Can a Christian person have demons?

[Shaolin]

Your analogy is not truth about Kenneth Copeland.

What I said pertains to ANY false teacher...Copeland, Hinn, any of them...

What you said is not even an analogy from the scriptures.

Are you really that childish of mind, or are you just rebutting out of emotional disturbance and so you can't think straight? An analogy does not have to be "from the scriptures" in order to be a true analogy. You are digging yourself into a hole that you cannot get out of.

Kenneth Copeland can say things and it help others to get saved.
You comparing him to arsenic on food is ridiculous.

Again...if he teaches false doctrines, then the comparison STANDS...regardless of whether your sensibilities are hurt or not. False doctrines only have two purposes: to keep people from getting saved, and to destroy their relationship with God if they do get saved. Both have the same end result - the lake of fire for the rest of eternity.

According to what you said it would go for you too.

I would say to prove it, but since you don't know what you are talking about, it would just go over your head. I can demonstrate with Scripture anything pertaining to doctrine that I say, and that is something that YOU cannot do.

Try to prove it.

I already have...is that your tactic, trying to get people to beat a dead horse?

Circumcision is the teaching of the Pharisees.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. In Judaism today there is no Pharisee sect, there is only the Haredi, Dati, Masorti, and the Hiloni. As far as Judaism goes, God gave the rite of circumcision LOOOOONG before the Pharisees even existed. If you are talking about the days of Jesus and Paul, you are off there again (no kidding). As I stated earlier, you don't know what you are talking about and seem to have no real education in the Scriptures that counts for anything.

You don't know that it is what you did? You tried to use arsenic as leaven, and Copeland's doctrinal errors like the immoral sins in 1 Corinthians.

Wrong again, young padowan. I used the analogy of arsenic sprinkled on steak in comparison to false teachers who do teach some truth mixed in with their lies. They will tell you that Jesus is God in the flesh (truth) but then turn around and tell you that when God originally created Eve, He put her sex organ in her right side...then when she sinned, the flesh closed up there and opened up between her legs (Hinn, around 1990 on TBN), and copeland may not go that far, but the prosperity nonsense that he teaches is a false doctrine.

Prove it that I have false teachings.
I know you can't.

Now you sound like a third grader...I already have, just because you reject Biblical truth doesn't mean that you are right (outside of your own mind).

Yes it is. You aren't speaking the truth about me or about anything else.

The name shaolin is that of a Buddhist temple.

Yes...it is, and in my dialogue I did not say anything of the sort that I was buddhist...I gave you the reason why that became one of my nicknames. I have also been called "the white tiger" and "the white ninja," but I am not going to change my screen name just because you are having an episode...

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Shaolin​

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• Any of various styles or schools of Chinese martial arts developed by the monks of the Shaolin Temple, a Buddhist monastery in China.

Yes...and you demonstrate that you either don't know how to do responsible research, or you only find in your 'research' what you want to use against a person without looking at the whole enchalada.

Those monks who practiced the martial arts were not buddhist, they were patriots learning the MA's in order to fight against the invading Huns. While there were buddhist monks at the two Shoalin temples, not everyone who lived at those temples were buddhist monks. The buddhist monks themselves seldom learned the kung fu styles secretly taught at their temples, but they allowed them to be taught because, again, they were patriots.

Nice try...again...

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[Shaolin]

Go look at your post #188.

I understand that some people have mental problems, but you shouldn't be able to post things like and just get away with it.

Really...I said, "Wow...this thread has REALLY been derailed..." and you think in your brain that this is something that "shouldn't be able to post things like that and just get away with it?"

As I said, you have some problems.

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[God's Truth]

What I said pertains to ANY false teacher...Copeland, Hinn, any of them...

Kenneth Copeland has said some good and powerful things that have helped people in the Lord.

Are you really that childish of mind, or are you just rebutting out of emotional disturbance and so you can't think straight?

boring

An analogy does not have to be "from the scriptures" in order to be a true analogy. You are digging yourself into a hole that you cannot get out of.

The analogies in the Bible are good, yours are not.

