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[God's Truth]

Is it your belief that we will know everything and be able to resolve all spiritual doctrine on this side of heaven?

Of course, for I am showing you the errors of the teachings of the Lutherans, and I am showing you this with scripture.

 

[God's Truth]

You state "we are not to follow mere men", I agree, I am following Jesus.

You are following Luther.
Luther taught things against Jesus.

Even Paul told others, follow me as I follow Christ. There is nothing wrong with learning from
elder Christians, and having Pastors that teach us the WORD, which we follow up with our own study. I'm not sure

Paul is an Apostle though. Luther is not.

what you are getting at. We are not to be lone sheep Christians, coming to the knowledge of God in a vacuum. We learn
in community, with and from others, and we also study solo. I'm still not sure where in my history you saw that I had
Lutheran teachers but let's continue.

We are not to be solo? Luther started out as solo, except he got many to follow him.

I point everything to Jesus and how to have Jesus your Teacher.

You stated "Luther taught is that people can baptize infants."
What I believe is that Baptism does not save you, it is an act done in obedience as Jesus as commanded as a public show of our association with the church.

That is not what Jesus says about baptism.

I don't fault those who want to Baptize an infant as a pre-cursor for their adult Baptism, in anticipation as they stand in the gap in faith. Similar
to the paralzed man, who was healed by the faith of his friends, not his faith, but the faith of his friends. now think about that and the implications.
But with that said, I don't believe baptism saves, it is an outward act to represent inward transformation done by the Holy Spirit. of course people can
be a dry devil and be baptized and come out a wet devil.

The thing though is that infant baptism is wrong.

You stated" Luther taught to just have faith and nothing else,"
I don't believe that teaching of Luther.

You don't believe in faith alone?
Methodists teach faith alone.
You said you were a Methodist.

So you want to explain how a person is saved?

You stated "he taught serious error in preaching against repenting of sins to get saved."
I believe in repentance of sins to get saved.

That is wonderful to hear that you do not believe in faith alone.

You stated "Luther taught Jesus is present in the bread and wine."
I don't believe that also.

That is good to hear.

So if I don't believe what he taught and I'm not following his teachings, why do you
insist on calling me a follower of Luther? Please help me understand you.

Thanks.

You said you were a Methodist, and, you say things that the Reformers say.
Tell me more about your beliefs.
Tell me how you believe people are saved.

 

[GodB4Us]

Thanks for sharing.
The Methodist church that I belong to is the United Methodist Church.
Obviously not only Methodist will be in heaven, and obviously Methodist don't have all the truth.

Denominations are in interesting thing.
Pros and Cons my friend.

The Cons is that they will often follow tradition and be slow to change if they are doing something wrong.

The Pro however is that having a sound belief that has been stable for generations helps protect against
being deceived in certain ways.

For example, many many cults that start up, like the Jim Jones where they are drinking the KoolAid waiting for the spaceship,
are often non-denominational in the sense of being connected to a historical church. Therefore they have
less accountability, they are often doing something "NEW" and often leads them to stray from the tried and test true path.
Denominations also provides some type of standardization and template for setting up the church, you don't have to
reinvent the wheel every time. For example, many will talk about Pastors who get paid alot and drive expensive cars.
Well, that is not in the United Methodist Church because we have set standards governing, how much pastor is paid
and it is more likely in the nondenominational churches, where they can set their own salaries and without the accountability
of tradition, they have more freedom to do things their own way, and more room to stray into error.

However, denominations have issues as well. They sometimes can make an idol out of their belief and often
times when something they believe is wrong, it is difficult to get them to see outside of that.

So just for church education, one difference for example between the Baptist Church and the United Methodist Church
is that the Baptist church is locally controlled, there may be various Baptist conventions and conferences, but each
Baptism church is operated under the power of the local members (Pastor, trustees, etc). However with the United Methodist
the power is held more at the conference level, not with the Pastor. United Methodist Pastors are assigned to a church
by the conference (whereas Baptist for example, the members choose their pastor). For the UMC has what we call
the Itinerant system in which Pastors are moved around from church to church perhaps every 5 years or so . This
was modeled after John Wesley who would travel to different churches. The logic is so that the congregation doesn't
focus solely on serving the Pastor but God, and the Pastors can be moved to different churches and spread their gifts .

