Can a Christian person have demons?
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@Admon Mikha'el
Greetings,
regarding @Rhema s post:
I do think he is being genuine here... not having a go at you.
It is a serious question that perhaps we all should sincerely consider and prayerfully seek the Lord about.
There is far too much division all over the world and has been since way before our time and all claiming to be 'hearing from God'
Anyway, Grace and Peace in Christ to you and with you
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
regarding @Rhema s post:
Apparently you weren't listening. I was asking HOW.
How exactly does the Holy Spirit "speak"? What is the manner by which you "listen"? Do you hear a voice? Is it that "thoughts" just come to mind? Might you enter a trance and have visions? Or do automatic writing? (Most likely you'll just have a knee-jerk emotional reaction when I'm asking serious question. but... whatever.)
Are you unable to explain the experience you have when the HS speaks and you listen?
Might you be hearing demons instead? (Just trying to work the OP in here.)
Rhema
Indeed, which is why I think you haven't been listening to him.
Everybody says this, but then why does everybody disagree? What makes you "special" ??
I do think he is being genuine here... not having a go at you.
It is a serious question that perhaps we all should sincerely consider and prayerfully seek the Lord about.
There is far too much division all over the world and has been since way before our time and all claiming to be 'hearing from God'
Anyway, Grace and Peace in Christ to you and with you
Bless you ....><>
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As I said, depending upon what one believes. And since I doubt that you are a repository of all truth...why the insults? I'm not asking you to accept what I say. Show a little humility! And besides...(Is this like a weird Canadian thing?)
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" 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." - Ephesians 4:2-6
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This man doth not cast out demons but by Beelzebul, prince of the demons.
John 12:31 Now is a judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast [out] outside.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto myself.
Ephesians 2:2 wherein ye once walked according to the age of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
2:3 among whom we also all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:
2Cor 4:3 And if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in the perishing:
4 in whom the god of this age, hath blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, that the enlightenment of the gospel of the glory of the Christ, who is God’s image, should not dawn upon them.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spirituals of the wickedness in the heavenlies.
John 12:31 Now is a judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast [out] outside.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto myself.
Ephesians 2:2 wherein ye once walked according to the age of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
2:3 among whom we also all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:
2Cor 4:3 And if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in the perishing:
4 in whom the god of this age, hath blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, that the enlightenment of the gospel of the glory of the Christ, who is God’s image, should not dawn upon them.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For our wrestling is not against blood and flesh, but against the principalities, against the authorities, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spirituals of the wickedness in the heavenlies.
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Rhema All I know is that He speaks and I listen....Apparently you weren't listening. I was asking HOW.
How exactly does the Holy Spirit "speak"? What is the manner by which you "listen"? Do you hear a voice? Is it that "thoughts" just come to mind? Might you enter a trance and have visions? Or do automatic writing? (Most likely you'll just have a knee-jerk emotional reaction when I'm asking serious question. but... whatever.)
Are you unable to explain the experience you have when the HS speaks and you listen?
Might you be hearing demons instead? (Just trying to work the OP in here.
Rhema
Indeed, which is why I think you haven't been listening to him.
Everybody says this, but then why does everybody disagree? What makes you "special" ??
Its possible I misunderstand at times but if I realize I don't understand, I ask Him to explain....He is a wonderful teacher and Father. If you think I got it wrong, Ok....Tell HIM about it...Or check your own opinions
Why does everybody disagree? Probably because they don't shut up long enough to listen. What makes me so special....Oh My! Rhema....Read what His Word says about you! He says the same about me!
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I do not claim to be special in any way that anybody else is not....People NEED to read the Word simply to see what God says about them.....We are all uniquely special in Gods eyes...He does speak to each of us, but we each NEED to learn to listen!
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Sorry, I have engage with, “Admon”. I lot, he means no harm, but I sense of Cheer, as and good writer would write, I could point out in scripture coming from the mouth of GOD, which indicates there is no harm, but I would rather smile and cheer, than fight and proceed with any kind of animosity, and flown. For The. Child of The Living GOD must live a continue embracing of his or her “Via Dororosa”. And to say something even “Humanistic” even if it makes one Chuckle, for a moment to aid another to make that person smile, can ease that person pain for a moment like backing off “The Tourniquet” off of a wounded leg.
Some of us may have a “Spiritual Gift” that The human mind “Cannot” perceive and going on behind the scene. And you know that.
So it is in the flesh so it is in The “Spirit”If one does not “Forsake” all, Jesus said They “Cannot Be My Disciple”
The word in context means “They Have Not The “Ability” to be my disciple. Not meaning a person is not saved by grace and truly a real child of The Living GOD, but some “Cannot” be a “True Disciple of Christ” because that Person has not “Forsaken” all.
