A discussion about believing you are born again

[Bill]

for whear your heart is is whear your treasure is

Yes. Excellent

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

And what is God?

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." I John 4:16

Yes the Love of God or the God kind of Love.
Folks can have all sorts of love in their hearts and not know Christ and therefore the Love of God is not in them.

KJV
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

BSB
And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

NLT
We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.

That's God in us. To have God in us we must have Christ in us which means being Born Again.

Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

My friend, all of mankind are Gods children. We are given the free will to do right or wrong in measure.

Being a Christain only sets us apart in the sense that we are chosen to be stuarts to the rest of mankind. To be like Christ is to become the suffering servant while on earth. Our reward should not be sought here, but with God.

I totally disagree with this.
Man is God's creation.
His children are those who obey Him.

To be like Christ is to be a suffering servant?
Suffering as How?
Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

God understands that it takes time to grow in him. It would be foolish of me to think everyone thinks like i do.

May I ask what you are applying here?
Thanks
Blessings to you

 

[Bill]

May I ask what you are applying here?
Thanks
Blessings to you

What we have been talking about. That there is more to Jesus than the physical knowledge of Him.

Think of it this way.

Jesus says, no one can go to the Father but threw me.

How was it possible for Mosses to talk to God as he never had any knowledge of Jesus?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What we have been talking about. That there is more to Jesus than the physical knowledge of Him.

Think of it this way.

Jesus says, no one can go to the Father but threw me.

How was it possible for Mosses to talk to God as he never had any knowledge of Jesus?

Please do not try to combine the old testament with the new.

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Besides this has nothing to do with what I asked you.

You said
God understands that it takes time to grow in him. It would be foolish of me to think everyone thinks like i do.

 

[Bill]

Please do not try to combine the old testament with the new.

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Besides this has nothing to do with what I asked you.

You said
God understands that it takes time to grow in him. It would be foolish of me to think everyone thinks like i do.

In the scripture there is a reading about eating veggies, meat, and everything. So if you eat only meat, and i know it is ok to eat fruits veggies and meat, should i expect you to think like i do. Of course not. But i also will not shove it down your neck. I will talk about it. But there is a time to stop. And we have reached it.

I have a responsibility to not go beyond what your faith will allow.

Faith can be like a bag of bricks. The work in the Lord, there are many facets of that in my life. If the bag you carry can hold 20 bricks before it tares. Would it be right to give you 21 bricks.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I have a responsibility to not go beyond what your faith will allow.

My faith will allow?
No sir, it's more in the tune I don't accept anyone's thinking that violates scripture.

Faith can be like a bag of bricks. The work in the Lord, there are many facets of that in my life. If the bag you carry can hold 20 bricks before it tares. Would it be right to give you 21 bricks.

This makes no sense what so ever.
Blessings to you

 

[Bill]

My faith will allow?
No sir, it's more in the tune I don't accept anyone's thinking that violates scripture.



This makes no sense what so ever.
Blessings to you

What do you know of Angels?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What do you know of Angels?

Why do you ask?

 

[amadeus2]

Yes the Love of God or the God kind of Love.
Folks can have all sorts of love in their hearts and not know Christ and therefore the Love of God is not in them.

KJV
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

BSB
And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

NLT
We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.

That's God in us. To have God in us we must have Christ in us which means being Born Again.

Blessings to you

The problem frequently gets into to what it means to be born again. If it means to be born of God, what happens when we read this?

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:9

So then if we have met Jesus but we are still sinning at all perhaps our birth is incomplete. Perhaps we are still effectively in the womb or stuck in the birth canal.

Could it be that many who say they have been born again are still only in the process?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The problem frequently gets into to what it means to be born again. If it means to be born of God, what happens when we read this?

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:9

So then if we have met Jesus but we are still sinning at all perhaps our birth is incomplete. Perhaps we are still effectively in the womb or stuck in the birth canal.

Could it be that many who say they have been born again are still only in the process?

Greetings Amadeus,
I agree people have gotten tripped up on this.

When we are born again, we are as babies in Christ needing milk of the Word.

As time goes on and we continue to be nourished with the milk of the Word and begin to grow in the Spirit.

Just as in the natural , we can't expect babies to perform in certain levels.
They have not the understanding yet.

It is the same in the Spirit or Spiritual part of our walk. We can not perform in certain levels until we have grown spiritually . The problem is, there are 30 and 50 year old babies. Not new born in Christ but those who should be stout men of God who have refused to Grow spiritually and have remained babies for 30 and 50 years.

God won't hold us beyond our light level in Him. So to answer your question, to some, they do not even realize some things in their lives are sin at their stage of growth. However in time they will gain more light and begin dealing with more and more.

