Are you scared of God?

[th1bill]

When it comes to our relationship with God , the most important thing is to fall in love with our Creator.

When we fan our faith into a blazing fire , it must have love at its core. Because without love your faith is meaningless.

All those treasures in heaven , the crown of glory , the titles . Let them happen when God give them to you in Heaven. Dont worry about them, your only focus , alway God always Jesus .

Bill, now your a Mich. Yankee sounding empty waters. The fight you're trolling for is not here. Your posts here have zero relevance to anything that is important here. for the past 31 1/2 years, all I have done has been in the service of my Heavenly Father. Now please, sound the water under you and not the water a mile downriver.,

 

[Bill]

Bill, now your a Mich. Yankee sounding empty waters. The fight you're trolling for is not here. Your posts here have zero relevance to anything that is important here. for the past 31 1/2 years, all I have done has been in the service of my Heavenly Father. Now please, sound the water under you and not the water a mile downriver.,

Are you saying then that Jesus own words are meaningless ?

It was Jesus who states for us to Love God with all your heart .

And it was Paul who stated that faith without love was like a gong clanging in the wind.

 

[th1bill]

Are you saying then that Jesus own words are meaningless ?

It was Jesus who states for us to Love God with all your heart .

And it was Paul who stated that faith without love was like a gong clanging in the wind.

You are still trolling and, BTW, I'm not going to be baited in an IM either. You need to find someone else that is angry to fight with.

 

[Bill]

Bill, now your a Mich. Yankee sounding empty waters. The fight you're trolling for is not here. Your posts here have zero relevance to anything that is important here. for the past 31 1/2 years, all I have done has been in the service of my Heavenly Father. Now please, sound the water under you and not the water a mile downriver.,

In your 33 1/2 years what have you learned ? To insult , belittle , and show distain to a brother in Christ ?

Are you certain i am only from Michigan ? Maybe i moved here from Texas , what then ? And what does any of that have to do with being Christian ?

 

[Rhema]

To insult , belittle , and show distain to a brother in Christ ?

If I may ??

Language is tricky. I blame it on the game show Jeopardy, to where people can no longer actually ask meaningful questions. Statements and accusations become phrased in the form of a question, Bill, and are typically read as such.

As an example, this question from you has a bit of disdain itself, no?

Are you saying then that Jesus own words are meaningless ?

Come now. How would you take such a question were it to have been asked of you? Doesn't it imply that the person does believe that Jesus' own words are meaningless? And is such a question fair to @th1bill?

To a fellow member here, one whom you know is of the brethren, your own words may be seen as belittling.

If I may, I would ask that you both give the other the benefit of the doubt at the moment, take a deep breath, and we can have hugs all around. (Yep, I'm a hugger, all 6'2" and 300lbs.)

NOT that I'm any better.
@Br. Bear has been helping me work on how I say things to other people, and I'm hoping we can be more diligent in respect for one another in all our words.

Jesus is Lord,
Rhema

Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.​

(1 Peter 3:8-9 KJV)​

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and, before all things, to one another having the earnest love, because the love shall cover a multitude of sins;​

(1 Peter 4:8 YLT)​

 

[th1bill]

K9Buckeye, as I understand the Scriptures, after better than 31 years of study, your right. Real Christians, people working to live for Yashua ha'Mashiach that are repenting when they sin will not stand the Great White Throne Judgment. Right living folks will stand the Bema Seat Judgment where they receive their crowns.

This appears to be what riled some folks to go for insults and is, I believe, worthy of examination. I was asked what I had learned in 31 years of study. This is a very good question. I have learned that the God of both testaments is our model for love. Because there is a Stern Father represented in the Books of the Old Testament that every one of us should know. Sadly, today, that is not true. Too many of us, today, are raised by coddle the little creep until he is in the prison system. Combined with my studies is the time spent doing Prison Ministry with the Glory Bound Express. In that mission I learned that many of the Inmate Population realized their parents did not love them because those parents never set limits and restrictions on them.

Love means hugging people when that is needed but love also means exterminating Bad Actors when it is called for. Example: I loved the Farmers and their children in South Vietnam but I had zero issue with exterminating the V.C. even though they were also from South Vietnam.

