Are you scared of God?

[Bill]

I have a GED, not even a day of regular college or seminary. The Poor Man's adage, "It's all Greek to me," applies here. The small amounts of other languages were picked up by living for a time in areas where they are spoken, by and large, due to my eight years of Military Service. The only Ancient Texts I am at all interested in are the Original Paleo Hebrew, the true language of the original Hebrew Scriptures.

You seem to seek the why of this matter. Yahshua did not cast away The Original Law, The Ten Commands found on both sets of stone tablets.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The misnamed Old Testament has not passed away, it has been added to causing, as per some Messianic Christian Rabbis, the Covenant Renewal. The Covenant spoken of in The Book of Hebrews is not for the Christian except, possibly, the Messianic Christian but the title of the transcript says it all.

But the crux f the matter is the world is filled with False Teachers that do not even know their teaching is filled with error because they do not hold the Teacher's Feet to the fire. There are, maybe, one in a hundred members of any Assembly that bothers to take notes and then, as they rest, go through the scriptures and compare them with the notes to see if they have been told the truth or was it a set of "Correct Sounding BS."

• Psalm 11:6
  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
  
  
• Ezekiel 38:22
  And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
  
  
• Luke 17:29
  But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
  
  
• Revelation 14:10
  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
  
  
• Revelation 20:10
  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  
  
• Revelation 21:8
  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (NASB)

I'm sorry but the Fire and Brimstone are not exclusively related to Sodom and Gamora nor to the Jewish Bible. My point of view on the Holy Scriptures, from Genesis and "In the Beginning," through the very last "Amen" of Revelation 22 are the Holy Words of YHWH, Yashua ha'Meshiach and Ruach ha'Qudesh and because the one called by a translation of His real, Jesus, dictated the Bible to the arguable forty scribes and prophets, it is the truth I seek to live by.

I pray this gives my perspective grounding for you and others to understand.

But in your own words , you are also not a teacher of the Law , only a student .

So when Rhema is making comments about the concepts or philosiphy you are expressing with your thoughts on the matter , he is also trying to show you some facts.

 

[PloughBoy]

Indeed , i can .

The only hope those in Sodom and Gomorrah will have is they will get to see and hear the Word spoken to them at the last Judgement . It will be in this moment God's Grace will be revealed .

However , the people of this day Have had the opportunity to see and hear the Word . And it is because of this , they will be judged more harshly

Hey Bill, i don't have time to worry about them! I am to busy trying to cover my own hehind
Referring to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah"

 

[Br. Bear]

and everyone is showing kindness to one another because God has shown kindness to them.

Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh; and having an High Priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised; ) and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together [in love], as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto Me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.


For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews 10:19-39

 

[Bill]

Hey Bill, i don't have time to worry about them! I am to busy trying to cover my own hehind
Referring to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah"

Being Christian is to love your nieghbor as yourself .

Prayer goes a long way , it has no limits as God has no limits . You can pray for those who died eons ago and it still effects them.

 

[th1bill]

But in your own words , you are also not a teacher of the Law , only a student .

So when Rhema is making comments about the concepts or philosiphy you are expressing with your thoughts on the matter , he is also trying to show you some facts.

Bill,
That is a silly assertion. The Great Commission makes no requirement for an education beyond studying and learning the Scriptures and, this I have been doing since 1/1/1990. I began teaching with The Primary Class at a Missionary Baptist. Brother Richard started me with the 6, 7 and, 8 year olds because I, like these children, I, at 45 was a new babe in Yashua.

That Class was perfect because 6, 7 and, 8 year olds ask the most unexpected pertinent questions. They are not demanding and and answer in one or two weeks is just fine with them and those children did check my answers with the Pastor, the Deacons and with other teachers. Rude People here are free to deny about 23 years of experience, as they will. Their unresearched lies are of zero importance to the matters of YHWH. I have been called a liar since the first teaching post I posted on several other forums, some of them no longer existing.

Rest assured, to those new members of this, the only Faith that save, as you learn the scriptures, even as you are now Saved, those last three verses in the Book of Matthew mean you.

 

[PloughBoy]

Being Christian is to love your nieghbor as yourself .

Prayer goes a long way , it has no limits as God has no limits . You can pray for those who died eons ago and it still effects them.

But i am not christian, and i am scared of "voodo", I sure don't pray for the dead. But I do understand christians and I respect all men and women in their religions thinking. But i got to "work out my own salvation"

(Philippians 2)NASB
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is atwork in you, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure."

And when that day comes, if there seems to be a problem, I am going to quote this: "Lord" you said:
King James Bible
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

A lot are playing, I 'm not. i am going to be "Loaded" with the WORD of GOD! "For Greater is He that is me, than he that is in The World" and the "Paraclete" is going to be right with me! Remember you cannot lie! You promise he would never leave me!

A lot of people are playing GOD and church! Not me. I am going to be Loaded! Fully clothe. I am going to have a answer! You see i know, i am guilty. In this life many plead The Fifth. And if it gets down to the wire, and all seems lost, I am going to pull my "trump card" "The BLOOD"!

You better read The Book! You might need it. When you go before that Judge!

And when you stand, you better have two "Parakletos" Just in case.

Even Paul said:
Examine Yourselves
1This is the third time I am coming to you.“Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.” 2I already warned you the second time I was with you. So now in my absence I warn those who sinned earlier and everyone else: If I return, I will not spare anyone,"

Testimonies about Jesus (John 5)BSB
"I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. If I testify about Myself, My TESTIMONY is not valid. ...There is another who testifies about Me, and I know that His testimony about Me is valid.…"

PS."Are you scared now?" do you feel the knock on your knees.

 

[Bill]

But i am not christian, and i am scared of "voodo", I sure don't pray for the dead. But I do understand christians and I respect all men and women in their religions thinking. But i got to "work out my own salvation"

(Philippians 2)NASB
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is atwork in you, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure."

And when that day comes, if there seems to be a problem, I am going to quote this: "Lord" you said:
King James Bible
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

A lot are playing, I 'm not. i am going to be "Loaded" with the WORD of GOD! "For Greater is He that is me, than he that is in The World" and the "Paraclete" is going to be right with me! Remember you cannot lie! You promise he would never leave me!

A lot of people are playing GOD and church! Not me. I am going to be Loaded! Fully clothe. I am going to have a answer! You see i know, i am guilty. In this life many plead The Fifth. And if it gets down to the wire, and all seems lost, I am going to pull my "trump card" "The BLOOD"!

You better read The Book! You might need it. When you go before that Judge!

And when you stand, you better have two "Parakletos" Just in case.

Even Paul said:
Examine Yourselves
1This is the third time I am coming to you.“Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.” 2I already warned you the second time I was with you. So now in my absence I warn those who sinned earlier and everyone else: If I return, I will not spare anyone,"

Testimonies about Jesus (John 5)BSB
"I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. If I testify about Myself, My TESTIMONY is not valid. ...There is another who testifies about Me, and I know that His testimony about Me is valid.…"

PS."Are you scared now?" do you feel the knock on your knees.

And who is dead ? This shell i inhabit is only a shadow of who i am . Jesus tells us to love God with your heart, mind, spirit and your whole being . And even though we do many great things in our lifetime here on earth, this shell will remain after i depart from it.

Now our true self is always before God . And when we come to the Father at the last judgement , we are yet still alive. Now certainly a number are already dead from within, but there is hope. As God's Grace is always present.

It is not our place to judge where anyone will end up.

It is our duty as the Fathers children ( that is you too ) to strive , to reach out and always be seeking the lost souls. Too easily the Children only play with " thier " kind . I still hope the Children of the Father will learn to remember all are welcome in the Fathers house

 

[Mayflower]

I was browsing a forum I'm not yet a member of and found a very interesting discussion going on. I thought it would be a good topic to bring here.

Are you scared of God? Do you worship, believe, because you're afraid to go to Hell if you don't?

My answer is no to both questions. Add you own if you feel like it and we can see where this goes.
Sincere, respectful replies requested of Christian sisters and brothers here please. Thank you in advance.

No, the more I read the Word the more I love the Word. I love God and want to serve Him, because I do not have to go to Hell. I have the joy and hope of living my life every day with Him/for Him.

 

[PloughBoy]

And who is dead ? This shell i inhabit is only a shadow of who i am . Jesus tells us to love God with your heart, mind, spirit and your whole being . And even though we do many great things in our lifetime here on earth, this shell will remain after i depart from it.

Now our true self is always before God . And when we come to the Father at the last judgement , we are yet still alive. Now certainly a number are already dead from within, but there is hope. As God's Grace is always present.

It is not our place to judge where anyone will end up.

It is our duty as the Fathers children ( that is you too ) to strive , to reach out and always be seeking the lost souls. Too easily the Children only play with " thier " kind . I still hope the Children of the Father will learn to remember all are welcome in the Fathers house

Would not this come 1st. Your Sanctification and Holiness and then go?
( 1 Thessalonians 4)NASB
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;..that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; ...and that no one violate the rights and take advantage of his brother or sister in the matter, because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you previously and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for ..impurity, but in sanctification....Therefore, the one who rejects this is not rejecting man, but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you."

For would it be detrimental for a soldier to go into battle without knowing how to put on his armor, How dangerous it is not to be skilled in his "weaponry". How unthoughtful would also that person does not know who the enemies are and the weapons they use in the fight. How strange is it going out not even knowing that there are harmful enemies that will tear you soul apart, a wicked force of all kinds, even like "Wolves" who hunts in packs!
For our Master has warn us about these things too! Through out The WHOLE BIBLE which is a "BOOK" of Warfare and full of BLOODSHED from "Genesis to Revelation".
And Christians dying through out the centuries of great violent deaths for their faith along and still dying. If you life is not threaten by death, we must not be following JESUS, and our "Gospel' that we are preaching must be coming up short and have holes in its Presentation. And it is leaking water, The Water of life.

Proclaiming "The GOSPEL According to JESUS CHRIST" is a "sentence" of "Martyrdom" yet life a Big "BullsEyes" place on your back in The LIGHT. And You will be ATTACK by violent forces, if you do it right. But if not. you have no worriers just the common problems that is acquainted unto mankind.. So it is easy for some to step out into the street. [The Mack Trucks is not going to hit you, The beast is not going to claw your soul, and The Viper with not latch upon your arm, and "The Wolves" will not attack you in Packs and Howl at you in The Valley, and the Lions will not roar at you by the gate you must past through and you will not know That The "Wild Beast" exists.

Proclaiming " The Gospel According to JESUS CHRIST" like it should be proclaim ain't no joke. "Modern DAY" warfare it is not like the days of old, it is more deadlier and complex that one may know. Who has never actually been engage in the real fight!.... If only you could run away , you would! Satan has Radar! if only you could hide you would. When he latch on you, that "Emily Post" go's out the window! And "Tongues too"!

Y'all think I'm playing, I ain't!

"the devil knows his time is shorter than it has been, and The Restraints are loosening up, and the Love of many are constantly growing cold. Women rulering the world,
Children telling the parents what to do. Not only the earth getting wild people is too!"

( Isaiah 3)NKJV
"As for My people, children are their oppressors,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err,
And destroy THE WAY of your paths.”

And as far as "Judgement" is concern. The Creation do not belong to us. But It does belong to THE JUDGE of All Craetion! And i do believe a man or a devil will be more kinder than HIM! When He Pour His "WRATH" out. The Bible said: Heaven and Earth ran away and tried to hide and there was to place for them to go

Many christians say this is not going the happen: but i am going live like it will happen.

The Final Judgment
10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and Heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.…


If you think i am going to take my chances of the words that drops form a man or woman lips in their "interpretations" what is to be! It ain't going to Happen! You can sing Glory songs all you want! I am going to stay on"THE PATH" so GOD HELP ME! I can smell the fumes from here

 

[th1bill]

Who are the dead? Such an easy question to answer, when the parameters are defined, they are not in this form of the question. In the case of Mortal Man the Dead can be counted, with some degree of accuracy with a visit to the millions of repositories for Spent Carcasses. On the other hand, the dead Christians concern themselves with are the Walking, Breathing and often Working Dead, of whom we work and party with every day, the Spiritually Dead.

The fact of the matter is that if you do not live for Yashua ha'Mashiah, you are among the Walking Dead, no matter how often you attend Prayer and/or Worship Services.
Matthew 22:37-40 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995)
And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
The fact of the matter Spiritual Life is a 24 hour a day, 7 days a week, 365 day a year effort that none of us without the Infilling of The Holy Spirit can ever hope to do. Even ten we fail and must continually repent, turn 180 degrees from our current sin/sins.

 

[Bill]

No, the more I read the Word the more I love the Word. I love God and want to serve Him, because I do not have to go to Hell. I have the joy and hope of living my life every day with Him/for Him.

That is really beautiful I wish more would understand that

 

[Bethel]

Being Christian is to love your nieghbor as yourself .

Being a Christian is to be born again.
Discipleship, that you are describing, starts with Loving God first, and then, the neighbors, the enemies, and the rest.

 

[Bill]

Being a Christian is to be born again.
Discipleship, that you are describing, starts with Loving God first, and then, the neighbors, the enemies, and the rest.

its all part of being Christian , to Love God . There is no first or second . You just Love.

 

[Bethel]

its all part of being Christian , to Love God . There is no first or second . You just Love.

Jesus has a different idea about that..
He says that loving God, is first and foremost as you are to do that with all your heart, mind, and soul.

The other is to "love your neighbor as yourself", and that is different, Bill

 

[Bethel]

Prayer goes a long way , it has no limits as God has no limits . You can pray for those who died eons ago and it still effects them.

Scripture and verse that says you can pray for the dead, or should?