One pastor might have a gift of finances and another a gift of administration. And by moving both around you allow each
church an opportunity to benefit from the gifts of those pastors, you empower the lay members to have greater power in the
church since pastors are not assigned permanently, and you allow things to less likely be stuck/stale, such as we've always done it this way.

Yea denominations are interesting, pros and cons. However I will say that sometimes those who run away from the church body
because of the cons of denominations, often end up being lone sheep Christians. Thinking they can just study the word by
themselves, and end up having no one to encourage and uplift, and no one they are accountable to, and no where
to use their gifts for the body of Christ.

What do you say to Catholics for their sake? Just wondering.

As for the moving around but for the pastors to be doing, every member of the body of Christ is an able minister by Him as each member serves a different function in that body of believers, the assembly.

The only authority that is to be maintained is the Word of God as the final authority as Christ is the head of every believer.

When churches, pastor, or a member does not yield to the authority of the Word of God, excommunication and/or withdrawal is the commandment from the Lord and we need His help to do even that.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;....
....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Nowadays, churches keep saved believer not abiding in Him, hoping they will get the message from the pulpit and repent without ever addressing them, correcting them, or rebuking them to avoid excommunication.

It seems to be the practice of the Catholic Church in regards to keeping child molesting priests. All they do is move them to a different parish rather than excommunicating the unrepentant. Certainly not to hold their former position. I sincerely hope in the Lord that parents of a child that was molested refuse to handle it "in house" and get him arrested and put behind bars since there is no deterrence for child molesting priests within the church system.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You don't know the difference in which I am speaking about? God doesn't predestine people by saving them first as many reformers teach.
That scripture proves the PLAN is predestined, not people.

So, I've shared that I do not believe in predestination in the sense that one does not have a role to play.

However to your point, which is an interesting one, let us chew over it.

You agree or admit that God predestined plans, then you say, not people.
Well aren't the plans for the people?

That scripture is not speaking about a universal plan but a personal plan. A personal plan for a person.
But I don't want to come across as I'm arguing for predestination, defined as God's plans without man's response.
That is not what I'm arguing.

But it just caught my action when it seems like you are now admitting that God makes plans but you separate the
plans from people.

Perhaps you mean that the plans just have to do with works, but not salvation?
For example, like how Jesus "planned" and selected Judas, but Judas ended up choosing to go do a bad path.

My father, a Methodist Minister, puts it this way. Calvinist confuse the point of election and salvation.
They believe that because they have been chosen, they are also saved. Meaning they think election and salvation is the same
thing, and they are not. God elected or chose Pharaoh, I have scriptures but I think you already know. However Pharaoh
didn't seemed to be saved. God also chose Judas, as I said before, but Judas hung himself in an unrepentant state, likely going to hell.

So you are correct that God does have plans, but these plans are plans for people, however the people have a role to plan, yet
sometimes it seems that God has chosen them to play the villain, like in the case of Pharaoh, or in the case of Babylon,
God chooses certain evil natures to chastise God's people for their disobedience. Very interesting. Your take is welcomed on
the whole thing about God choosing Pharaoh. Thanks.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You admitted in faith alone.
Faith alone doctrine says believe and NOT do anything else like repent of your sins to get saved and to stay saved.

Admitted in faith alone?

I said that we are saved by Faith alone, through Grace alone, and in Christ alone.

What this means is that we can't take credit. That does not mean that we don't have work to do.

Faith alone meaning we must believe it is not because we are good (Justification by faith)
Grace alone meaning it is a gift (Not of works)
Christ alone (meaning no other savior other than Jesus, not Budhha, etc, etc)

That still does not mean that I believe we don't have to work. What does Christ alone mean?
Jesus said, if anyone would come after me, let them deny themselves, take up their cross,
and follow me. That is work, denying self and walking on the strait and narrow path. That is work.