Lesson: Always, with love, mark out Evil for elimination. If we raise our young up to never know restrictive love we work to create an Evil Society.

 

[Bill]

This appears to be what riled some folks to go for insults and is, I believe, worthy of examination. I was asked what I had learned in 31 years of study. This is a very good question. I have learned that the God of both testaments is our model for love. Because there is a Stern Father represented in the Books of the Old Testament that every one of us should know. Sadly, today, that is not true. Too many of us, today, are raised by coddle the little creep until he is in the prison system. Combined with my studies is the time spent doing Prison Ministry with the Glory Bound Express. In that mission I learned that many of the Inmate Population realized their parents did not love them because those parents never set limits and restrictions on them.

Love means hugging people when that is needed but love also means exterminating Bad Actors when it is called for. Example: I loved the Farmers and their children in South Vietnam but I had zero issue with exterminating the V.C. even though they were also from South Vietnam.

Lesson: Always, with love, mark out Evil for elimination. If we raise our young up to never know restrictive love we work to create an Evil Society.

War is war . Many atrocities are commited because the mindset of some in the fight feel they have a right to commit them .

However , no one has the authority to judge a race of people to die just because they think differently than you .

By doing this type of judgement, you become the evil , the very evil you would claim to extinguish by removing them from the planet.

Case in point , the Nazi's of Germany, and thier genocide of the Jewish people.

The love you claim to have is only limited to those who agree with you

 

[Bill]

If I may ??

Language is tricky. I blame it on the game show Jeopardy, to where people can no longer actually ask meaningful questions. Statements and accusations become phrased in the form of a question, Bill, and are typically read as such.

As an example, this question from you has a bit of disdain itself, no?

Come now. How would you take such a question were it to have been asked of you? Doesn't it imply that the person does believe that Jesus' own words are meaningless? And is such a question fair to @th1bill?

To a fellow member here, one whom you know is of the brethren, your own words may be seen as belittling.

If I may, I would ask that you both give the other the benefit of the doubt at the moment, take a deep breath, and we can have hugs all around. (Yep, I'm a hugger, all 6'2" and 300lbs.)

NOT that I'm any better.
@Br. Bear has been helping me work on how I say things to other people, and I'm hoping we can be more diligent in respect for one another in all our words.

Jesus is Lord,
Rhema

Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.​

(1 Peter 3:8-9 KJV)​

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and, before all things, to one another having the earnest love, because the love shall cover a multitude of sins;​

(1 Peter 4:8 YLT)​

I would certainly answer it differently than was given to me.

You read th1bill's post # 41 , and think of it directed to you. Let us see how you would answer . Or even if it did desearve an answer.

Then go to the continuation in his post # 43 .

Show me the Christian love in either , please i am all ears .

Shall i continue .

The hypocrisy.

Post # 46

 

[Rhema]

You read th1bill's post # 41 , and think of it directed to you. Let us see how you would answer .

I think we should go back to post 27, Bill:

You should not look to heaven for only the crowns.

Sounds like you're scolding him - saying that he is only looking to heaven for the crowns. That's why I said language is tricky. Were you scolding him? Was that the intent? To accuse him of breaking a commandment?

His answer was this:

But Bill, you have gone down a river I did not fathom. You are implying that which I have never even thought in private.

Can you take that at face value? It seems not, since you double downed and to @th1bill it looked like you were itching for a fight. (That's pretty much how I see it, fwiw.)

I had hoped to cool off some heated language amongst brethren.
I guess I failed.

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

I would certainly answer it differently than was given to me.

You read th1bill's post # 41 , and think of it directed to you. Let us see how you would answer . Or even if it did desearve an answer.

Then go to the continuation in his post # 43 .

Show me the Christian love in either , please i am all ears .

Shall i continue .

The hypocrisy.

Post # 46

All too often, todays "brotherly and sisterly love" comes down to I will be nice only if you agree with me, and if you dont agree, I will tell you how ignorant you are, and if you rebuke me, I will rebuke you 10x more. Its nothing like Jesus's love and what He promoted us doing. I agree with your statements about love being what we should shoot for. Even rebuke when it comes from our mouths should be from love, not from an ill response from another.