Then there are those who just don't care and claim they are forgiven already so they believe they are all that and sin away not knowing they walk in deception into the darkness.

Then there are some who simply did not grasp things or truly serious about it and just went through the motions and are still as lost as ever.

Here lies a serious problem within the body of Christ. We can not know what's in another's heart or their Light Level in Christ.
Brothers judge them guilty of sin and God may not even be holding it against them because God truly knows the level of light they have where man does not.

Blessings to you
Jim

 

[B-A-C]

Could it be that many who say they have been born again are still only in the process?

1 Cor 1:18; For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
2 Cor 2:15; For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing;
2 Cor 3:18; But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Eph 2:22; in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Col 3:10; and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him—

I agree... many claim to already be "done". But the Bible says it's a process. They think it's already a "done deal".


Php 3:12; Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Jas 1:12; Blessed is a man who perseveres under temptations; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
1 Pet 1:7; so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1 Pet 1:9; obtaining as the outcome of your testing in the faith the salvation of your souls.
Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[Bill]

Why do you ask?

Please do not try to combine the old testament with the new.

Edit Add In...
Besides this has nothing to do with what I asked you.

You said
God understands that it takes time to grow in him. It would be foolish of me to think everyone thinks like i do.

Why do i not combine the old testiment with the new? Did God change?

 

[Bill]

Greetings Amadeus,
I agree people have gotten tripped up on this.

When we are born again, we are as babies in Christ needing milk of the Word.

As time goes on and we continue to be nourished with the milk of the Word and begin to grow in the Spirit.

Just as in the natural , we can't expect babies to perform in certain levels.
They have not the understanding yet.

It is the same in the Spirit or Spiritual part of our walk. We can not perform in certain levels until we have grown spiritually . The problem is, there are 30 and 50 year old babies. Not new born in Christ but those who should be stout men of God who have refused to Grow spiritually and have remained babies for 30 and 50 years.

God won't hold us beyond our light level in Him. So to answer your question, to some, they do not even realize some things in their lives are sin at their stage of growth. However in time they will gain more light and begin dealing with more and more.

Then there are those who just don't care and claim they are forgiven already so they believe they are all that and sin away not knowing they walk in deception into the darkness.

Then there are some who simply did not grasp things or truly serious about it and just went through the motions and are still as lost as ever.

Here lies a serious problem within the body of Christ. We can not know what's in another's heart or their Light Level in Christ.
Brothers judge them guilty of sin and God may not even be holding it against them because God truly knows the level of light they have where man does not.

Blessings to you
Jim

Your level of faith is very good, excellent.

Of the last paragraph, there is something. Only God trully knows your heart and the level your faith trully is.
But God also shares that info with His servants. At times, the Lord has allowed me to see the condition of a persons soul. There is always a perpose involved.

Peace in Christ always, bill

 

[Bill]

Why do you ask?

Faith is the forbearer of knowledge and wisdom. As a baby Christian you have faith. When you have an experience in God that faith grows, maybe even to knowledge as Paul the Evangelist did. That faith becomes unbreakable knowledge.

Yet that knowledge is just the beginning, our God is Eternal.

 

[At Peace]

The problem frequently gets into to what it means to be born again. If it means to be born of God, what happens when we read this?

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:9

When the reborn read this they are assured they can live without sin.
Isn't that the point of repentance...to turn from sin?

So then if we have met Jesus but we are still sinning at all perhaps our birth is incomplete. Perhaps we are still effectively in the womb or stuck in the birth canal.
Could it be that many who say they have been born again are still only in the process?

No, just that you are still a child of the devil.
Repentance from sin is still available to them though...thanks be to God.

 

[At Peace]

1 Cor 1:18; For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
2 Cor 2:15; For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing;
2 Cor 3:18; But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Eph 2:22; in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Col 3:10; and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him—

I agree... many claim to already be "done". But the Bible says it's a process. They think it's already a "done deal".

The KJV of the bible does NOT have the "ing" portion that your version of the bible has.
So if we look at 1 John 3:8,9,and 10, we can tell that the sinner has not even started to grow in Christ.
Something has restrained his total submission to God.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Why do i not combine the old testiment with the new? Did God change?

Actually this evades the question.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@Bill
You asked me as an answer , what do I know about angels.

I said why do you ask.
That statement or question is N.A to any other question or reply.
So again why do you ask?

Also when I said please don't combine the old and new testament ,

This again was only directed to ONE statement or reply from you.

You asked how did Moses hear from God without knowing Jesus.
That was an answer you gave which really did not even fit into the conversation quoted.

Please try to keep quotes and replies in their proper area. Other wise it makes it look as if people are saying things they are not in many different areas.

Thanks !!
Blessings to you