Again...if he teaches false doctrines, then the comparison STANDS...regardless of whether your sensibilities are hurt or not. False doctrines only have two purposes: to keep people from getting saved, and to destroy their relationship with God if they do get saved. Both have the same end result - the lake of fire for the rest of eternity.

You can't change the truth.
Someone such as yourself who uses a Buddhist name should be more careful about how he condemns.

Wrong again, young padowan. I used the analogy of arsenic sprinkled on steak in comparison to false teachers who do teach some truth mixed in with their lies. They will tell you that Jesus is God in the flesh (truth) but then turn around and tell you that when God originally created Eve, He put her sex organ in her right side...then when she sinned, the flesh closed up there and opened up between her legs (Hinn, around 1990 on TBN), and copeland may not go that far, but the prosperity nonsense that he teaches is a false doctrine.

smh

Now you sound like a third grader...I already have, just because you reject Biblical truth doesn't mean that you are right (outside of your own mind).

Yes...it is, and in my dialogue I did not say anything of the sort that I was buddhist...I gave you the reason why that became one of my nicknames. I have also been called "the white tiger" and "the white ninja," but I am not going to change my screen name just because you are having an episode...

Promote Buddhism see if I care.

Yes...and you demonstrate that you either don't know how to do responsible research, or you only find in your 'research' what you want to use against a person without looking at the whole enchalada.

Those monks who practiced the martial arts were not buddhist, they were patriots learning the MA's in order to fight against the invading Huns. While there were buddhist monks at the two Shoalin temples, not everyone who lived at those temples were buddhist monks. The buddhist monks themselves seldom learned the kung fu styles secretly taught at their temples, but they allowed them to be taught because, again, they were patriots.

Nice try...again...

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Shaolin Monastery, also known as Shaolin Temple, is a renowned temple recognized as the birthplace of Chan Buddhism and the cradle of Shaolin Kung Fu. It is located at the foot of Wuru Peak of the Songshan mountain range in Dengfeng County, Henan Province, China. Wikipedia

 

[God's Truth]

Really...I said, "Wow...this thread has REALLY been derailed..." and you think in your brain that this is something that "shouldn't be able to post things like that and just get away with it?"

As I said, you have some problems.

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May the Lord rebuke you.

 

[complete]

There are a few things here that need to be clarified. First, no one is saved just because they believe, that is false doctrine straight out of calvinism that Scripture does not support.
Second, the new nature has nothing to do with possession, neither could it stop it.

You are correct that a demon cannot fully possess a saved person indwelt by the Holy Spirit, because He would not allow it...however, there is a difference between full possession and a person having a demon.

Blessings

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'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)

Hello @Shaolin,

I have not followed your responses to others in this thread, for I know nothing about demon possession, but regarding your reply to myself I will say only that I stand by what I said in entry #170: further discussion would derail the thread.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[God's Truth]

'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)

Hello @Shaolin,

I have not followed your responses to others in this thread, for I know nothing about demon possession, but regarding your reply to myself I will say only that I stand by what I said in entry #170: further discussion would derail the thread.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

We have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus.
No such thing as believe and do nothing else.

 

[Garee]

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. In Judaism today there is no Pharisee sect, there is only the Haredi, Dati, Masorti, and the Hiloni. As far as Judaism goes, God gave the rite of circumcision LOOOOONG before the Pharisees even existed. If you are talking about the days of Jesus and Paul, you are off there again (no kidding). As I stated earlier, you don't know what you are talking about and seem to have no real education in the Scriptures that counts for anything.

A education from the scriptures (sola scriptura) alone as it is written or from another source of faith as it is writen. No man can serve two written teaching masters .

 

[joecoten]

For the record...in my opinion, Word Of Faith is a toxic heresy, one of the worst things that has ever happened to the church. I despise it! But that's just me.

 

[Garee]

Yes, you are "grossly misunderstanding" what I said.

I said that one does not get saved JUST because they believe that is NOT in Scripture. Mark 16:16 proves my point which you quoted...one must believe AND receive water baptism in order to enter into Christ, and only in Christ does one receive salvation.

Romans 10:9 is only part of the context...