 

[Bill]

I think we should go back to post 27, Bill:

Sounds like you're scolding him - saying that he is only looking to heaven for the crowns. That's why I said language is tricky. Were you scolding him? Was that the intent? To accuse him of breaking a commandment?

His answer was this:
Can you take that at face value? It seems not, since you double downed and to @th1bill it looked like you were itching for a fight. (That's pretty much how I see it, fwiw.)

I had hoped to cool off some heated language amongst brethren.
I guess I failed.

Rhema

You have not failed Rhema . And if th1bill is reading this i do apologize if he took my # 27 post the wrong way . In my # 27 post i was only making a statement . And when responding the second time , expanding on the origional thoughts .

Love most be at the center of our faith. Or in other words Jesus must be at the center of our faith . ( Jesus and the Father are One , ..... God is Love )

 

[Bill]

All too often, todays "brotherly and sisterly love" comes down to I will be nice only if you agree with me, and if you dont agree, I will tell you how ignorant you are, and if you rebuke me, I will rebuke you 10x more. Its nothing like Jesus's love and what He promoted us doing. I agree with your statements about love being what we should shoot for. Even rebuke when it comes from our mouths should be from love, not from an ill response from another.

Thank you , i hear the Lords words in it

 

[th1bill]

I think we should go back to post 27, Bill:

Sounds like you're scolding him - saying that he is only looking to heaven for the crowns. That's why I said language is tricky. Were you scolding him? Was that the intent? To accuse him of breaking a commandment?

His answer was this:
Can you take that at face value? It seems not, since you double downed and to @th1bill it looked like you were itching for a fight. (That's pretty much how I see it, fwiw.)

I had hoped to cool off some heated language amongst brethren.
I guess I failed.

Rhema

I would hope not.

 

[th1bill]

There is a never changing law that must and does rule the People called by the Name of God, the fulfilled Jewish Believer and the Christian. The trouble is so any short term their understanding of Biblical Love. I believe I'll use King David as my example here because he is the most graphically dealt with in all of Scripture. YHWH loved and always has loved King David but that did not stop my LORD from taking the life of his first male child with his favored wife.

Cruel? You might think so but I call it Extreme Holy Justice. David repented and with Divine Foreknowledge YHWH blessed the King and watched, broken harted, I figure, as he made a Satanic Mud Pie of his family and it's relations. As Absalom, the King's own son stole his Rule and cavorted with his father's concubines on the roof for everyone to see.

When YHWH hung the power mad son from the Oak Limb by the Hair on his head to be slaughtered, I still find no hate for Absalom. YHWH is also Yashuah ha´Mashiah and Ruach ha'Qudesh, they are one, they are Love but they are also The One that can be called Just. We, The Children must never expect YHWH to meet out Love without Justice and being His Children, if we are, neither must we.

The number one False Complaint I have lodged against me is hate when I explain to Lost Appearing People they are on their way to an Eternity in The Lake of Fire if they fail to Repent and to take the LORD for their own. What is their Teacher teaching from?

 

[Rhema]

Cruel? You might think so but I call it Extreme Holy Justice.

Well then stay away from my kids.

 

[Rhema]

The number one False Complaint I have lodged against me is hate when I explain to Lost Appearing People they are on their way to an Eternity in The Lake of Fire if they fail to Repent and to take the LORD for their own. What is their Teacher teaching from?

Hi bill,

I did a quick search on the phrase "Lost Appearing People" and hadn't found anything of substance. It would be great if you could explain this in more detail.

Also, it appears as if you hail from the "fire and brimstone" method of evangelizing, or might I be mistaken? I see such a message delivered by Jesus to the religious leaders of his day, but not much to the multitudes upon which he had compassion. My background is a bit more "Hi you're in a mess and we're here to help." And from a Christian perspective writ large, I never understood why one would ask the sinner to accept salvation. I think that's the wrong person to ask. Rather, we ask the Father to save them.

But... no hate from me, brother,
Rhema

 

[th1bill]

Hi bill,

I did a quick search on the phrase "Lost Appearing People" and hadn't found anything of substance. It would be great if you could explain this in more detail.

