70 Weeks of Daniel Prophecy - Already Fulfilled or Not?

[Bill]

One final thing about calling scripture a crutch,,,, God gave us scripture to be a sword, a weapon against the enemy, a shield of armor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyone who calls scripture a crutch in my mind seems to be trying to disarm us from the armor of God ! '

so I take offense of anyone saying scripture is any sort of crutch!! it is God's gift of body armor for us to use against the enemy and if you're not using it chances are you have been deceived !!

As far as what i spoke. the scripture has become a crutch. If it hasn't, show me here the person who knows the experiences they have in the Lord, (that can not be found in scripture) . They know thier experience comes from God without a doubt.

Can you accept an experience not found in scripture, to be of God?

 

[Bill]

To be hoenst, I didn't really know what the Holy Spirit was all about, I thought it was just this sudden rush of awestruck emotion you feel in a worship session or some other gathering event, there's a lot of superstitions laden in the third person of the Trinity and it caused a hell load of confusion; but after reading the Farewell Speech in John, I got the simple answer - Holy Spirit is the spirit of TRUTH, nothing fancy or mysterious. And that's how you discern the spirits is to seprate the fact from fiction, the truth from lies, the reality from imagination, and most importantly, Jesus Christ from false christs. Therefore, you know, by this biblical definition, any brave parent, journalist or doctor who has the gut to stand out and speak against the lying, satanic narrative is filled with the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, and they're doing a much better job than most pastors at the pulpit.

The Holy Spirit is the Love of the Father to the Son, and the Son's love to the Father.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The Holy Spirit is the Love of the Father to the Son, and the Son's love to the Father.

Anything better than "holy superpower" or "divine electricity" will do. I often argue that "holy ghost" is the worst translation that ruined the entire KJV, because a ghost even in Jesus's days referred to the sighting of dead people or forgotten people, that's what doubting Thomas thought when he first saw the resurrected Lord. And the term "spirit" is used in other places such as Gen. 1:2, but somehow only in the third person of the trinity is translated "holy ghost".

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Brother Dave

In 1Corinthians chapter 12, KJV and a few others give "... discerning of spirits... " and many others translations/versions give " ... distinguishing between/of spirits ... "
From what I understand, this is something 'given' by the Lord, not learned.

Much love


Bless you ....><>

Greetings,

if i may add that the words we read in different translations and versions that either use 'discern' or 'discernment' or allude to it, come from different Greek and Hebrew words with different meanings and applications. There's a few of them.

When you look, you find sometimes a deeper understanding of what is being 'said' in the written word.

I encourage you all to do so.

One point i will make [repeat] is that the 'gift of discernment' is not the same as some other mentions of discernment or related words ( i say related, because in some translations we read 'discern' or 'discernment' but other versions/translations use a different word that could be rendered discern/discerment. )

It would appear that the 'gift of discernment' is 'different' from testing, proving or perceiving, knowing, noticing, considering, observing or judging; all of which can be 'read' as discern/discernment and we can take it for granted that it all means the same thing. English is a pesky language at times, and we can speak and comminicate error if we are not aware of the differences, even if we do it innocently.
Being able to 'spot the difference' because we are clued up or have the nouce is not the same as the gift given that we read about in 1Corinthians 12


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bill]

Greetings,

if i may add that the words we read in different translations and versions that either use 'discern' or 'discernment' or allude to it, come from different Greek and Hebrew words with different meanings and applications. There's a few of them.

When you look, you find sometimes a deeper understanding of what is being 'said' in the written word.

I encourage you all to do so.

One point i will make [repeat] is that the 'gift of discernment' is not the same as some other mentions of discernment or related words ( i say related, because in some translations we read 'discern' or 'discernment' but other versions/translations use a different word that could be rendered discern/discerment. )

It would appear that the 'gift of discernment' is 'different' from testing, proving or perceiving, knowing, noticing, considering, observing or judging; all of which can be 'read' as discern/discernment and we can take it for granted that it all means the same thing. English is a pesky language at times, and we can speak and comminicate error if we are not aware of the differences, even if we do it innocently.
Being able to 'spot the difference' because we are clued up or have the nouce is not the same as the gift given that we read about in 1Corinthians 12


Bless you ....><>

Hello Brother, those are good points.

