Can a Christian person have demons?

[Admon Mikha'el]

Indeed... but the Holy Spirit wouldn't give you wrong information. Would He (she, it)?

Rhema

PS: So just what does the Holy Spirit do? What is this "listening"? Can you describe the details of how you "listen to the Holy Spirit Himself" ??
PPS: You can PM, or just consider it rhetorical if you find such a question embarrassing.
PPPS: Garee wasn't talking about me, he misread your post.

I don't find it embarassing at all....The Holy Spirit speaks to us all....Its just a matter of shutting up and listening to Him. Many Christians are not willing to listen.
If you choose to listen He will always give you the truth, If you disagreee with Him, Its YOUR choice and your mistake.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I never went outside of our bible until the Lord led me to the book of Enoch. I was 55 and had been a disciple for some time. I guess I was well-grounded and mature enough for what He wanted to teach me about the Genesis 6 angels. People should try to keep to the canon. In my opinion.

The Book of Enoch was cannon until about 800 AD when the Romanist church had it removed....I understand Enoch put lie to their doctrines. Nowadays Christians will not read it because its not bible but will read Mesu Andrews, Lynn Austin, Sigmund Brouwer, Davis Bunn, Connilyn Cossette, Gene Edwards, Joyce Fox, or any one of hundreds more, none of whom are bible.....Seems rather odd to me.
Remember though....I did not mention the Book of Enoch

 

[Garee]

Well I'd rather listen to the Holy Spirit Himself Thank you sir.

Amen! He warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us.. . the antichrists . They turn things upside down as if the clay moved the hands as the will of the Potter.

The Did God really say you will die. ? . .doctrines of men

 

[Waggles]

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
1:8 And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?
1:10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
1:11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
1:12 And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

Satan - H7854 שָׂטָן śâṭân [saw-tawn] from H7853;
an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) the satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
BDB Definition: 1) adversary, one who withstands 1a) adversary (in general - personal or national)
2) superhuman adversary 2a) Satan (as noun proper)

Do we learn here that "the adversary" the satan is an individual spirit being? A fallen angel? Lucifer brought down and referred to in Isiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 ??
So what about all the other evil beings that possess humans, cause disease, pain and suffering in the world? More fallen angels?

 

[Waggles]

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third of the stars of the heaven, and he cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child.

Rev 12:7 And war was in the heaven: Michael and his angels going to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels;
12:8 and he prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in the heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who deceives of the whole inhabited earth; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

Did a third of the angels in heaven choose the wrong side and get evicted from the heavenly realm and banished to earth?
In scripture it is clear that there is more than one 'devil' or 'demon' (e.g. Legion) but the evil that they do is often ascribed to Satan - the prince of this world.

 

[joecoten]

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
1:8 And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?
1:10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
1:11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
1:12 And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

Satan - H7854 שָׂטָן śâṭân [saw-tawn] from H7853;
an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) the satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
BDB Definition: 1) adversary, one who withstands 1a) adversary (in general - personal or national)
2) superhuman adversary 2a) Satan (as noun proper)

Do we learn here that "the adversary" the satan is an individual spirit being? A fallen angel? Lucifer brought down and referred to in Isiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 ??
So what about all the other evil beings that possess humans, cause disease, pain and suffering in the world? More fallen angels?

The spirits of dead human/angelic hybrids, aka Nephilim, known as demons.

 

[joecoten]

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third of the stars of the heaven, and he cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child.

Rev 12:7 And war was in the heaven: Michael and his angels going to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels;
12:8 and he prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in the heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who deceives of the whole inhabited earth; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

Did a third of the angels in heaven choose the wrong side and get evicted from the heavenly realm and banished to earth?
In scripture it is clear that there is more than one 'devil' or 'demon' (e.g. Legion) but the evil that they do is often ascribed to Satan - the prince of this world.

Satan is the king of the fallen angels and demons.

 

[Garee]

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
1:8 And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?
1:10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
1:11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
1:12 And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

Satan - H7854 שָׂטָן śâṭân [saw-tawn] from H7853;
an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) the satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
BDB Definition: 1) adversary, one who withstands 1a) adversary (in general - personal or national)
2) superhuman adversary 2a) Satan (as noun proper)

Do we learn here that "the adversary" the satan is an individual spirit being? A fallen angel? Lucifer brought down and referred to in Isiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 ??
So what about all the other evil beings that possess humans, cause disease, pain and suffering in the world? More fallen angels?

The spirit of one anti-christ the same spirit of all lies as the accuser of the brethren accusing them day and night. came among the son of God . Satan is never called a son of God .

Simply Job seeking the will of God along with other saints the golden bowl prayer of all saints . Son of God refers to born again believers.

Satan the anti christ (singular) who works his lies in anti-christs , mankind. (many) As false apostles false prophets.

 

[joestue]

Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

someone questioned this on another forum a few days ago.

satan.. hasn't been walking since the "garden"

 

[Br. Bear]

@PloughBoy

Greetings,

I really do find this very disturbing....