But although we work, we are not meriting or earning it.

For example, an athlete wants to compete in the Olympics for a gold medal, but they are not good enough,
they didn't qualify. But the Olympic committee says, we will give you a gift, and give you a free ticket of entrance
into the 2024 Olympic games. Now the athlete who is in the games can't say they are there because they "worked" for
it. It was a gift. But while they are in the Olympics, they still have to work and run the race to get the medal.

SO that is what I mean by faith alone, I'm not going back and forth as it appears to you, I just haven't done a good
job of explaining how I see it.

So faith alone, meaning. Faith alone not works, Christ alone (only His blood saves), and Grace alone, it is a gift.
But that does not negate that work we have to do as illustrated by the analogy above.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Of course, for I am showing you the errors of the teachings of the Lutherans, and I am showing you this with scripture.

Thanks for sharing what you believe. I do know that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, and we are to have the mind of Christ.
Yet the verse below is where I'm at now.

1 Corinthians 13:12​

King James Version​

" For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

I am admitting like Paul did that I know in part, and I see through a glass darkly(dimly). So I don't have absolute confidence in
everything I believe, nor do I have the expectation to know all things. However I do believe in the solid unchanging truth of God.
I just don't expect to know it all, on this side. It seems you do.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

What do you say to Catholics for their sake? Just wondering.

Hey brother, greetings .

So what do I say to Catholics? Well, I'll first start by what I have said to previous Catholic friends.

I have questioned them on their idolatry of Mary.
I question them about how the Catholic Church does not promote the individual reading the scriptures
I question them on why they must confess to a priest when we can go straight to Jesus.

Those are the main points I focus on.

Then sometimes I ask them if they have a personal relationship with Jesus.
I think the Catholic church has many errors. Many.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Thanks for sharing what you believe. I do know that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, and we are to have the mind of Christ.
Yet the verse below is where I'm at now.

1 Corinthians 13:12​

King James Version​

" For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

I am admitting like Paul did that I know in part, and I see through a glass darkly(dimly). So I don't have absolute confidence in
everything I believe, nor do I have the expectation to know all things. However I do believe in the solid unchanging truth of God.
I just don't expect to know it all, on this side. It seems you do.

I am confident in the basics.

Jesus died for my sins,
I am a sinner,
I cannot save myself apart from the blood of Christ.
Jesus is God the Son and the Son of God.
God created this world
God loves me
God will forgive my sins if I confess and repent and believe in Jesus.

I'm confident in these basic truths.
Some other things I'm still learning and while I expect to grow in knowledge, I don't expect to know 100% of the Bible doctrine,
but these foundational truths, I'm sure of that I listed above.

 

[God's Truth]

So, I've shared that I do not believe in predestination in the sense that one does not have a role to play.

However to your point, which is an interesting one, let us chew over it.

You agree or admit that God predestined plans, then you say, not people.
Well aren't the plans for the people?

God knows who will believe and obey Him, but He doesn't predestine people to believe and obey Him.

It doesn't sound like you are a Calvinist.

You do sound like a Lutheran or a sect from Luther, but if you study more about the Calvin teachings then you will understand more about what I am talking about.

That scripture is not speaking about a universal plan but a personal plan. A personal plan for a person.

Not sure what you mean by saying that.
It sounds wrong though, because the plan is about a personal relationship with God, but for everyone.

But I don't want to come across as I'm arguing for predestination, defined as God's plans without man's response.
That is not what I'm arguing.

But it just caught my action when it seems like you are now admitting that God makes plans but you separate the
plans from people.

This is an important part for serious studies in doctrines.
You seem to be a serious study about doctrines that are taught.
This is what I find in most people who come to sites like this.
We want to discuss the deep things of God and not just post to preach and have people agree, and if they don't then spend your time calling them a devil.

Perhaps you mean that the plans just have to do with works, but not salvation?