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

The Greek tells us something a little different (and more accurate):

Romans 10:8-10*
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the teaching of the doctrines of the Faith which we proclaim);
9 because if you profess with your mouth that you have made Jesus Christ your Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, then you will be saved.
10 Because with the heart one believes into righteousness, and with the mouth he makes a covenant promise taking him into salvation.

The word some translations render as "confess" is the word homologeo, which can mean, depending upon its use and grammar, either assent to, consent, admit, concede, confess, acknowledge, profess, or to enter into a covenant accord through oath/promise; in this verse it takes on the meaning of 'to profess.' The phrase, "have made Jesus Christ your Lord" means that you acknowledge Him as your Lord - that is, as having the right to rule over your life because you have made Him your Lord and Master. It does not just mean the cursory "He is Lord" but goes well beyond that statement of truth, no person is saved without making Jesus their Lord and Master. In the way that homologeo is utilized here in verse 10 by Paul, he implies the same as Peter does in I Pet. 3:21 - a covenant oath or promise to walk in obedience to God.

According to the fullness of Scripture on this point, in order to get saved one must first choose to exercise faith in Christ, then he must choose to repent from his previous lifestyle of sinful behavior, and then he must choose to receive water baptism into Christ (which, according to Scripture, is the ONLY way to enter into Christ, God's living embodiment of His New Covenant). If one is not in the New Covenant, then he is not saved, because salvation is a covenant promised gift, given only to those who are in Christ.

Blessings!

Deuteronomy 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Water throughout the Bible represent the doctrines of God that fall or are inspired from above. Literal water "what the eyes see" has no redeeming value . That idea simply supports what some call sign gifts . Charismatics

Jesus informed us its a evil generation that does seek after them, (I did it it proves it) None was given, The last the sign of Jonah was fulfilled and the coming of the Son of man, Jesus

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Believing the word of God which works in us (a new creation) to both reveal his will and empower one to perform it to His good pleasure is the gospel of faith (believing) (Philippians 2:13-14 )

Getting wet with water evaporates .

The Greek tells us the word of God that works in us gives us the power to confess. It is not of our own self.

Promoting signs as lying wonders came out of Judaism.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

To the law above and its testimony below if mankind speaks not then thye have no light of the gospel on thier path .they have recive thier reward I did did it it propves it . No faith as it is writen (sola scriptura) needed just imagine .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[PloughBoy]

Why do you do it then?

That is a fleshy thing to say. You even admitted to not being Christ-like when it is EXACTLY what we ARE supposed to be!

The name 'Christian' is a good and mighty name.
It goes against your every premise.
It means I am follower of Christ no matter how much you try to go against it.
There is nothing derogatory about having the word ‘Christ’ in our name.
The scriptures show only good when leading up to and after the word ‘Christian’.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian.”

1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Many have no idea what the term “christLike” means but they only have a Imaginary idea! That the “Adversary” has painted a very “Strong Delusion “!

And Christianity has been chiseled in becoming only another “Religion” on The Walls, Mantel, in This Modern Day Religious Arena, is No more than a “Picturesque” view of “Old Testament” “Ancient” Israel, and Ancient Greece and The Display with consistency with The Roman GODs written within“Holy Scripture”! And The Coliseum, and The Greek Parthenon has taken up New residence, cloak in “Legerdemain”.

And A Very Large Host of “Insurgence” to make sure It Does Not Leave its Park place beside all the others Gods Hanging on The Wall.

The “Biblical Motif”. Shines Brighter as if It was The Brightest Star at Night, without a cloud in Sight!


But, I Will say, The GOD of The BIBLE is A Jealous GOD!

He Ain’t going Take it! And He Is “Puffing Smoke” Right Now! Whether “We Believe it or Not”,
“The Lion has Come Out of Thicket”

Do not, Get “The FATHER” mix up with “The SON” BUT, If You Do, It Will unravel!

While many are standing on The Corner, “Pitching Pennies”! Some of Us are Doing Extensive, work and “Medication in The Laws of The LORD” Day and Night for “Decades” not years But “Decades”. And we ain’t reading Cowboy Novels.
Because His Approach is Eminent.