If i could put it this way, the Discernment mode in my being is always in use. I use God's Discernment in every avenue of my life. From awareness of what spirits are in the room ( Angels and darkness) to things i hear on the radio. To what foods God says are ok to eat (fasting). Even while playing cards ( God is there too).

I guess it is like everything else spiritual. My mind is with God all the time.

 

[Bill]

Anything better than "holy superpower" or "divine electricity" will do. I often argue that "holy ghost" is the worst translation that ruined the entire KJV, because a ghost even in Jesus's days referred to the sighting of dead people or forgotten people, that's what doubting Thomas thought when he first saw the resurrected Lord. And the term "spirit" is used in other places such as Gen. 1:2, but somehow only in the third person of the trinity is translated "holy ghost".

This again is not something found in words, in scripture. But it is what the Lord shared with me. That the Holy Spirit is the Love from the Father to the Son, and the Son's Love to the Father.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

This again is not something found in words, in scripture. But it is what the Lord shared with me. That the Holy Spirit is the Love from the Father to the Son, and the Son's Love to the Father.

If that's the case, it's good for the Father and the Son being a happy family, but what does that have to do with us? We both know that the Holy Spirit is more than just this bond of love between the Father and the Son, but the connection between God and US through the Son. Since Christ is the head and the church is the body, the Holy Spirit is the nervous system that directly connects the brain with all members of the body. That awareness of the indwelling Holy Spirit is what makes us CO-HEIRS with Christ rather than just fans and bystanders of Him.

 

[Dave M]

bible as a crutch, but the vast majority do.

the vast majority do not use the bible at all,,,,,

but let's look at how Jesus fought the devil off, I believe this example is for all of us to follow, he used the sword of God that being the Holy word of God, the Bible is complete everything we need to know is in the bible if it's not in the bible I would be very concerned where it's coming from for we know the devil and his angels can easily disguise themselves as angels of light and fool people. I trust the word of God before I trust myself, anyone trusting in themselves before the word of God I would caution not to as you may easily be deceived. There are people who die in deceit they die for what they think is right in their hearts and are deceived.

 

[Dave M]

If it hasn't, show me here the person who knows the experiences they have in the Lord, (that can not be found in scripture) . They know thier experience comes from God without a doubt.

Dear brother
do you think God's word is incomplete?

 

[Bill]

the vast majority do not use the bible at all,,,,,

but let's look at how Jesus fought the devil off, I believe this example is for all of us to follow, he used the sword of God that being the Holy word of God, the Bible is complete everything we need to know is in the bible if it's not in the bible I would be very concerned where it's coming from for we know the devil and his angels can easily disguise themselves as angels of light and fool people. I trust the word of God before I trust myself, anyone trusting in themselves before the word of God I would caution not to as you may easily be deceived. There are people who die in deceit they die for what they think is right in their hearts and are deceived.

Do you not listen to Jesus. He said he would send the Holy Spirit. And it is the Gift of the Holy Spirit we use to Discern with.

Have you not learned yet to recognize God's peace in your heart?

Trust in God's peace, my brother. Learn to Trust what the Holy Spirit shows you.

Your first conclusion always comes from God, it is the second that always comes from the devil. It is when doubt sets in and clouds the mind.

 

[Bill]

Dear brother
do you think God's word is incomplete?

Where i said that you and Jonathan were alike, it was a compliment.

You both have the Holy Spirit within you. Learn It ! Trust It! Put your faith into It! I know how hard it is, to step out. I have been there. I still am learning.

 

[Bill]

Dear brother
do you think God's word is incomplete?

It is complete for what we need, for our foundation. But there is much more.

When the child suckles on mothers milk, this is the scripture. The beginning. It has all you need to grow in God.

 

[Bill]

the vast majority do not use the bible at all,,,,,

but let's look at how Jesus fought the devil off, I believe this example is for all of us to follow, he used the sword of God that being the Holy word of God, the Bible is complete everything we need to know is in the bible if it's not in the bible I would be very concerned where it's coming from for we know the devil and his angels can easily disguise themselves as angels of light and fool people. I trust the word of God before I trust myself, anyone trusting in themselves before the word of God I would caution not to as you may easily be deceived. There are people who die in deceit they die for what they think is right in their hearts and are deceived.