Scripture and verse that says if a Christ Rejector dies, God will accept prayers for them in Hell that can save them.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I was browsing a forum I'm not yet a member of and found a very interesting discussion going on. I thought it would be a good topic to bring here.

Are you scared of God? Do you worship, believe, because you're afraid to go to Hell if you don't?

My answer is no to both questions. Add you own if you feel like it and we can see where this goes.
Sincere, respectful replies requested of Christian sisters and brothers here please. Thank you in advance.

There is a great book titled Rejoice and Tremble (The Surprising Good News of the Fear of the Lord ) by Michael Reeves.

Much to say about this topic but I'll just start by speaking of one thing that he speaks of in his book.
He talked about how the secular world talks about doing away with the fear of God so we won't have anxieties;
however he shares that because we don't fear God we end up fearing everything else.

We fear each other, we fear losing our jobs, we fear diseases, etc. He mentions that when the fear of the Lord is in
its rightful place, than we won't live a life full of anxieties and worry because if we are right with God all is well.

He also talks about SinFul Fear vs Right Fear.
Sinful fear being the fear the sinner has towards God, and
Right Fear having to do with fear and reverence for God's awesome holiness and greatness.

He shares that when one is a sinner, it makes sense for them to have a sinful fear of God,
but when God is our Father, the fear is a different type of fear, though the same word used
in the Bible in many situations.

This fear(for the believer) draws us to worship God, while the same fear draws the unbeliever
to flee God. When the Cheribums cry out "Holy Holy Holy" what emotion do you think they are feeling?
I would say it is an awesome fear and reverence of the greatness of God. A fear that doesn't make
them want to flee or run away, but a fear that draws them to worship.

So yes, we should fear God.
The sinner should fear what life is like without God. But also know of God's great Love through
Jesus and how that wrath was satisfied in Christ. Yet if one does not accept the death of Christ, they
are left to endure that wrath on themselves. And when we are in the body of Christ and God is our father,
we have a fear(respect and reverence) but it draws us closer to God.

 

[Hekuran]

There is a great book titled Rejoice and Tremble (The Surprising Good News of the Fear of the Lord ) by Michael Reeves.

Much to say about this topic but I'll just start by speaking of one thing that he speaks of in his book.
He talked about how the secular world talks about doing away with the fear of God so we won't have anxieties;
however he shares that because we don't fear God we end up fearing everything else.

We fear each other, we fear losing our jobs, we fear diseases, etc. He mentions that when the fear of the Lord is in
its rightful place, than we won't live a life full of anxieties and worry because if we are right with God all is well.

He also talks about SinFul Fear vs Right Fear.
Sinful fear being the fear the sinner has towards God, and
Right Fear having to do with fear and reverence for God's awesome holiness and greatness.

He shares that when one is a sinner, it makes sense for them to have a sinful fear of God,
but when God is our Father, the fear is a different type of fear, though the same word used
in the Bible in many situations.

This fear(for the believer) draws us to worship God, while the same fear draws the unbeliever
to flee God. When the Cheribums cry out "Holy Holy Holy" what emotion do you think they are feeling?
I would say it is an awesome fear and reverence of the greatness of God. A fear that doesn't make
them want to flee or run away, but a fear that draws them to worship.

So yes, we should fear God.
The sinner should fear what life is like without God. But also know of God's great Love through
Jesus and how that wrath was satisfied in Christ. Yet if one does not accept the death of Christ, they
are left to endure that wrath on themselves. And when we are in the body of Christ and God is our father,
we have a fear(respect and reverence) but it draws us closer to God.

I think that gets the balance about right. Men as Godly as Isaiah and John the author of revelation were struck with terror in the presence of God.

And yet it is only in the presence of God that true peace is found.

 

[th1bill]

That is really beautiful I wish more would understand that

Bill, you just seem not to read the context. I said this before and it flew right over your head. Others have expressed the same love and respect for YHWH, Father God, in their best-used forms of expression, and again, it passed right over as you appeared to duck it. But, here it is; I fear YHWH in the exact, same manor that I feared my Dad. I never feared being beaten. Instead I sometimes wished for a belt or a strap and an end to the reasons he was ashamed of what I had done. I Feared disappointing him and I fear disappointing our Triune Creator. I am indwelt with Ruach ha'Qudesh and know I am forgiven of all present, past, and future sin. However, sin is so easily fallen into and I do not ever, want to disappoint my Father, the definition of fear here.

 

[th1bill]

Scripture and verse that says you can pray for the dead, or should?

Scripture and verse that says if a Christ Rejector dies, God will accept prayers for them in Hell that can save them.

Bill, I second Bethel's request. I understand exactly the opposite from Luke 16:19-31:
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus jat his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” (ESV) Thanks to biblia.com.