“The Preeminent” takes Presence Over All!

I am not a “Liar” and Satan is Not going to make me become A “Liar”
I am Not “ChristLike” I know who I am!

I am a Sinner, I am Saint, I am A Child of The Living GOD, adopted into on His Family and “Ratified”, Sealed, before Time, Space, Heaven, Earth, Universe, Stars, Tte Sun, Angels, before Demons, Devils, before All Creation Had A Name!

and His Definitions, Satan, who is The Prince of This World, The Prince of The Institutions of This World That belong to Him. the one that The WORD of GOD created, the one, Apostle Paul Spoke about? I got The Ups on Him.

Yep, That Angel, The one That Came From Heaven and “Caught Him” wrap That Chain around, maybe His Neck and Threw him in That Pit and Lock The Door. And he sure was not “Michael”. Or any other “Arch Angel”, most likely a Weak Angel, you would be Surprised what “Humility does with “Pride”. Once it Put A Chain Around it’s Neck! Ask me why I Know.

Instead of bickering, like women in the old market place, we ought to be United in The Heavenly and Not The Religious of The Earths institutions. “touch not handle not”! the Unclean thing.

 

[PloughBoy]

Only thing one has to do, is Shake The Leaves and see what Falls out of The Trees!
By Their “Fruit” You will know Them.

And whatever you do, Do Not Be Entice to Eat from Their Fruit”

Blind Guides Following, one another with Stop up ears, Traveling earth.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

[Br. Bear]

how about a thread entitled,

can demons have a field day with 'professing' christans / believers?

anyone looking in at the way some members here are interacting could wonder about that and think... well, if that is the case... they can keep it!

out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks [or in this scenario, writes, types, etc]

please post in peace
or not at all


Bless you all ....><>

 

[God's Truth]

Many have no idea what the term “christLike” means but they only have a Imaginary idea! That the “Adversary” has painted a very “Strong Delusion “!

And Christianity has been chiseled in becoming only another “Religion” on The Walls, Mantel, in This Modern Day Religious Arena, is No more than a “Picturesque” view of “Old Testament” “Ancient” Israel, and Ancient Greece and The Display with consistency with The Roman GODs written within“Holy Scripture”! And The Coliseum, and The Greek Parthenon has taken up New residence, cloak in “Legerdemain”.

And A Very Large Host of “Insurgence” to make sure It Does Not Leave its Park place beside all the others Gods Hanging on The Wall.

The “Biblical Motif”. Shines Brighter as if It was The Brightest Star at Night, without a cloud in Sight!


But, I Will say, The GOD of The BIBLE is A Jealous GOD!

He Ain’t going Take it! And He Is “Puffing Smoke” Right Now! Whether “We Believe it or Not”,
“The Lion has Come Out of Thicket”

Not sure about anything you said there.

Do not, Get “The FATHER” mix up with “The SON” BUT, If You Do, It Will unravel!

That goes against the Word who says he only says and only does what the Father says and does and when you see him, Jesus, you can say, "I see the Father".

While many are standing on The Corner, “Pitching Pennies”! Some of Us are Doing Extensive, work and “Medication in The Laws of The LORD” Day and Night for “Decades” not years But “Decades”. And we ain’t reading Cowboy Novels.
Because His Approach is Eminent.

“The Preeminent” takes Presence Over All!

I am not a “Liar” and Satan is Not going to make me become A “Liar”

I am Not “ChristLike” I know who I am!

If you are not Christ like then you are saying you are not a child of God's.

I am a Sinner, I am Saint, I am A Child of The Living GOD, adopted into on His Family and “Ratified”, Sealed, before Time, Space, Heaven, Earth, Universe, Stars, Tte Sun, Angels, before Demons, Devils, before All Creation Had A Name!

No such thing as sinners in Christ. God adopts those who do what He says to do.

and His Definitions, Satan, who is The Prince of This World, The Prince of The Institutions of This World That belong to Him. the one that The WORD of GOD created, the one, Apostle Paul Spoke about? I got The Ups on Him.

