Are you scared of God?

[K9Buckeye]

Well we all are going to find out, At The Bema Seat of Christ or The Great White Throne Judgment.

I thought that Christians would not go through that process due to their faith in Jesus.

 

[PloughBoy]

I thought that Christians would not go through that process due to their faith in Jesus.

Now according to the Bible as it is Written; There is no "Condemnation" to those who are in Christ Jesus. But the word "condemnation" and the word "Judgment" are not the same. These are two different words and have two different meanings. referring to the Biblical Text OK.

New American Standard Bible(Romans 8)ASV
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

a lot of Ministers and Proclaimers of The GOSPEL will not mention this:
Acts 10:42
And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead.

New King James Version
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

For this is Touchy subject, and many do not touch this TRUTH with a 10 foot pole. For Fear of mankind. fear of wage, fear of reputation, and fear of "The ADVERSARY" A good and excellent knowledge of "BIBLICAL HISTORY" will reveal this "TRUTH". It is available now but fading away in public knowledge and slowly dis appearing. about those who are proclaimers of The Gospel.
For so it has been "Prophesy" from The Prophets of OLD.

So I will repeat: The word "condemnation" and "Judgment" are two completely different words in the "Biblical Text".
So again whether we know it or not, we all will appear before The Judgment Seat of Christ, So let us judge things once we get there, and cast off all "Imaginations" on how it is going to be.

 

[th1bill]

I thought that Christians would not go through that process due to their faith in Jesus.

K9Buckeye, as I understand the Scriptures, after better than 31 years of study, your right. Real Christians, people working to live for Yashua ha'Mashiach that are repenting when they sin will not stand the Great White Throne Judgment. Right living folks will stand the Bema Seat Judgment where they receive their crowns.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I fear God because I am a struggling Christian and am unworthy. I hope that Jesus will accept my apologies for my many and continuing failings and forgive and accept me.

If you've given your life to Jesus you are NOT unworthy...You have been made worthy. You are the righteousness of God in His anointing
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. How can you possibly be the righteousness of God, in His anointing, and be unworthy?

 

[Bill]

I fear God because I am a struggling Christian and am unworthy. I hope that Jesus will accept my apologies for my many and continuing failings and forgive and accept me.

It is because of your humility that your soul is white as snow , strive to keep it that way

 

[Bill]

I thought that Christians would not go through that process due to their faith in Jesus.

Everyone will be judged in the end . If you live your life full of love , then there is nothing to worry about .

Just because a person says they are Christian , maybe that person was baptised with water , and later someone layed hands on him , to recieve the Holy Spirit . Just because a person goes through all this , does not mean they will recieve eternal life.

It is where your heart is . When you love, God is there. When you do things from your heart, God is there.

God so loved . And it is only love that God wants in return.

Hear O Isreal,
Love God with all your heart

Love your neighbor as yourself

 

[Bill]

K9Buckeye, as I understand the Scriptures, after better than 31 years of study, your right. Real Christians, people working to live for Yashua ha'Mashiach that are repenting when they sin will not stand the Great White Throne Judgment. Right living folks will stand the Bema Seat Judgment where they receive their crowns.

You should not look to heaven for only the crowns. Because making the desire to have a crown greater than your desire to be with God . Is breaking the 1st Commandment

 

[Bill]

Now according to the Bible as it is Written; There is no "Condemnation" to those who are in Christ Jesus. But the word "condemnation" and the word "Judgment" are not the same. These are two different words and have two different meanings. referring to the Biblical Text OK.

New American Standard Bible(Romans 8)ASV
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

a lot of Ministers and Proclaimers of The GOSPEL will not mention this:
Acts 10:42
And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead.

New King James Version
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

For this is Touchy subject, and many do not touch this TRUTH with a 10 foot pole. For Fear of mankind. fear of wage, fear of reputation, and fear of "The ADVERSARY" A good and excellent knowledge of "BIBLICAL HISTORY" will reveal this "TRUTH". It is available now but fading away in public knowledge and slowly dis appearing. about those who are proclaimers of The Gospel.
For so it has been "Prophesy" from The Prophets of OLD.

