Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[Br. Bear]

 

[Bill]

Bill I know you as a loving man, but to say you cant vote against abortions, that you can vote against homosexuality is wrong and is not standing up for the word of God. Chad is not talking about the sinner, he talking about the parties mind set there stance on these biblical views.




Chad was not judging anyone he was using good judgment on what parties stand for from a biblical point of view




Amen Brother !!

I was not pointing fingers, nor stating chad was making any judgements.

As it is the same with all here, ya sure we may get under eachothers skin at times, but this is good. As we all come here in brotherly love.

Not even Paul and Peter always see eye to eye. But was always resolved in brotherly love in Jesus.

As for my words on liberals versus christians . Certainly the ideoligies can condemn or raise up a person before God. But the vote as i read it was about those who are liberal versus those who are Christian. Not so much the ideologies of one versus another.

In my defense, lol. I may have misread the articles direction.

As you know, i rarely say where the scripture i quote comes from. But for this. What came to mind is that we are Stewards of God.

1 Corin 4.1,2 &5
People must think of us as Christ's servants, stewards entrusted with the mysteries of God. What is expected of stewards is that each one should be found worthy of his trust.
There must be no passing of premature judgement.

 

[Bill]

:smile: Actually i said that we Christians we should not promote any politics..including Antichrist.
But the carnal Christians that believe "in a better world" possibly they will been deceived .because Antichrist will not come as a "devil" but as a Peace maker! The bible say "be subject to the authorities" and that means we dont fight anyone..
From the other iste the bible speak of the "dark rulers" of that world and we are to be not comforted to them. Then there is a balance so that not be disobedient and also not violate God`s word.
(that is why i not help or promote any political movement, because ii dont want to participate their sins, neither fight the existent authority ,and also to dont loose my precious time. We know that the world will pass away and that every year things will go worst, till the totally sinful generation is revealed. We can not change the things God already prophesied. We are to do the will of God while living in this sinful generation.Not b;asphemy enyone, pray for them and be holy and separate from all worldly ways) Amen.

I just want to apologize on one thing.

I do know where your heart is. It is with God and in his love.

I should have separated my two thoughts more. And expanded where your heart is.

Sincerely, bill

 

[Bill]

Thank you :smile:
First i dont believe that America was Christian..No! even Trump pray to God ,but is he a Christian? 2nd time marriage etc... :grin:
Now look, We must keep the "gold line". From one side we have tro respect "the king" pay our taxes etc. And from the other to dont be comforted to that world.
We know that all Authorities are given by God, so one who is not subject to them ,he is actually against God who gave those authorities!
The other side is, when the law violence the Gospel you must choose to obey God and not men. So iF they tell you to marry a gay couple or to marry a divorced woman etc. you must choose to like to God and not obey that "law" .
Υes we know that authorities are given by God ,but we also know that the ruler and god of that world is the "ruler of darkness" and while we are obedient to the law we are not to be conformed with the world, neither participate on their dark dead works.

(keep in mind that today for 1st time the Law is not any more influenced (like you said) from the law of God. So today we have "law" of the unlawfulness. All that so us that they prepare the way for the Wicked one to come! and believe me,he will come as a peace maker,human-rights protector etc. )

I can tell you plainly, Trump walks with God.

The Lord told me 2 yrs before Trump entered, that He (God) was sending His man to be Presedent.

During the primaries, the Lord told me Trump would win. I asked about Ted Cruise, and the Lord told me "I have rejected him".

As it was the Lord had put into Trumps heart to run for President.

During the election i was in prayer. The Lord sent me to Donald Trump with these words, "Do not despare, the Lord is with you".

Just before this, it looked like Hillary was going to run away with it. But imediately after telling Trump the message, the votes swung the other way.

I spoke to Donald Trump some after that, about God standing with him and other things.

The President knows his life may be taken in office. But he will fight tooth and nail for this country.

That is all i can tell you on this subject

Sincerely, bill

 

[Bill]

Greetings @Dave M @Chad @Bill

regarding the comments of not judging, I do not think Bill was pointing a finger at Chad about such but expressing the need for us people, especially Christian people, to live our lives not judging, nor getting caught up in the trend or movement of judging others, and to my tiny mind, that means the lost, not the Political parties and their representatives. They will party whether we want to dance or not but we must be careful to not forget that we should not be throwing stones nor judging, as individuals and even as a group, known as Churches or the Body, ESPECIALLY if we perchance have somewhat of a log in our own eyes, meaning, are we yet perfect and if not, by what right can we judge another and if we are perfect, we won't anyway, lest we loose our perfection.