We meant no harm, I Love everybody white black orange, jungle native, trans, gay, cross dresser, Arab, Russia, Ukrainian, Chaldeans, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Lebanese, Jews, Jehovah witnesses, I live with these people, they know me. My children grow up together with these nations in my Township. My works Testifies of My Faith, and not as a Christian but A “Child of The Living GOD who has “Forsaken” all. And not by choice but Commission.
And not for The Display for The Display of “ humanity“ but we as HIS Children is To Please GOD, and you know this, we must forsake all. No favoritism, to no one. But most Treat everyone The Same.
And in our Humanity, is their Great Harm To make one Chuckle, within The Sea of Pain.
For all Creation, lies in pain, with no relief because it is in subject to Vanity.
For there is such a word as Chuckle but maybe not a Emotion sign. But Context and a little grace can go a long way, For Evil and Sad-ness will only increase for so it has been design by He who is “Sovereign “ over all.
But we must never I say never let Our pain turn into “Bitterness” for Bitterness spreads like a unchecked “Pandemic” and will destroy and infect many so proclaim “The WORD of GOD”
We mean no harm, in our pain let us find a little Chuckle instead of “Bitterness” in us all! Because as we continue to grow, you cannot escape this, for it is Imperative that this be Accomplish.
New American Standard Bible
Because in much wisdom there is much grief; and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.”
Just because we “Chuckle” does not mean we who are The True Children of GOD are Not In Pain,,by The Cross we Bear, trapped in human vessels.
Let us all lighten up, and Chuckle a little within our pain. In which we all share.
New American Standard Bible
But if you [continue to] bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.”
And the world cannot understand this, The rewards we will receive on our “Coronation Day”!
King James Bible
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
American Standard Version
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, Jehovah will be a light unto me.
Berean Study Bible
Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will arise; though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light.”
The world does not know The Eternal Nuggets, hidden in The BOOK, The World Thinks That The World can be “Paradise” with a little work and good thoughts can be Accomplish.
But we know better This World was Design for or in “Futility” by “GOD”
The world does not understand how our Eternal Treasures are Obtain, but if they knew. They would treat you so kindly, and in return your treasures in heaven would not be That Great!
New American Standard Bible
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
And do you remember that old “Gospel Spiritual Song”
“you CanTalk about me as Much as You Please, Because The Angels in Heaven Done Sign my Name”!
Those are The Days, of great spiritual songs we song together, no entertainment about it.
“Life is Like Mountain RailRoad” That Engineer got His Hand On The Throttle! So watch the curves, and The Thrills”
Let our Peace be in Christ and Not coming from The World. For in This World. Is only Trials and Tribulations. And as we grow more sad-ness and Grief it will produce, That is also why as you already know “The Parakletos” have to walk beside us and hold our hands and Bear us up in The Pain, If he didn’t, we cannot exist in The Walk of our own “Via Dolorosa”. That we may Share in The Fellowship of His Suffering.
Thank you for lending me your ear.
@PloughBoy
Greetings,
thank you for taking the time to reply.
may we all remember this, especially when we need to.
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
thank you for taking the time to reply.
Sorry, I have engage with, “Admon”. I lot, he means no harm, but I sense of Cheer, as and good writer would write, I could point out in scripture coming from the mouth of GOD, which indicates there is no harm, but I would rather smile and cheer, than fight and proceed with any kind of animosity, and flown. For The. Child of The Living GOD must live a continue embracing of his or her “Via Dororosa”. And to say something even “Humanistic” even if it makes one Chuckle, for a moment to aid another to make that person smile, can ease that person pain for a moment like backing off “The Tourniquet” off of a wounded leg.
Some of us may have a “Spiritual Gift” that The human mind “Cannot” perceive and going on behind the scene. And you know that.
If one does not “Forsake” all, Jesus said They “Cannot Be My Disciple”
The word in context means “They Have Not The “Ability” to be my disciple. Not meaning a person is not saved by grace and truly a real child of The Living GOD, but some “Cannot” be a “True Disciple of Christ” because that Person has not “Forsaken” all.
We meant no harm, I Love everybody white black orange, jungle native, trans, gay, cross dresser, Arab, Russia, Ukrainian, Chaldeans, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Lebanese, Jews, Jehovah witnesses, I live with these people, they know me. My children grow up together with these nations in my Township. My works Testifies of My Faith, and not as a Christian but A “Child of The Living GOD who has “Forsaken” all. And not by choice but Commission.
And not for The Display for The Display of “ humanity“ but we as HIS Children is To Please GOD, and you know this, we must forsake all. No favoritism, to no one. But most Treat everyone The Same.