So I will repeat: The word "condemnation" and "Judgment" are two completely different words in the "Biblical Text".
So again whether we know it or not, we all will appear before The Judgment Seat of Christ, So let us judge things once we get there, and cast off all "Imaginations" on how it is going to be.

I have a little challenge for you .

We know God detests acts of Homosexualality .

Jesus in speaking says the people of this day and age will be judged more harshly than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are there layers of Hell ? And at least to my mind , any separation from God , is already Hell. So even if there were layers , ( i dont believe there are ) any part of Hell would be just as bad as the first . Being Separated from God

The Act of Sodom and Gomorrah where so heinous that God destroyed them.

My question is , can you solve the riddle of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the people of this day as Jesus said

 

[PloughBoy]

I have a little challenge for you .

We know God detests acts of Homosexualality .

Jesus in speaking says the people of this day and age will be judged more harshly than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are there layers of Hell ? And at least to my mind , any separation from God , is already Hell. So even if there were layers , ( i dont believe there are ) any part of Hell would be just as bad as the first . Being Separated from God

The Act of Sodom and Gomorrah where so heinous that God destroyed them.

My question is , can you solve the riddle of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the people of this day as Jesus said

No sorry, i cannot solve your riddle:
"My question is , can you solve the riddle of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the people of this day as Jesus said"

 

[Rhema]

I was browsing a forum I'm not yet a member of and found a very interesting discussion going on. I thought it would be a good topic to bring here.

Are you scared of God? Do you worship, believe, because you're afraid to go to Hell if you don't? ​

My answer is no to both questions.

I would have to say no to both questions as well.

Some more advice from Jesus
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. [geenna]

And yet we read this:

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the GOODNESS of God leadeth thee to repentance?​

(Romans 2:4 ASV)​

Why didn't Paul write "fear"?

One of the arguments Martin Luther put forth to promote the Reformation's refutation of works as having merit towards salvation was that such works are meant for one's salvation, and as such are selfish. He then argued that selfish things cannot have merit toward salvation whatsoever, and that would include good works. Moving this argument forward, one can see that "worshiping and believing" out of fear of going to hell is also selfish and so it too can have no merit whatsoever toward salvation.

Just something to consider,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

No sorry, i cannot solve your riddle:
"My question is , can you solve the riddle of Sodom and Gomorrah. And the people of this day as Jesus said"

Indeed , i can .

The only hope those in Sodom and Gomorrah will have is they will get to see and hear the Word spoken to them at the last Judgement . It will be in this moment God's Grace will be revealed .

However , the people of this day Have had the opportunity to see and hear the Word . And it is because of this , they will be judged more harshly

 

[Bill]

I would have to say no to both questions as well.


And yet we read this:

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the GOODNESS of God leadeth thee to repentance?​

(Romans 2:4 ASV)​

Why didn't Paul write "fear"?

One of the arguments Martin Luther put forth to promote the Reformation's refutation of works as having merit towards salvation was that such works are meant for one's salvation, and as such are selfish. He then argued that selfish things cannot have merit toward salvation whatsoever, and that would include good works. Moving this argument forward, one can see that "worshiping and believing" out of fear of going to hell is also selfish and so it too can have no merit whatsoever toward salvation.

Just something to consider,
Rhema

There is a problem that continues to this day . It is simply , what does the term " Works " mean .

Certainly the Catholic church started getting greedy some time before Fr. Martin Luther came along. The idea you can buy your way into heaven. But Fr. Martin Luther , did not help the whole concept of " Works " either, by promoting it as a human trait.

" Works " has nothing to do with humans , but it does have everything to do with Jesus working through us.

Every time the Spirit moves in a person. Every time a person exhibits compassion , care , consideration . In other words, Love. Every time love is given to another , it is Christ in us . That IS what the " Works " are.