No. What? The plan definitely has to do with with salvation.

We have to obey what God says the plan is.

For example, like how Jesus "planned" and selected Judas, but Judas ended up choosing to go do a bad path.

Okay...right, salvation through Jesus dying for us was the plan, and it was the plan before God created the world...

Jesus selected Judas to betray him was part of the plan.

My father, a Methodist Minister,

Wow.

puts it this way. Calvinist confuse the point of election and salvation.
They believe that because they have been chosen, they are also saved. Meaning they think election and salvation is the same

Election and salvation is the same.

thing, and they are not. God elected or chose Pharaoh, I have scriptures but I think you already know. However Pharaoh
didn't seemed to be saved. God also chose Judas, as I said before, but Judas hung himself in an unrepentant state, likely going to hell.

Hmmm, I am speaking about elected/chosen to be saved, and not about used to help bring the plan into fruition.

So you are correct that God does have plans, but these plans are plans for people, however the people have a role to plan, yet
sometimes it seems that God has chosen them to play the villain, like in the case of Pharaoh, or in the case of Babylon,

Right but that is about the plan.
The Pharaoh was a sinner and God had no problem with having him pay for those sins in order to teach something major.

Jesus picking Judas who was evil was chosen so that was the plan when Jesus would get crucified.

Jesus knows what is in everyone's heart, and Judas, sad though that it is, was not one who repented of his sins. He remained a bad person, he was a thief and would still from the money collected by the disciples for the poor. He spent all that time with Jesus and never believed in Jesus. When Judas realized that he was guilty of helping innocent blood get shed...he went to the Pharisees and teachers of the law, so that he could rightly be put to death ACCORDING TO THE OLD LAW, but they wanted Jesus put to death and they couldn't punish Judas for helping them. So they told Judas to go take care of that...so he did, he killed himself.

God chooses certain evil natures to chastise God's people for their disobedience. Very interesting. Your take is welcomed on
the whole thing about God choosing Pharaoh. Thanks.

The Pharaoh being hardened destroys the Calvinist's beliefs that man cannot believe and obey God unless enabled. As I mentioned before, the Pharaoh sinned and God did harden him.

So good discussing with you.

 

[God's Truth]

Admitted in faith alone?

I said that we are saved by Faith alone, through Grace alone, and in Christ alone.

That is what I said. You admit to the teaching of faith alone.
Faith alone is a false teaching, a teaching which Luther is a pusher of.

What this means is that we can't take credit. That does not mean that we don't have work to do.

It is a false teaching.

Faith alone meaning we must believe it is not because we are good (Justification by faith)

There are good people.
See that, you preached falseness from Luther, and many sects from Luther, like the Methodist denomination and their founder John Wesley.

Grace alone meaning it is a gift (Not of works)

They teach wrong about what grace alone to mean not of works.

Christ alone (meaning no other savior other than Jesus, not Budhha, etc, etc)

No that is not what they mean.

They mean Christ alone and you do nothing, like obey by repenting of your sins.

That still does not mean that I believe we don't have to work. What does Christ alone mean?

Christ alone doctrine means not of anything besides just believing in Jesus.
Faith alone means just believe and that if you do anything else, like say you repented of your sins, then you fell from grace and are not saved because you have a works salvation.

Jesus said, if anyone would come after me, let them deny themselves, take up their cross,
and follow me. That is work, denying self and walking on the strait and narrow path. That is work.

EXACTLY.
However, many teach that Jesus, after dying and then saved Paul and had Paul teach ANOTHER way to get saved.

But although we work, we are not meriting or earning it.

You say that because you were taught wrong by the meriting and what the work is, or WAS.

The WORKS that the people USED to have to do to belong to God were these:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.


Those are the works of the law.

Those are the things that Lutherans and Calvinists and faith alone teachers misunderstand Paul about.
Paul is talking about how it is no longer of those works.
However, they preach that Paul was saying don't do anything.