Let the peace of God rule in your hearts


Bless you ....><>

Thank you, beautifully written. If only i had your eloquence with words.

Peace Brother

 

[Bill]

Bill I know you as a loving man, but to say you cant vote against abortions, that you can vote against homosexuality is wrong and is not standing up for the word of God. Chad is not talking about the sinner, he talking about the parties mind set there stance on these biblical views.




Chad was not judging anyone he was using good judgment on what parties stand for from a biblical point of view




Amen Brother !!

Thank you my brother

 

[pet]

I can tell you plainly, Trump walks with God.

The Lord told me 2 yrs before Trump entered, that He (God) was sending His man to be Presedent.

During the primaries, the Lord told me Trump would win. I asked about Ted Cruise, and the Lord told me "I have rejected him".

As it was the Lord had put into Trumps heart to run for President.

During the election i was in prayer. The Lord sent me to Donald Trump with these words, "Do not despare, the Lord is with you".

Just before this, it looked like Hillary was going to run away with it. But imediately after telling Trump the message, the votes swung the other way.

I spoke to Donald Trump some after that, about God standing with him and other things.

The President knows his life may be taken in office. But he will fight tooth and nail for this country.

That is all i can tell you on this subject

Sincerely, bill

WOW imagine what people will do when Antichrist coming.... "God told me send his "anointed" to bring Peace all over the earth" and will be Antichrist.
Friend. God can use a president to do his will, yes! BUT that dont means they are saved. the y are just used.
(Trump is divorced and marries again. ...look their works ,dont trust dreams and feelings.)

 

[Bill]

WOW imagine what people will do when Antichrist coming.... "God told me send his "anointed" to bring Peace all over the earth" and will be Antichrist.
Friend. God can use a president to do his will, yes! BUT that dont means they are saved. the y are just used.
(Trump is divorced and marries again. ...look their works ,dont trust dreams and feelings.)

It is ok brother, you dont know me,

 

[Bill]

WOW imagine what people will do when Antichrist coming.... "God told me send his "anointed" to bring Peace all over the earth" and will be Antichrist.
Friend. God can use a president to do his will, yes! BUT that dont means they are saved. the y are just used.
(Trump is divorced and marries again. ...look their works ,dont trust dreams and feelings.)

You forget about Nebuchadnezzar

 

[pet]

You forget about Nebuchadnezzar

Yes that os what i wrote. God can use any President ,King etc. But that does not mean they are saved
Nebuchadnezzar were not saved he was just used by God to judge His people and other nation and then came his time too...

 

[Bill]

Yes that os what i wrote. God can use any President ,King etc. But that does not mean they are saved :smile:
Nebuchadnezzar were not saved :smile: he was just used by God to judge His people and other nation and then came his time too...

How do you know he isnt in heaven. You cant prove it. But there is scripture in the New Testament that testifies he can be.

This thinking , that you share, is a common problem amoung many Christians. And im not blaming you, as it stems all the way back to limited and in some cases false teaching in the seminaries.

This teaching, makes Christians arrogant, self righteous. The teaching is plainly, 'we know it all' .
We say, the bible is the word of God, and it is. And the Word of God is Jesus.

What does it mean to be saved. Recieving Jesus into your heart.

Taking one page of scripture, even 1 word. And taking that 1 word into your heart. You have recieved the Word of God, who is Jesus.

Read the Gospel of John 1.1

In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You might say "this is crazy, 1 word" but some accept the World was made in 7 days.

I will never say, i know it all. That would be crazy. Knowing God, i know anything is possible.

 

[Hekuran]

As for my words on liberals versus christians . Certainly the ideoligies can condemn or raise up a person before God. But the vote as i read it was about those who are liberal versus those who are Christian.

Can you bear in mind that there are people, such as me, who are Christian and identity much more strongly with liberal politics than with conservative. Liberal and Christian are not opposites.

 

[Quantrill]

Thank you :smile:
First i dont believe that America was Christian..No! even Trump pray to God ,but is he a Christian? 2nd time marriage etc... :grin:
Now look, We must keep the "gold line". From one side we have tro respect "the king" pay our taxes etc. And from the other to dont be comforted to that world.
We know that all Authorities are given by God, so one who is not subject to them ,he is actually against God who gave those authorities!
The other side is, when the law violence the Gospel you must choose to obey God and not men. So iF they tell you to marry a gay couple or to marry a divorced woman etc. you must choose to like to God and not obey that "law" .
Υes we know that authorities are given by God ,but we also know that the ruler and god of that world is the "ruler of darkness" and while we are obedient to the law we are not to be conformed with the world, neither participate on their dark dead works.