 

[Rhema]

There is a problem that continues to this day . It is simply , what does the term " Works " mean .

But that's not a problem. To Martin Luther it meant good deeds. Literally doing good.
Within the Jewish god's purview it meant fulfilling the ritual actions as described in what they understood to be the Law of Moses.

The idea you can buy your way into heaven.

If good deeds actually are a component for salvation, then obviously the good that can be done with one's money should also count. To Dr. Luther it wasn't an issue of greed, but an issue of accuracy. The 95 thesis were a call for debate and discussion, not a manifesto comprised of conclusions.

Every time love is given to another , it is Christ in us . That IS what the " Works " are.

And from where was this definition derived?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

But that's not a problem. To Martin Luther it meant good deeds. Literally doing good.
Within the Jewish god's purview it meant fulfilling the ritual actions as described in what they understood to be the Law of Moses.


If good deeds actually are a component for salvation, then obviously the good that can be done with one's money should also count. To Dr. Luther it wasn't an issue of greed, but an issue of accuracy. The 95 thesis were a call for debate and discussion, not a manifesto comprised of conclusions.


And from where was this definition derived?

Thanks,
Rhema

The definition was derived by the fullness of scripture .

Paul talks at Great length on the circumcision of the heart and everything that it pertains to

 

[Rhema]

The definition was derived by the fullness of scripture .

Paul talks at Great length on the circumcision of the heart and everything that it pertains to

That's hardly an answer, Bill.

Rhema

 

[Bill]

That's hardly an answer, Bill.

Rhema

Let me try it this way, can you have love without action ? The answer would be no because love itself is an action.

Now to be Christian is 2 love and that means to be Christian we must have action.

Now you can claim to be Christians but if you have no action you are not Christian because there would be no love in you

If a person has Jesus in them they are Christian, because Jesus lives in them. And the fruit or the proof of that is interactions or in the works that Jesus does through them.

Now if you wish to understand where I found this at scripture it's all over the place Jesus speaks of it quite plainly love God with all your heart love God with all your mind love God with all your spirit and love God with all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself if you cannot do these things you'll never be Christians

And what is love ? Love is God and love cannot be contained as God cannot be contained and love is an action which is the work of God

 

[th1bill]

You should not look to heaven for only the crowns. Because making the desire to have a crown greater than your desire to be with God . Is breaking the 1st Commandment

But Bill, you have gone down a river I did not fathom. You are implying that which I have never even thought in private.

 

[Bill]

But Bill, you have gone down a river I did not fathom. You are implying that which I have never even thought in private.

When it comes to our relationship with God , the most important thing is to fall in love with our Creator.

When we fan our faith into a blazing fire , it must have love at its core. Because without love your faith is meaningless.

All those treasures in heaven , the crown of glory , the titles . Let them happen when God give them to you in Heaven. Dont worry about them, your only focus , alway God always Jesus .

 

[Rhema]

Let me try it this way, can you have love without action ? The answer would be no because love itself is an action.

Now to be Christian is 2 love and that means to be Christian we must have action.

And those actions would be called "good works" (right?) but not "works of the law".

And the fruit or the proof of that is interactions or in the works that Jesus does through them.

I greatly appreciate your clarification. Thank you.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

And those actions would be called "good works" (right?) but not "works of the law".


I greatly appreciate your clarification. Thank you.

Kindly,
Rhema

The confusion that comes from the word , " works " is how we understand the meaning .

It is much the same as how we perseve what we think the word Jew represents , and how Paul explains it in scripture.

When we read Jew , we think God's people , but what we are actually thinking are the People of Israel .

When Paul talks about what a true Jew is , it has nothing to do with outward apperance . Paul states that a true Jew is one who is inwardly a Jew , whose heart is circumcised.

So when we look at the word " works " it is the same . It isnt i who does the Work , but Christ who works through me .

When you pray over a child , to be healed . And the child is healed . Who is doing the healing ? Is it you ? Or is it Jesus working through you ?

I hope this helps