Also, it appears as if you hail from the "fire and brimstone" method of evangelizing, or might I be mistaken? I see such a message delivered by Jesus to the religious leaders of his day, but not much to the multitudes upon which he had compassion. My background is a bit more "Hi you're in a mess and we're here to help." And from a Christian perspective writ large, I never understood why one would ask the sinner to accept salvation. I think that's the wrong person to ask. Rather, we ask the Father to save them.

But... no hate from me, brother,
Rhema

Howdy Rhema. First, I had nothing to do with David's son, I am only one agent of YHWH and, nothing more. If by Fire and Brimstone you mean all of the Word of the Creator, Yahshua, ha'Mashiah, then yes, I believe in using all of the Word and letting Him do the Work of Evangelism. And the first duty of any loving person is, to tell the truth. When folks divide the Word of Yahshua into separate Covenants they make a sore mistake. When YHWH Created Adam, He made a Contract, a Covenant, with him and Adam broke that contract with our Maker. When Adam was cast out of the Garden the LORD did not cancel the Broken Contract, no but, He did renew it. The Contract, throughout Scripture, has been modified and renewed but never canceled. The misnamed New Testament is better known as the Renewed Testament by many Jewish Christians and a handful of Christians.

People believe Yahshua did away with the Ten Commandments but, may such unrighteousness never be! Let's understand the basis of the theology I subscribe to: John 1:3, there is nothing in nor on this planet, universe nor galaxy He, Yashuah, ha'Mashiah, did not create. In John14:15, Yahshua told us that if we love Him, we will keep His Commands. All the God-given Commands in the Holy Bible are the Commands of the God-Man people insult, I feel, when they use the Greek Translation instead of His Real Name. Fire and Brimstone? Yes, if it is in the Holy Writ spoken to us and recorded... I believe for our Father God. YHWH, His Son, Yashua and, Ruach ha'Qudesh, our Holy Spirit never lie.

Lost Appearing People, very simply are folks, in the Pews or in the Juke Joints that do not try to live for The Creator.

 

[Rhema]

When folks divide the Word of Yahshua into separate Covenants they make a sore mistake.

But are there not separate Covenants? And if not, then why?

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:​

(Hebrews 8:8 KJV)​

The contrast between new and old, and a first and second is readily apparent in this epistle:

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.​

(Hebrews 8:13 KJV)​

(Which of course is a reference to the following prophecy)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:​

(Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV)​

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; for they abode not in my covenant, and I disregarded them, saith the Lord.​

(Jeremiah 38:31-32 Brenton - LXX)​

While I readily admit that Hebrew hurts my head (the necessary mindset to read Hebrew will twist a bit); I am able to say that I am rather conversant with Greek, (hence the LXX reference) and the operative text in BOTH passages is διαθήκην (COVENANT-G1242) καινήν (NEW-G2537)

And I provide a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for καινήν (new-G2537) - A. 2. newly-made

I find nothing within the Greek corpus to suggest anything remotely related to your concept of "renewed" or "altered". To express such a concept, the verb καινίζω would be used, not the adjective καινήν.

Example 1:

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Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew (ἐγ-καινίζω-G1457) a right spirit in my inward parts.​

(Psalms 51:10 Brenton)​

​

Thou shalt send forth thy Spirit, and they shall be created; and thou shalt renew (ἀνα-καινίζω-G340) the face of the earth.​

(Psalms 104:30 Brenton)​

And Samuel spoke to the people, saying, Let us go to Galgala, and there renew (ἐγ-καινίζω-G1457) the kingdom.​

(1 Samuel 11:14 Brenton)​

If the passage in Jeremiah meant that the covenant was renewed or altered, the text would have used the verb "renew" καινίζω (LINK to Liddell Scott). But it doesn't. Within the LXX the operative phrase is διαθησομαι (COMPOSE- LINK) ... διαθηκην (COVENANT) καινην (NEW). A new covenant is composed, an old one is not altered.

I'm sorry Bill, there is just no linguistic support to teach that scripture says "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will renew / alter my covenant ...". The adjective NEW is used in order to emphasize that the covenant is a different one altogether.

Rhema

PS: But I would be interested in how you came up with that idea.

 

[Rhema]

When folks divide the Word of Yahshua into separate Covenants they make a sore mistake.

I have been thinking a bit more about your view. Did Paul make a mistake when speaking of covenants plural ?

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;​

(Romans 9:4 KJV)​

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Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.​

(Galatians 4:24 KJV)​

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That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:​

(Ephesians 2:12 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[th1bill]

But are there not separate Covenants? And if not, then why?

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:​

(Hebrews 8:8 KJV)​

The contrast between new and old, and a first and second is readily apparent in this epistle:

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.​

(Hebrews 8:13 KJV)​

(Which of course is a reference to the following prophecy)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:​

(Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV)​

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; for they abode not in my covenant, and I disregarded them, saith the Lord.​

(Jeremiah 38:31-32 Brenton - LXX)​

While I readily admit that Hebrew hurts my head (the necessary mindset to read Hebrew will twist a bit); I am able to say that I am rather conversant with Greek, (hence the LXX reference) and the operative text in BOTH passages is διαθήκην (COVENANT-G1242) καινήν (NEW-G2537)

And I provide a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for καινήν (new-G2537) - A. 2. newly-made

I find nothing within the Greek corpus to suggest anything remotely related to your concept of "renewed" or "altered". To express such a concept, the verb καινίζω would be used, not the adjective καινήν.

Example 1:

​

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew (ἐγ-καινίζω-G1457) a right spirit in my inward parts.​

(Psalms 51:10 Brenton)​

​

Thou shalt send forth thy Spirit, and they shall be created; and thou shalt renew (ἀνα-καινίζω-G340) the face of the earth.​

(Psalms 104:30 Brenton)​

And Samuel spoke to the people, saying, Let us go to Galgala, and there renew (ἐγ-καινίζω-G1457) the kingdom.​

(1 Samuel 11:14 Brenton)​

If the passage in Jeremiah meant that the covenant was renewed or altered, the text would have used the verb "renew" καινίζω (LINK to Liddell Scott). But it doesn't. Within the LXX the operative phrase is διαθησομαι (COMPOSE- LINK) ... διαθηκην (COVENANT) καινην (NEW). A new covenant is composed, an old one is not altered.

I'm sorry Bill, there is just no linguistic support to teach that scripture says "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will renew / alter my covenant ...". The adjective NEW is used in order to emphasize that the covenant is a different one altogether.

Rhema

PS: But I would be interested in how you came up with that idea.

I have a GED, not even a day of regular college or seminary. The Poor Man's adage, "It's all Greek to me," applies here. The small amounts of other languages were picked up by living for a time in areas where they are spoken, by and large, due to my eight years of Military Service. The only Ancient Texts I am at all interested in are the Original Paleo Hebrew, the true language of the original Hebrew Scriptures.

You seem to seek the why of this matter. Yahshua did not cast away The Original Law, The Ten Commands found on both sets of stone tablets.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The misnamed Old Testament has not passed away, it has been added to causing, as per some Messianic Christian Rabbis, the Covenant Renewal. The Covenant spoken of in The Book of Hebrews is not for the Christian except, possibly, the Messianic Christian but the title of the transcript says it all.

But the crux f the matter is the world is filled with False Teachers that do not even know their teaching is filled with error because they do not hold the Teacher's Feet to the fire. There are, maybe, one in a hundred members of any Assembly that bothers to take notes and then, as they rest, go through the scriptures and compare them with the notes to see if they have been told the truth or was it a set of "Correct Sounding BS."

• Psalm 11:6
  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
  
  
• Ezekiel 38:22
  And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
  
  
• Luke 17:29
  But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
  
  
• Revelation 14:10
  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
  
  
• Revelation 20:10
  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  
  
• Revelation 21:8
  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (NASB)

I'm sorry but the Fire and Brimstone are not exclusively related to Sodom and Gamora nor to the Jewish Bible. My point of view on the Holy Scriptures, from Genesis and "In the Beginning," through the very last "Amen" of Revelation 22 are the Holy Words of YHWH, Yashua ha'Meshiach and Ruach ha'Qudesh and because the one called by a translation of His real, Jesus, dictated the Bible to the arguable forty scribes and prophets, it is the truth I seek to live by.

I pray this gives my perspective grounding for you and others to understand.