(keep in mind that today for 1st time the Law is not any more influenced (like you said) from the law of God. So today we have "law" of the unlawfulness. All that so us that they prepare the way for the Wicked one to come! and believe me,he will come as a peace maker,human-rights protector etc. )

Why don't you believe that America was established by God as a Christian country? I am not talking about now with Trump as the President. I am talking about America when it was first beginning as a nation of people.

When you choose to obey God instead of the government of man, you are making a political statement.

Yes, today the laws of the land have been eroded and are not Christian. It wasn't that way before. And yet you act like we as Christians should not take any political interest in preserving the laws that were before and benefited the Christian. We should be too spiritual and look to God only while the world goes about changing our laws for satan's benefit. What pray tell is Christian about that? It is more in line with cowardice.

If Christians had a spine before and fought against any LGBT acceptance, perhaps we wouldn't have to suffer the persecutions that are going to come up.

So, in my view, you err in believing the U.S. was not created by God as a Christian country. Then you err in your pacifism in saying that all we should do is die as martyrs for God. God has this certain tendency where when He gives man a responsibility, He expects man to be responsible in carrying it out. Just like the death penalty. God is the One who gave it to man to carry out. (Gen. 9:6) But, so many bleeding hearts, and Christian bleeding hearts crying for the love of God and not vengeance, refuse to support it and say that is God's business. But no. God says, I gave it to you. If you don't want to carry it out, don't hand it back to Me. You now get to live with the consequences.

So God gives a Christian nation to a people. And the people then let it go back to hell because they just don't want to interfere in God's business. They don't want to be seen as political. Let God take care of it.

Quantrill

 

[Bill]

There are two primary rules that must be followed to be a Child of the Most High. 1 God must be in your heart and 2 Love your neighbor as yourself.

Follow these and i will see you in Heaven when i return there.

 

[Dave M]

Heaven when i return there.

when was the last time you were in heaven?

 

[Quantrill]

There are two primary rules that must be followed to be a Child of the Most High. 1 God must be in your heart and 2 Love your neighbor as yourself.

Follow these and i will see you in Heaven when i return there.

Really? I thought it was faith in Jesus Christ that was required to be born-again.

I guess that is not as appealing as 'love your neighbor as yourself'. So why is not the new-birth one of your 'primary rules'? Seems to be primary with God.

Quantrill

 

[Bill]

Really? I thought it was faith in Jesus Christ that was required to be born-again.

I guess that is not as appealing as 'love your neighbor as yourself'. So why is not the new-birth one of your 'primary rules'? Seems to be primary with God.

Quantrill

Faith , hope and love, and the greatest of these is Love

To be born again, requires Jesus to be in your heart, faith is only the beginning.

You still have to recieve Jesus in your heart , " No one can go to the Father, but through me"

 

[Bill]

when was the last time you were in heaven?

Every time God is with me, im in Heaven.

Where your heart is, there your treasure will be too

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[Br. Bear]

Faith , hope and love, and the greatest of these is Love

To be born again, requires Jesus to be in your heart, faith is only the beginning.

You still have to recieve Jesus in your heart , " No one can go to the Father, but through me"

Greetings Bill,

I see it a bit like this,

to enter in you must take two steps [unless a myriad of other things happen, like falling or being thrown or hopping , etc.
That means that our entering in, which we might liken to being born again, begins with the first step, which is, the Love the Lord your God with everything you are [my crude paraphrase] which we [anyone] can only do IF we believe first in Him and His Son.
The next step is to love one another. The two steps are part of the one entering by the one soul/person.
And of course, unless you like standing in doorways, it is usually best to keep moving.... ie, walk in love.

Try it, stand at a door and see if this is true. You have to take one step first but that will not get you fully in, only partly, with one foot in the room and one without, or, one foot in the Heavenly and on in the world, which is not a good place to park oneself!


I recently saw a short ten word testimony that spoke volumes to me:

God is my Father because I have received His Son

The Father says, listen to Him and do as He says, for in I am well pleased with Him, don't forget that [my crude paraphrase of several scriptures]

We all are no better than anyone else according to the Bible, because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and because we now have this hope, does that make us so much better than all they who do not? If that is our attitude we have grievously missed the mark.
What we do have is a new understanding and knowledge of the love of God as demonstrated by His beloved Son, toward all, in that while we were yet sinners, like all who still are, Christ gave Him self and died for us, that we might have life, true life and eternal, and for that reason we ought to be so grateful that we want to share the same message of hope that we first received with all who still don't, who like us before we heard and believed will perish, which is not God's will at all.

God is my Father because I have received His Son

Grace and mercy and peace in Christ Jesus the Lord


Bless you ....><>

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