your question on my behalf, far better than I could have.

The twelve had a ministry to fulfill, and were equipped for that ministry in a way that we have no need to be. We have the words of the prophets, and the Scriptures written for our learning, it is through them that we learn of things to come.

Thank you
As a member of the Body of Christ.
Chris

 

[Dave M]

The twelve had a ministry to fulfill, and were equipped for that ministry in a way that we have no need to be. We have the words of the prophets, and the Scriptures written for our learning, it is through them that we learn of things to come.

interesting but do we not all have a ministry to fulfill,??

did they not have scripture and the prophets also?

thanks

 

[complete]

interesting but do we not all have a ministry to fulfill,??

did they not have scripture and the prophets also?

thanks

Hello @Dave M,

Yes they did have the Old Testament Scriptures, as you say: but the book of Revelation, the epistles and the combined witness of the gospels are an invaluable addition which you and I are blessed with, aren't we? which are the result of the Apostolic work and witness, as servants of the risen Christ, in the hands of the Holy Spirit, by the will of God the Father.

Thanks be to God
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

Never have been able to get my head around this common teaching that there is still one week left,

perhaps it has already been fulfilled, the need for animal sacrifices stopped when Jesus died for everyone's sin

Subject heading:- 70 Weeks of Daniel Prophecy - Already Fulfilled or Not?​

Hello @Dave M,
Forgive me, for I realise that I have been instrumental in derailing your thread.

'Seventy weeks are determined
upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
.. to finish the transgression,
.... and to make an end of sins,
...... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
........ and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
.......... and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
............ and to anoint the most Holy.'
(Dan 9:24)

* The seventy weeks 'determined' are a period of 490 years. The last week is split into two parts, 'He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease' (Daniel 9:27). The one week is a period of 7 years, half therefore being 3 1/2 yrs.

* The word 'determined' means 'to cut off', and the passage indicates that God has set apart this period of time in which He will accomplish His purposes for The People (Israel) and The City (Jerusalem).

* At present Israel is in a loammi condition, 'not My People', and during a Loammi period the prophetic clock stops.

I don't profess to understand it, I wish I did,

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

* The seventy weeks 'determined' are a period of 490 years. The last week is split into two parts, 'He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease' (Daniel 9:27). The one week is a period of 7 years, half therefore being 3 1/2 yrs.

You just have to make a judgement call on whether Dan. 9:27 is the "abomination of desolation" which Christ warned about in the Olivet Discourse. If yes, then it was fulfilled around 70AD, marked by the destruction of the temple, and wrapped up the second temple period; if no, then it's not fulfilled, the last week is still hung in the air until the Great Tribulation.

 

[Dave M]

this is an interesting point of view from someone.

" The Jewish leadership accused Stephen of saying that Christ would fulfill Daniel 9:27.

During his response Stephen never denied the accusation.

Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. Daniel's 70 weeks have been completed, based on a plain, literal, reading of God's Word. "

 

[Dave M]

'Seventy weeks are determined
upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
.. to finish the transgression,
.... and to make an end of sins,
...... and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
........ and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
.......... and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
............ and to anoint the most Holy.'
(Dan 9:24)

thanks, Chris for this. so it is the thought of many it seems that these 6 things mentioned have not been fulfilled and will be at a later date, thus why they insert a huge gap in the timeline, even though the bible makes no mention of such a gap.

so when we look at the 6 things if we can canclude they have been fulfilled then we can conclude that Daniels's timeline is indeed finished,

Am I following correctly so far??

 

[complete]

thanks, Chris for this. so it is the thought of many it seems that these 6 things mentioned have not been fulfilled and will be at a later date, thus why they insert a huge gap in the timeline, even though the bible makes no mention of such a gap.

so when we look at the 6 things, if we can conclude they have been fulfilled, then we can conclude that Daniels's timeline is indeed finished,

Am I following correctly so far??

Hello Dave M,

Daniel 9:24 - seventy sevens

a. Finish transgression.
b. Make an end of sin.
c. To make atonement for iniquity.
d. Bring in everlasting righteousness.
e. Seal up - vision and prophecy.
f. Anoint the Most Holy.

Daniel 9:25-26 - seven sevens and sixtytwo sevens

a. The City - Restoration.
b. The Messiah - Coming.
c. Seven sevens and sixty-two sevens.
e. After sixty-two sevens.
f. The Messiah - Cut Off.
g. The City - Destroyed.

Daniel 9:26-27 - The one seven. The midst of the seven.

a. Desolation decreed .
b. End of Desolator.
c. Covenant made.
d. One seven. - 7 years,
d. Midst of seven. - 3.5 years
e. Covenant broken.
f. End of Desolator.

'Seventy weeks are determined upon Thy people and upon Thy holy city'
The word, 'determined' means 'to cut off', and the passage indicates that God has set apart this period of time in which He will accomplish His purposes
for the people and the city.

'To Finish' - is a translation of Kala, which means 'to restrain', or 'shut up', as in a prison. 'The Transgression' (Pesha) [transgressor'( pasha)] that is to be 'shut up', or 'imprisoned', occur in Daniel 8:12-13 and Daniel 8:23.

"The little horn ... magnified himself even to (against) the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
and an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression ...
the transgression of desolation ... in the latter time of their kingdom,
and the transgressors are come to the full'
(Dan. 8:9, 11 - 13,23)

* In Daniel 9 and Matthew 24:15 it is 'the abomination of desolation': here it is the transgression of desolation'. This refers to the violation of the temple and its sacrifices, and the desolation, once more, of Jerusalem. The day, however, is fixed when thiss desolation shall for ever cease, and the Desolator be imprisoned. Is this not a forecast of the imprisonment of the False Prophet and Satan as revealed in the book of Revelation.

* 'To make an end of sins' - the word 'chatham'- 'to make an end' occurs twice in Daniel 9:24, for it is translated also, 'to seal up'. 'to seal up the vision and prophecy'. The sealing up of Israel's sins must be read with such wonderful expressions as, 'Thou hast cast all my sins behind Thy back' (Isa. 38:17). God can righteously seal up Israel's sins, because the great atonement has been accomplished by Christ.

* To make reconciliation for iniquity' - the words 'to make atonement' is kaphar, and that is the word used here.

* Three more blessings follow as a sequel, 'To bring in age abiding righteousness', 'To seal up the vision and prophecy', and 'To anoint the Most Holy'.

* Righteousness is to be the characteristic of Jerusalem and her people at the time of the end.
* 'To seal up the vision and prophecy' is not something I can comment on.
* 'To anoint the Most Holy' - refers to the cleansing of the sanctuary referred to in Daniel 8:14.

In a rush. I have to go now, hoping to return.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris