A reflection upon Ephesians 1:1-6

[Samson2020]

If those that came prior to the giving of the HG were shut up under the law for the reality of what God was gonna do after Jesus what choice did they have but to be as faithful as possible but still not attain what was not available yet?
Much less they didn’t even know it was coming.
Is God just and righteous? Yes. And by His design salvation will be gifted to all men.
According to 1 Ti 4:9-11
Paul commands Timothy to teach that God is the savior of all men.
Why would Paul tell him this if it wasn’t going to be the eventual outcome for all men.
And it agrees with what he said in 1 Ti 2:4 that God will have all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The cross of Christ paid for that eventual outcome. Rom 5:18 Col 1:20 and many other verses.
Where is your problem with God including all in the salvation that He has provided for them/us according to His grace?

It usually arises that the objection is a self righteous issue.
I did what they didn’t as if it were not a gift.
I await your answer

 

[Charlie24]

Did you even read the post?
It’s ending is in 100% support of an ALL inclusive salvation of all mankind.
The choices of God are His period. He brought Adam in first then later Moses then JTB then Jesus then us. What choice in His order did we have? None.
But like I said He will have ALL men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth and that will happen according to His election schedule not mans.
That is the good news of the gospel.

As I have said before, God doesn't always have His way with mankind. Did God have a desire for man to commit murder, no He didn't, but man chose to to do such things against His will.

The same is true with salvation, God has a desire for all to be saved, but we see from Scripture that God does not get His desire for all men to be saved.

As far as the Ur, it's a well meant dream, but not fact. Nowhere in Scripture will you find where anyone gets out of Hell/the Lake of Fire. It just isn't there. What is there is that all whose name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life are cast into the Lake of fire, and nowhere will you find where they get out.

 

[Samson2020]

As I have said before, God doesn't always have His way with mankind. Did God have a desire for man to commit murder, no He didn't, but man chose to to do such things against His will.

The same is true with salvation, God has a desire for all to be saved, but we see from Scripture that God does not get His desire for all men to be saved.

As far as the Ur, it's a well meant dream, but not fact. Nowhere in Scripture will you find where anyone gets out of Hell/the Lake of Fire. It just isn't there. What is there is that all whose name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life are cast into the Lake of fire, and nowhere will you find where they get out.

Gods will is overridden by man’s will???
That’s a laugher.
What man ever made it out of here alive. Name one that wasn’t translated by God and maybe I would
Listen to you but you can’t so Gods will stands. He has never abdicated His throne for man’s will and never will for He knows His thoughts for man are greater than man can even imagine.

 

[Charlie24]

Gods will is overridden by man’s will???
That’s a laugher.
What man ever made it out of here alive. Name one that wasn’t translated by God and maybe I would
Listen to you but you can’t so Gods will stands. He has never abdicated His throne for man’s will and never will for He knows His thoughts for man are greater than man can even imagine.

If you think God saves everyone in the end, you had better stop laughing and find some Scripture that shows us they get out!

 

[Samson2020]

If you think God saves everyone in the end, you had better stop laughing and find some Scripture that shows us they get out!

I been saying it and showing it for over 20 yrs but most can't understand it. As it is God who will or won't allow you to come to the acknowledging of the truth.

Given your admittance of no Baptism in the HG, for now, it remains veiled to your eyes.

I would ask of you one thing and that is: What does free mean to you? As far as Jesus saying ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

 

[Charlie24]

I been saying it and showing it for over 20 yrs but most can't understand it. As it is God who will or won't allow you to come to the acknowledging of the truth.

Given your admittance of no Baptism in the HG, for now, it remains veiled to your eyes.

I would ask of you one thing and that is: What does free mean to you? As far as Jesus saying ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

God has given us everything we need to know in this life. He has not told us that He will forgive and set free the captives of punishment in hell, it's not there, Sam.

Now you can tell us you know something we don't, but if it's not found in Scripture you are not being honest and we can't take you serious.

To teach something as truth that's not found in Scripture is called heresy. Do you think that maybe God disproves of that?

 

[Samson2020]

God has given us everything we need to know in this life. He has not told us that He will forgive and set free the captives of punishment in hell, it's not there, Sam.

Now you can tell us you know something we don't, but if it's not found in Scripture you are not being honest and we can't take you serious.

To teach something as truth that's not found in Scripture is called heresy. Do you think that maybe God disproves of that?

Well the number one thing I will tell you is that your acceptance of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your salvation. It is according to Gods election period.

No man can come to me unless the Father draw Him. I said no man can come to me except it were given him of My Father. John 6:44 John 6:65
That said, what you have in this world today are a multitude of people that think they're Christians but never have had the HG given to them thus never
born of the spirit, and never given the power to become a son of God. Deceived. And Jesus will tell them at the general resurrection that I never knew you.
They believe they are due to the fact they asked the Lord to come into their heart so by head faith they received Him. God don't work that way.
It is strictly according to His election period.
And if you can't handle that Oh well you won't be able to handle anything else I say. So whats the point.

Most are nothing more than a disciple of the institution they attend and not His to begin with for it is indeed a remnant at this time. And I said most because
we know He tells some to come out of her My people.