Yep, That Angel, The one That Came From Heaven and “Caught Him” wrap That Chain around, maybe His Neck and Threw him in That Pit and Lock The Door. And he sure was not “Michael”. Or any other “Arch Angel”, most likely a Weak Angel, you would be Surprised what “Humility does with “Pride”. Once it Put A Chain Around it’s Neck! Ask me why I Know.

Instead of bickering, like women in the old market place, we ought to be United in The Heavenly and Not The Religious of The Earths institutions. “touch not handle not”! the Unclean thing.

This probably won't offend you, but the way you write and the things you say seem to me an example befitting of the thread title.
You demean women as if they are the only ones who sin and as if they are the example of sin.
You speak against being a Christian.
You say you are not Christ like.
You seem proud to being a sinner in Christ.
You speak in ways hard to understand and you use the spooky eye emoji too much.

 

[God's Truth]

Only thing one has to do, is Shake The Leaves and see what Falls out of The Trees!
By Their “Fruit” You will know Them.

And whatever you do, Do Not Be Entice to Eat from Their Fruit”

Blind Guides Following, one another with Stop up ears, Traveling earth.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

How are you going to do that if you keep going against Christians and against being Christ like?

 

[joestue]

how about a thread entitled,

can demons have a field day with 'professing' christans / believers?

anyone looking in at the way some members here are interacting could wonder about that and think... well, if that is the case... they can keep it!

out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks [or in this scenario, writes, types, etc]

please post in peace
or not at all


Bless you all ....><>

I wanted to post the question., Why is it that talking about demons . ... Brings out all the demons?!

But I figured nothing good would come of it ..

 

[PloughBoy]

How are you going to do that if you keep going against Christians and against being Christ like?

Oh, my day is coming, it is “ imperative“ “indicative” it will come to pass.

For He Cannot “Lie”

New American Standard Bible
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is…ff.

but we shall all be changed— 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

You might look like Him today but Tomorrow “In The Twinkling of an eye” Wait until you get a load of me on that day!

 

[joecoten]

I wanted to post the question., Why is it that talking about demons . ... Brings out all the demons?!

But I figured nothing good would come of it ..

Perhaps they want to stay hidden.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, my day is coming, it is “ imperative“ “indicative” it will come to pass.

For He Cannot “Lie”

New American Standard Bible
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is…ff.

but we shall all be changed— 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

You might look like Him today but Tomorrow “In The Twinkling of an eye” Wait until you get a load of me on that day!

I think that I shouldn't read any more of your posts.

 

[PloughBoy]

It is wrong to look at me with such a Distain because my Father which in Heaven has label me as one of “His Children” by a Declared Declaration Proclamation in Black and white and animals skins.

And I have refused to be label by a definition of another.concerning in whom I believe.

Why is there, such a great Hatred and Animosity concerning my belief, why must, one try to force feed me their collective beliefs. To be receive for mine own. I would never force feed or degrade another’s concerning one’s religious or “Theological Beliefs”

And by me, Being a declared “Child of The Living GOD” Born of His Spirit and wash in The Blood of HIS SON is not good enough. For such to cause great Stress among The Children of HIS Kingdom that is Not of This World but only passing through, mere Pilgrims who citizenship is of another Land.

I am nothing but a person;
A person who refused to take on another’s “Identity” that is not his own.

I do not have to wear my identity who I am. For I am what I am, I am a “Child of GOD” by “Spiritual Birth” Born of GOD. No Proof needed, it will be “Manifested Through All Eternity” That All will see. He Cannot Lie.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I didn't say he taught everything wrong but he did teach it wrong about God making the plan for salvation after He created humans.

The plan for salvation was made before God made anything:

1 Corinthians 2 6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.


He is also a tongue speaker but tongues have ceased, and it ceased when prophecies and new knowledge ceased


1 Corinthians 13:6 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.


As for the video, it shows that he made some false decisions and was a bad example for Christians in that instance anyway.

None of the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased....They will but not as long as we are on Earth. Somebody was right Your knowledge of the Word is wacked out. Are you sure you don't have cognition problems? LOL (Just a small joke...I often laugh at my own cognition problems too)