No it isn't. Tell me then why it is promised in Acts 1:11 that Yeshua will return "in like manner". It doesn't say that we will ascend "in like manner", but He will. And don't bother to argue that he's gonna come in multiple times, 'cuz there's only ONE second coming. Yeshua warned that false prophets will mislead people to seek Yeshua here and there before the time comes.
Did i say there were multible times?
Scripture states, Yeshua will come on a cloud to US (Matt. 24:30, 26:64, Act 1:11), not the other way around. Unless the two witnesses are the church, which is a legit interpretation, there's no ascension of the church.
Jonathan May the Lord's peace be always with you.
May the Holy Spirit enlighten you and direct you to see the truth. You should take a moment to read Matt. 24:30, 26:64, Act 1:11.
That is your personal interpretation.
No, that’s exactly what those verses I quoted actually say. If you believe that the Scripture doesn’t contradict itself, then that’s a natural conclusion.
You wanna talk about what the Scripture actually said? Fine, 1 Thess. 4:16 says that Yeshua will come down from heaven as well, how are we supposed to meet him if we are simultaneously taken up into heaven? That makes no sense, unless you acknowledge His descension instead of our ascension. Our blessed hope is not this so called “rapture”, but the mass resurrection, the same power that raised Yeshua from the dead will raise us from the dead.
Your conclusion is too human . Who said we are going up to heaven first ?
You are correct about the false teaching of the rapture. That is only a delusion from the devil to misguide Christians away from God .
Johnathan, if you want the Holy Spirit to work through you . You will need to become open to Its way of thinking. And that is outside the box.
Who? Every dispensationalist that preaches pre-trib rapture. If we are not taken up into heaven, then we're still on earth, and that's what actually makes perfect sense since Yeshua will rule the whole earth with a rod of iron and we're supposed to inherit the kingdom, which is right here on earth, not in heaven. Nowhere in the bible says that we go to heaven for seven years then come back with Yeshua at the end.
Look, the bottom line is simple, when the great day of the Lord comes, HE COMES TO US. If we are to meet Him in a clouds, then a cloud he rides sweeps low and draws near to us. That's the logical and biblical conclusion. I'm the one thinking out of the box based on the principle of Sola Scriptura, letting the bible intepret itself, you're stuck to your doctrine.
There's no such "if". When one dies, soul comes to the Bema seat, body becomes worm food. Before the Bema seat, Satan will be accusing us, since he's the "accuser of our brethren day and night", while Yeshua will defend us. There's no soul sleep, that's a total false doctrine, it's not even scientific since soul is more active during REM phase. In the end, He shall come and get us, that's the bodily resurrection.
The pre-tribulation Rapture teaching is false teaching
The great day of the Lord and the return are the second coming is not the same thing. The great day of the Lord is the same thing as this breaking of the six seal
Brother you will get your horse but you're already too late for the white horse it is already come and gonejust a simple question, then if he doesn't come and get us, how are we going to get to "heaven" for the "coronation" Celebration Ceremony, The Bema Seat, The Crowing of the Lord, The Crowning of The Saints, and for The Ceremony Dinner, and receive our Eternal Positions and Orders concerning Our Joint REIGN, and Receive our 'Joint Inheritance" and The FATHERS Declaration Ceremony SPEECH, Of WHAT everything is ALL About and HIS plans. Jesus Has to come get us and takes us there where he is at now! He promise, He does not lie. How are we going to go there unless he comes and get us and take us there!
He is the only one , knows "THE WAY" He is THE WAY! Oh I forgot, GOD has MADE some Horses, I want mines, I want my Horse! I want my WHITE HORSE! I will be riding back to earth, I" m going to SHOW BOAT! I will be Riding In "GLORY"! BRIGHTER than The SUN! And maybe My Horses eyes will flame like fire Too! and His Hoofs Sparks and Sound like THUNDER Singing in the SKY!
The Rider on the White Horse
…13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.…