And in our Humanity, is their Great Harm To make one Chuckle, within The Sea of Pain.
For all Creation, lies in pain, with no relief because it is in subject to Vanity.
For there is such a word as Chuckle but maybe not a Emotion sign. But Context and a little grace can go a long way, For Evil and Sad-ness will only increase for so it has been design by He who is “Sovereign “ over all.
But we must never I say never let Our pain turn into “Bitterness” for Bitterness spreads like a unchecked “Pandemic” and will destroy and infect many so proclaim “The WORD of GOD”
We mean no harm, in our pain let us find a little Chuckle instead of “Bitterness” in us all! Because as we continue to grow, you cannot escape this, for it is Imperative that this be Accomplish.
New American Standard Bible
Because in much wisdom there is much grief; and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.”
Just because we “Chuckle” does not mean we who are The True Children of GOD are Not In Pain,,by The Cross we Bear, trapped in human vessels.
Let us all lighten up, and Chuckle a little within our pain. In which we all share.
New American Standard Bible
But if you [continue to] bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.”
And the world cannot understand this, The rewards we will receive on our “Coronation Day”!
King James Bible
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
American Standard Version
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, Jehovah will be a light unto me.
Berean Study Bible
Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will arise; though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light.”
The world does not know The Eternal Nuggets, hidden in The BOOK, The World Thinks That The World can be “Paradise” with a little work and good thoughts can be Accomplish.
But we know better This World was Design for or in “Futility” by “GOD”
The world does not understand how our Eternal Treasures are Obtain, but if they knew. They would treat you so kindly, and in return your treasures in heaven would not be That Great!
New American Standard Bible
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
And do you remember that old “Gospel Spiritual Song”
“you CanTalk about me as Much as You Please, Because The Angels in Heaven Done Sign my Name”!
Those are The Days, of great spiritual songs we song together, no entertainment about it.
“Life is Like Mountain RailRoad” That Engineer got His Hand On The Throttle! So watch the curves, and The Thrills”
Let our Peace be in Christ and Not coming from The World. For in This World. Is only Trials and Tribulations. And as we grow more sad-ness and Grief it will produce, That is also why as you already know “The Parakletos” have to walk beside us and hold our hands and Bear us up in The Pain, If he didn’t, we cannot exist in The Walk of our own “Via Dolorosa”. That we may Share in The Fellowship of His Suffering.
Thank you for lending me your ear.
may we all remember this, especially when we need to.
Bless you ....><>
It begins with when men and ends with men of renown. the word or refence to men is over 14 times . Nothing about evil giants a new creation No third party. Christ is speaking to sons of God believers.
Genesis 6:1-8 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Nephilim meaning the renown (used 9 times in the Old Testament) They are giants of the of faith of Christ labor of love that worked in them like little David moved with a power little GPS stone slew the renown of the enemy.
Goliath looked like a grasshopper to little David, God’s renown. Like many words the father of lies revels himself as counterfeiter turns the things of God upside down as if inspired from earth bound in heaven .Oral traditons of men . The word Nephilim great faith or power working in a person can be used in two ways.One to bless God. The other a curse that desires to bless the god of this world . Ssssssss : Did God really say? Look at my beauty and live forever.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Lying spirits are never called sons of God.Tthe ceremonial second born again generation of Christ not Adam the first generation or beginning. ..
Angels as sons of God called apostles (sent of God) some were being unevenly yoked with unbelievers (no faith in God not seen revealed through his writen loving law ..
Daughters of men or sons of men (mankind) those not born of God the same do not be unevenly yoked ceremonial warning as today something flood water cannot wash away.
The preservation of the spiritual seed “Christ” The same seed Onan the second born spilled out, his obligation to the Holy Spirit of the second born ceremonial seed “Christ”. . . who works in the believers yoked with his loving power to do His good will we can rest in . The same kind of parables with Cain the first born and Abel the second born. Enos is to restore the ceremonial law . You could say just like the flood .
Same with Jacob the second born with Esaul who sold his birth rite seeing no value in the unseen things of God for a cup of hairy goat soup, not like the Campbells but like that Cain who sold his birth rite for a little silence of the gospel buried him under out of sight out of mind the pagan foundation. .” I am not my brother keeper find him your own self.”
Genesis 4 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
The men yoked with Christ might see the end of the matter removing the shadow of the ceremonial law (Do not be unevenly yoked ) the seed (Christ) was fulfilied at the birth of the Son of man Jesus , no need for a further genealogy the shadow was lifted
Mathew1: 1-4 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
Zara “blooming flower.”