Who are YOU to judge anybody. Are you God? Clean up your own back yard!

I'm getting really tired of your snobbish "I use the Greek" Rhema I don't care if you use carrot sticks. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher...I prefer to listen to HIM not you.

That’s. Right, God can speak in English Too, on The Day Pentecost and they all was gather together and each man heard Him speak in Their own Language! Where they was Born, “Whether they was born, in The “Congo”, along The Amazon River, New Zealand, Japan, Costa Rica, Austria, Turkey, Egypt, Czechoslovakia, Iran, Syria, and Timbuktu!
“Acts “2: 7-11 (ASV)

“Psalm 94” (ASV).
Pay attention, you stupid ones among the people;
And when will you understand, foolish ones?
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when i read elsewhere something quite the contrary....

1st. We have to establish what the English word “Disciple” means to you to me and all of the English speaking world, and the ancient Biblical time it was used. Because. There are different meaning of the Word, “Disciple”. Ok. Because me and you might not be on the same page on the definition in the Text in question that is presenting the word “Cannot be my Disciple “ is The Text in question.

Take note:
Luke 14:27
New American Standard Bible
Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Luke 14: 33
New King James Version
So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

New American Standard Bible
So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

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1….One must know the Biblical Definition of The Ancient biblical text word “Disciple” in the text it is presented.

2. One most know what the English language term “Cannot” definition is.

Luke 14 “ASV”
“25Now [q]large crowds were goingalong with Him, and He turned and said to them, 26“If anyone comesto Me and does not [r]hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.27Whoever does not carry his owncross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost, to see if he hasenough to complete it?29Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who are watching it will begin to ridicule him, 30saying, ‘This personbegan to build, and was not able to finish!’ 31Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strongenough with ten thousand men to face the one coming against him with twenty thousand?32Otherwise, while the other is stillfar away, he sends a delegationand requests terms of peace. 33So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his possessions.”

The word term you “cannot”, means you have Not The “Ability” to be my Disciple.

Example:
You cannot fly like a bird.

Because, you have Not “The Ability” to fly like a bird.
No matter how hard and fast you flap your arms you ain’t going to fly!

So do not jump, you cannot Fly!


Disciple:
In the ancient world, a disciple is a follower or adherent of a teacher. Discipleship is not the same as being a student in the modern sense. A disciple in the ancient biblical world actively imitated both the life and teaching of the master.

The term "disciple" represents the Koine Greek word mathētḗs (μαθητής), which generally means "one who engages in learning through instruction from another, pupil, apprentice" or in religious contexts such as the Bible, "one who is rather constantly associated with someone who has a pedagogical reputation or a ..

And The Definitions of The Word Disciple goes on and on and on Throughout The Secular and Religious world of Definitions, just pick you like, what tingle your ears.

It doesn’t matter anymore,

The Book of Judges adds Fuel to The “Biblical Motif”

“each man did that was wise or right in his own eyes”.

Sorry I could not explain myself in shorter terms.

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It would appear that you don't mind referrencing Greek when it suits you. Why then mock one who attempts to share some Greek?

Please explain yourself.


Bless you ....><>

 

[backNforth]

Certain angels rebelled, leaving their habitation and mating with earthly women, which resulted in rather large offspring i.e. the Gen. 6 giants. These "hybrids" then mated with everything in sight (animals, each other), which upset God enough that he executed the entire planet except for Noah's "genetically untainted" eight that entered the ark. "Demons" are the (wingless) disembodied spirits of the drowned Gen. 6 giants; they seek embodiment to act out their evil nature. These demons have been with us for thousands of years, have personalities, and are very intelligent. These are the creatures I deal with in deliverance ministry.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I am somewhat disappointed in your choice, sir....

I've come to call them critters for lack of a better word.

critters
Plural form of critter

krĭt′ər

noun​

1. A living creature.
2. A domestic animal, especially a cow, horse, or mule.
3. A person.

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1. a domesticated animal.

2. any creature.

[1815–20; variant of creature]
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US and Canadian a dialect word for creature
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critter (n.)​

1815, dialectal or humorous pronunciation of creature.

Entries linking to critter​

creature (n.)

c. 1300, "anything created," hence "a thing" in general, animate or not, but most commonly "a living being," from Old French creature "created being; all creation" (Modern French créature), from Late Latin creatura "a thing created; the creation; a creature," from creatus, past participle of Latin creare "to make, bring forth, produce, beget," from PIE root *ker- (2) "to grow."
Used of humans in limited cases, in contempt, commiseration, endearment. Meaning "person who owes his rise and fortune to another" is from 1580s. Meaning "anything that ministers to man's comforts" (1610s) is after I Timothy iv.4 ("Every creature of God is good") and led to the jocular use of creature for "whiskey, intoxicating drink" (1630s). Creature-comforts "material comforts" (food, clothing) is from 1650s. Related: Creatural; creaturely.
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but, thank you for sharing what you did.