For example, an athlete wants to compete in the Olympics for a gold medal, but they are not good enough,
they didn't qualify. But the Olympic committee says, we will give you a gift, and give you a free ticket of entrance
into the 2024 Olympic games. Now the athlete who is in the games can't say they are there because they "worked" for
it. It was a gift. But while they are in the Olympics, they still have to work and run the race to get the medal.

As you probably know that Paul uses a boxer and a runner in a race to explain how we HAVE TO OBEY.

Yet that teaching is lost in the false teachings that are so rampant and almost too much to teach against, but something I can't help but do.

SO that is what I mean by faith alone, I'm not going back and forth as it appears to you, I just haven't done a good
job of explaining how I see it.

You are really doing a good job because you are willing to listen and reply to what I am saying.
I hope that you consider more carefully and will see the more perfect truth.
Apollos was taken to the side and taught more of the right way.
There is nothing wrong with learning and being shown and corrected, for that is what we are told to do.
I just hope you don't resign to no longer seeing where the teaching you were given were wrong.
I think that some people just can't let it go of their false teachings, even after hearing the truth.
Some people might fall away, but some people might not and they are glad to hear the truth.

So faith alone, meaning. Faith alone not works, Christ alone (only His blood saves), and Grace alone, it is a gift.

We are warned against faith alone. When Paul says by faith and not of works, he is speaking about the purification works no longer saving.
The GIFT is given TO THOSE who change like a little child.
The gift is given to those who obey Jesus and become a child of God's.
We have to do what Jesus says to do to become that child.

But that does not negate that work we have to do as illustrated by the analogy above.

That is where you will have to decide if you want to preach and believe the false faith alone doctrine, or to teach what the Teacher says.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

God knows who will believe and obey Him, but He doesn't predestine people to believe and obey Him.

It doesn't sound like you are a Calvinist.

You do sound like a Lutheran or a sect from Luther, but if you study more about the Calvin teachings then you will understand more about what I am talking about.

Not sure what you mean by saying that.
It sounds wrong though, because the plan is about a personal relationship with God, but for everyone.

This is an important part for serious studies in doctrines.
You seem to be a serious study about doctrines that are taught.
This is what I find in most people who come to sites like this.
We want to discuss the deep things of God and not just post to preach and have people agree, and if they don't then spend your time calling them a devil.

No. What? The plan definitely has to do with with salvation.

We have to obey what God says the plan is.

Okay...right, salvation through Jesus dying for us was the plan, and it was the plan before God created the world...

Jesus selected Judas to betray him was part of the plan.

Wow.

Election and salvation is the same.




Hmmm, I am speaking about elected/chosen to be saved, and not about used to help bring the plan into fruition.

Right but that is about the plan.
The Pharaoh was a sinner and God had no problem with having him pay for those sins in order to teach something major.

Jesus picking Judas who was evil was chosen so that was the plan when Jesus would get crucified.

Jesus knows what is in everyone's heart, and Judas, sad though that it is, was not one who repented of his sins. He remained a bad person, he was a thief and would still from the money collected by the disciples for the poor. He spent all that time with Jesus and never believed in Jesus. When Judas realized that he was guilty of helping innocent blood get shed...he went to the Pharisees and teachers of the law, so that he could rightly be put to death ACCORDING TO THE OLD LAW, but they wanted Jesus put to death and they couldn't punish Judas for helping them. So they told Judas to go take care of that...so he did, he killed himself.

The Pharaoh being hardened destroys the Calvinist's beliefs that man cannot believe and obey God unless enabled. As I mentioned before, the Pharaoh sinned and God did harden him.

So good discussing with you.

Enjoying the discussion.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

No that is not what they mean.

They mean Christ alone and you do nothing, like obey by repenting of your sins.

Thanks for educating me on that. Gotcha.

I didn't know they preached that you didn't need to repent.

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks for sharing what you believe.

You must know that it is rare for you to say that. I am so glad to hear you say that. It is the type of heart I had/have when I was saved and given more than I ever though possible.

I do know that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, and we are to have the mind of Christ.