Geneis 4: 25-26 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Genisis 38:27-30 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
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Hehe... no... not the nomenclature. Rather, this idea of demons being disembodied spirits of the Nephilim:
@Br. Bear the two people positing this interpretation are both from Canada. It certainly hasn't seeped into the North East of the USA. Have you heard of this idea across the pond?
I've been told that Canadians don't get American humor. I guess it's true. My post was an ironic (not insulting) observation that the two people positing this interpretation were both from Canada, that's all. Egads... Has Trudeau made y'all into such touchy sensitive snowflakes? I thought Canadians couldn't be ruffled?
So again, is this a Canadian thing? From any special denomination in Canada? Or had you both (@Admon Mikha'el) arrived at this interpretation independently? Or are you friends from the same church? What's the deal?
Thanks,
Rhema
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I can't even comprehend how you came up with this.
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3
I wonder why God had all the Nephilim killed?
Why are the women here in Gen 6:2; called "daughter of men". Could they not be daughters of God?
..and yet Joshua and Gideon looked like grasshoppers to the inhabitants of Jericho.
Numb 13:33; "There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."
The parenthesis above aren't mine. I copied this directly from the NASB, exactly as you see the verse above.
Numb 13:28; "Nevertheless, the people who live in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large; and moreover, we saw the descendants of Anak there.
Josh 15:14; Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak: Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the children of Anak.
Now why would Joshua drive out the "sons of God" if they were believers?
Deut 1:28; 'Where can we go up? Our brethren have made our hearts melt, saying, "The people are bigger and taller than we; the cities are large and fortified to heaven. And besides, we saw the sons of the Anakim there."'
Deut 2:21; a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim, but the LORD destroyed them before them. And they dispossessed them and settled in their place,
Josh 11:21; Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.
Josh 11:22; There were no Anakim left in the land of the sons of Israel; only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod some remained.
Now why would God have Joshua kill all the "sons of God" (believers as you say)? It makes a lot more sense that He had them kill giants.
2Sam 21:16; Then Ishbi-benob, who was among the descendants of the giant, the weight of whose spear was three hundred shekels of bronze in weight, was girded with a new sword, and he intended to kill David.
2Sam 21:18; Now it came about after this that there was war again with the Philistines at Gob; then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was among the descendants of the giant.
2Sam 21:20; There was war at Gath again, where there was a man of great stature who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also had been born to the giant.
2Sam 21:22; These four were born to the giant in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.
David killed giants, giants tried to kill David. These don't sound like Godly "sons of God" to me.
Job 1:6; Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7; The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
Is Satan a "man of God" (believer) or is he an angel?
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When reproof is due.
If reproof is not due, then you just look like a touchy snowflake, upset about motes.
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Ahh... WEAPONIZED scripture. (Luv it.)
Y'all hurl this at each other back and forth so many times it loses all meaning, save the proverbial 6:21.
Thanks,
Rhema
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You're joking? Lol My bad. I'm used to people having little to no sense of humor.
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These debates about whether or not Genesis 6 talks about angels interbreeding with humans can go on endlessly. Whether or not the correct word is giant. Whether demons are dead Nephilim or fallen angels. I've done intensive research into this subject. I've also a lifetime of experience.
I've made my conclusions. I've given my views. It is up to each one of us to decide what we believe on this subject. It's good when we can agree, and it is also good when we can agree to disagree...without being disagreeable about it. Shalom.
I've made my conclusions. I've given my views. It is up to each one of us to decide what we believe on this subject. It's good when we can agree, and it is also good when we can agree to disagree...without being disagreeable about it. Shalom.
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I guess this was for me, though it was posted as a general statement.
When did the name Beelzeboul mean Satan? When did that happen?
Well... if a prince was cast out, then he ain't no prince no more. Just some pathetic looser. Eh?
Yeah... this one needs a bit more consideration, since this reference is post Resurrection.
Why didn't Paul write "Satan" ?? After all, he used the word 10 times in his epistles, and THREE times in 2nd Corinthians. Were Paul to have meant Satan, here, he would have written Satan. But he didn't. Why? Because Paul wasn't referring to Satan. So who was the god of that age? Speak with any Roman and ask, "Who was the god of the underworld?" (Pluto) And, "Who is the god of the heavens?" (Uranus.) So to the Roman gentile, who would be the "god of the age/world"? The Emperor. EVERY Roman would tell you the Emperor was god. And truly, that god demanded ALL his citizens (save Jews) do obeisance to him as god. But if Paul wrote "the Emperor hath blinded the thoughts..." he would have been hunted down and executed. As it stood, while everybody knew what Paul meant (back then), there was just enough waggle room to let him get away with it.
The bottom line, though is:
(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
We either believe this or we don't.
Thanks,
Rhema