That is a very valid question, as the word "demon" does not exist in the New Testament, nor was it used in the KJV Bible, though one can find the word in Young's Literal and the ASV, but not the RV, and only in the NT, not the OT.

The 'gloss' in the KJV for "demon" is "devil" and yet "devil" doesn't exist in the KJV OT... or the Young's Literal, the ASV or the RV Old Testament, for that matter.

The Greek word is διάβολος (diabolos G1228 noun) and is found in the LXX, but the KJV uses the word "Satan" or at times enemy (compare H7854).

I provide you with the LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for διάβολος.

From my personal experience, given the accretion of meaning to the word "demon," I've come to call them critters for lack of a better word.


And therein lies a full PhD thesis, innit?

I'm not sure I have the time to go through all 33 valid instances of the word διάβολος.

And having successfully cast out only one, I shan't consider myself an expert, but would refer to the ministry and works of Lester Sumrall.

Rhema

I am not convinced we have actually addressed the question in explaining what 'a demon' is.

Please feel free to elaborate...

and that invitation goes out to all


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Satan is never called a son of God .

agreed

 

[Rhema]

Nephilim would be more accurate, but they did have a human body at one time. There is a difference between demons and fallen angels. It also depends on what one believes is possible.

As @Br. Bear asked, might you have scripture to back up your personal interpretation?

Thanks,
Rhema

I never went outside of our bible until the Lord led me to the book of Enoch. I was 55 and had been a disciple for some time. I guess I was well-grounded and mature enough for what He wanted to teach me about the Genesis 6 angels. People should try to keep to the canon. In my opinion.

Ahh... okay. I guess that answers my question. Yet you didn't keep to the canon. Have you done any study as to the development of the canon of the New Testament? Which canon should we "keep" to?

 

[Rhema]

I don't find it embarassing at all....The Holy Spirit speaks to us all....Its just a matter of shutting up and listening to Him. Many Christians are not willing to listen.
If you choose to listen He will always give you the truth, If you disagreee with Him, Its YOUR choice and your mistake.

Apparently you weren't listening. I was asking HOW.

How exactly does the Holy Spirit "speak"? What is the manner by which you "listen"? Do you hear a voice? Is it that "thoughts" just come to mind? Might you enter a trance and have visions? Or do automatic writing? (Most likely you'll just have a knee-jerk emotional reaction when I'm asking serious question. but... whatever.)

Are you unable to explain the experience you have when the HS speaks and you listen?

Might you be hearing demons instead? (Just trying to work the OP in here. )

Rhema

If you choose to listen He will always give you the truth,

Indeed, which is why I think you haven't been listening to him.

The Holy Spirit speaks to us all..

Everybody says this, but then why does everybody disagree? What makes you "special" ??

 

[Rhema]

The Book of Enoch was cannon until about 800 AD when the Romanist church had it removed...

ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

If not, then please provide source proof.

Thank you,
Rhema

Here's mine. Do you need more?

Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Remember though....I did not mention the Book of Enoch

Just some mystery history book you're ashamed of ??

Like... what ??

 

[Rhema]

Satan - the prince of this world.

Why do you call Satan the prince of this world? (This has always puzzled me.)

Princes (by whatever measure) have authority.

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(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The spirits of dead human/angelic hybrids, aka Nephilim, known as demons.

(Is this like a weird Canadian thing?)
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[Rhema]

Greetings,

I am somewhat disappointed in your choice, sir....

ME ???

After some of the nonsense I've read here?

As mentioned, the term is a personal affectation because of all the nonsense accreted to the word "demon" or even "devil" or "Satan." These words all conjure up fantasy nonsense from movies and Catholic fiction (e.g. Dante's Inferno).

When I speak privately with people, I use the word "critter." The context of the conversation makes it quite clear that I don't mean barnyard animals, and the use of "critter" makes it quite clear that I also don't mean all the Science Fiction Horror BS either.

I've already posted my definition.

noun​

1. A living creature.

These things are living. And sentient. I've encountered them.

And at the risk of sounding combative (I'm not)... have you?

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Br. Bear]

@Rhema

Greetings, please don't take any personal offense. It was my sincere desire that you would humor me somewhat while at the same time understanding that a methodology of meticulous standards ought also be exercised in the layman's language if one is to comprehend that which one hears/reads.
As you well know, all too many mis-haps are and do and have and will be seen/heard in interpretations and the words used do not always correctly portray the context or clarity one might want to paint their picture with.
It then becomes art and no longer truth. (thought you might like that thought)

And at the risk of sounding combative (I'm not)... have you?

yea and 'they appear' not as first imagined.

One thing we do know is that lies are not life and whispers are not always worth inviting in.

Have you considered the 'use' of adversary 'in the scheme of things' ?

How is our thinking shaped?

thank you for your gentle reply.


Bless you ....><>