Do you know what the Sword of God is? Do you know what the Word of God is? Do you know what Jesus is?

All three, the answer is Love.

A lady, the Lord lead me to, had a demon problem. I set it up with some friends to help me, and they were present, praying, while the Lord used me to cast 13 spirits out.

Some months after, this lady fell back into her old ways, and repossessed. I stopped by to see her in my travels. After meeting her, i knew they were back. And told them " you will leave the way you came in" to which they laughed.

I began praying, and opened myself to God's Love. Then poured God's Love from me into her. They left. And never been back

 

[Bill]

If that's the case, it's good for the Father and the Son being a happy family, but what does that have to do with us? We both know that the Holy Spirit is more than just this bond of love between the Father and the Son, but the connection between God and US through the Son. Since Christ is the head and the church is the body, the Holy Spirit is the nervous system that directly connects the brain with all members of the body. That awareness of the indwelling Holy Spirit is what makes us CO-HEIRS with Christ rather than just fans and bystanders of Him.

The Holy Spirit is a living entity to itself.

When you say "is that it" i dont think you realize the magnitude of that Love. Or what is entailed or mixed into THAT love.

All the depth of the universe is there.

I think you are confusing God's love as being trivial.

To understand God's Love better. Know that it is Gods Love that comes from the mouths of the Two Witnesses.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The Holy Spirit is a living entity to itself.

When you say "is that it" i dont think you realize the magnitude of that Love. Or what is entailed or mixed into THAT love.

All the depth of the universe is there.

I think you are confusing God's love as being trivial.

To understand God's Love better. Know that it is Gods Love that comes from the mouths of the Two Witnesses.

Out of the mouths of the two witnesses is fire falling down from heaven as God’s judgement on evil. That’s not just mere words as some of you interpreted, it’s gonna be real fire. And guess what, the Beast will counterfeit that with his own fire coming down from heaven in Rev. 13.

 

[Bill]

Out of the mouths of the two witnesses is fire falling down from heaven as God’s judgement on evil. That’s not just mere words as some of you interpreted, it’s gonna be real fire. And guess what, the Beast will counterfeit that with his own fire coming down from heaven in Rev. 13.

Have you never read in the Scripture. "Did not our hearts burn within us, as he (Jesus) talked". Or the Fire of God is His Word.

Let me remind you of the words of John the Baptist. "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Have you never read in the Scripture. "Did not our hearts burn within us, as he (Jesus) talked". Or the Fire of God is His Word.

Let me remind you of the words of John the Baptist. "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

“Baptize you with the Holy Spirit” is the rebirth in spirit, “with fire” is God’s divine judgement on unbelievers. “If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and DEVOURS their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be KILLED in this manner.” - Rev. 11:5. It’s gonna be a replay of Elijah’s three and a half years.

You see, This is the biggest problem in Christianity, that what the scripture plainly says is “spiritualized” to fit in men’s tradition or narrative, especially the prophecies.

 

[Bill]

“Baptize you with the Holy Spirit” is the rebirth in spirit, “with fire” is God’s divine judgement on unbelievers. “If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and DEVOURS their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be KILLED in this manner.” - Rev. 11:5. It’s gonna be a replay of Elijah’s three and a half years.

You see, This is the biggest problem in Christianity, that what the scripture plainly says is “spiritualized” to fit in men’s tradition or narrative, especially the prophecies.

That is your interpretation

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

That is your interpretation

Or that is what Rev. 11:5 plainly stated, and you don't like it.

 

[Bill]

Or that is what Rev. 11:5 plainly stated, and you don't like it.

No, what you said and Rev. 11:5 are 2 different things altogether.

Quoting John the Baptist. "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire"

You interpreted this as, "baptize you with the Holy Spirit" = rebirth in spirit. And "with fire" = God's Divine judgement on unbelievers.

Both of those are wrong btw.

The Baptism of Water is not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And the Fire is God's indwelling Word.