To have the mind of Christ is to have an obedient mind. Agree?

Yet the verse below is where I'm at now.

1 Corinthians 13:12​

King James Version​

" For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

In the Old Testament, old law times, people saw darkly, dimly, they only had prophecy in part, and they were as children, until Jesus came the first time.

I am admitting like Paul did that I know in part, and I see through a glass darkly(dimly).

You were taught wrongly about that scripture, and there is so much to talk about. It is amazing at all the the things to keep learning and talking about when it comes to God and the scriptures.

So I don't have absolute confidence in
everything I believe, nor do I have the expectation to know all things. However I do believe in the solid unchanging truth of God.

See that, you have a heart to want to know God better. I am so glad that I kept humble and didn't get angry and offensive when people came in my life to say I had the wrong beliefs.

2 Timothy 2:5 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Just don't be like this:

2 Timothy 3:7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

I just don't expect to know it all, on this side. It seems you do.

The "know it all" part concerns me that you said that. We can know what the truth is concerning how to be saved and what the Bible is talking about.

It matters what we believe and what we teach, and we can know the truth and see the errors of the denominations.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

To have the mind of Christ is to have an obedient mind. Agree?

I believe that is a part of it, it also includes humility, serving others, and having
the truth of God in us.

"The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."
- 1 Corinthians 2:16

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

In the Old Testament, old law times, people saw darkly, dimly, they only had prophecy in part, and they were as children, until Jesus came the first time.

You say that relates to the Old Testament? You sure?

Paul who is writing that, says "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but....".
I read the word "now" which communicates present tense. But you believe when he says now he is speaking
about the Old Testament saints of the past?

Notice, he is writing after Jesus' resurrection, correct?

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks for educating me on that. Gotcha.

I didn't know they preached that you didn't need to repent.

I joined discussion and debate sites years ago because I would read all the questions that people had, and I just wanted to help, but was met with mostly hateful people who tried to crush me instead of consider what I said and possibly learn something.
I know of a lot of doctrines from many different denominations, because I falsely used to believe that Jesus was found in a denomination.
I have heard some strange and twisted doctrines, but the one that really is the worst is the faith alone and don't repent of yours sins...it is so blatantly false and goes against Jesus who came to show us the Way and says plainly to repent of sins.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

The "know it all" part concerns me that you said that. We can know what the truth is concerning how to be saved and what the Bible is talking about.

It matters what we believe and what we teach, and we can know the truth and see the errors of the denominations.

You stated "We can know what the truth is concerning how to be saved and what the Bible is talking about",

I agree.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe that is a part of it, it also includes humility

Well, Jesus tells us we have to be humble, so see there, it is ultimately about having an obedient mind.

, serving others, and having
the truth of God in us.

Right, but remember you said you didn't know that you could have the truth.

"The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."
- 1 Corinthians 2:16

Everything is about obeying. That is where the power is. That is where the Spirit and the life is. That is where knowing God and Him knowing you is. It is everything, and that is why it means so much to me to preach obedience to Christ the Word of God.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I joined discussion and debate sites years ago because I would read all the questions that people had, and I just wanted to help, but was met with mostly hateful people who tried to crush me instead of consider what I said and possibly learn something.
I know of a lot of doctrines from many different denominations, because I falsely used to believe that Jesus was found in a denomination.
I have heard some strange and twisted doctrines, but the one that really is the worst is the faith alone and don't repent of yours sins...it is so blatantly false and goes against Jesus who came to show us the Way and says plainly to repent of sins.

I found this my brother, help me and share if this is how you see it.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Well, Jesus tells us we have to be humble, so see there, it is ultimately about having an obedient mind.

Right, but remember you said you didn't know that you could have the truth.


Everything is about obeying. That is where the power is. That is where the Spirit and the life is. That is where knowing God and Him knowing you is. It is everything, and that is why it means so much to me to preach obedience to Christ the Word of God.

Most definitely, Obedience is important.

You ever read these books? I've listened to both about twice for once and about 3 times for the other. Feeds me well.

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