Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[Chad]

I respect the intention of the thread, but unfortunately the way the question is posed is divisive. Imagine a thread asking, can be Christian and conservative? It's unhelpfully loaded and does not invite constructive discussion.

That's your perspective. The other 20+ people that joined this discussion disagree otherwise.

No one is forcing you or anyone else to participate in the discussion if you don't like how it's posed as divisive (according to you).

 

[Quantrill]

Yes believe according to scripture means believe means believe in what?> In the Gispel! So the gospel is "repent (turn off your sins) and be baptised (be burried with Jesus) and you will receive the Holy Spirit) . If one dont obey this ,thgen means or that they dont have saving faith or they vever listened the real gosepl.
And then when you receive the Spirit you have to continue walking by the Spirit "fFor as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. "!!
"if we walk in flesh we are go to die"
(faith is God has even a demon! But faith without works is dead! Our faith has Holibess,seperation from the world! )
God bless you!

You make absolutely no sense.

Quantrill

 

[Bill]

The trick is getting ppl to listen.

How often i hear. "I know the bible, i know all that is written in it." Then i will say in conversation a few lines of scripture . " a typical responce, 'that is not in the bible'" . To which i will reply, look it up.

Ppl often read the Bible, the Word of God. But not always listen to what is said. And many forget, the Bible is written in layers. The new Christians will perceive the scripture a certain way. (And a common mistake is they feel thier interpretation is the only one) As time goes on, and you grow in spirit, so too will your understanding of Scripture be.

It is then that you will begin to grasp the layers.

A great example of these layers that i speak of. Are the progression of miracles that take place in the Gospel of Mark begining chapter 4, 35 through 41. Then continuing chapter 5, 1 thru 45.

Each miracle is a greater expression of faith.
It starts with Jesus telling his Apostles have you no faith. Then in each type of miracle following, the growth of faith. Yes even those deeply possessed, though the devil controls most things. The person can recognize the fear of the spirit within.. the scripture says "a man with an unclean spirit came out of the tombs. 3. Next progression Jairus daughter 4 next progression "if i just touch him" and 5. Do not be afraid only have faith

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[Hekuran]

That's your perspective. The other 20+ people that joined this discussion disagree otherwise.

No one is forcing you or anyone else to participate in the discussion if you don't like how it's posed as divisive (according to you).

Of course not. But I object strongly to a poll that calls my faith into question based on my political outlook, and it's not inappropriate for me to call that into question.

 

[Quantrill]

I respect the intention of the thread, but unfortunately the way the question is posed is divisive. Imagine a thread asking, can be Christian and conservative? It's unhelpfully loaded and does not invite constructive discussion.

Divisive is what Jesus Christ does. (Lu. 12:51) The idea of unity based on nothing but unity is chaos. This is what we are seeing in the U.S today. Everyone wants to be 'united', but at the same time they destroy the things that our unity was based upon. Won't work.

Quantrill

 

[Bill]

That's your perspective. The other 20+ people that joined this discussion disagree otherwise.

No one is forcing you or anyone else to participate in the discussion if you don't like how it's posed as divisive (according to you).

Man bro i feel for you. The roller coaster of this thread.

Know that if i ever have any serious issues with you. I would make a private chat versus airing things in public. So if you felt i was pointing fingers. I wasnt

Bill

 

[Hekuran]

Divisive is what Jesus Christ does. (Lu. 12:51) The idea of unity based on nothing but unity is chaos. This is what we are seeing in the U.S today. Everyone wants to be 'united', but at the same time they destroy the things that our unity was based upon. Won't work.

Quantrill

Jesus divides between good and evil, truth and lies, darkness and light. Remember, though, that not all division is godly in its origins.

 

[Chad]

Man bro i feel for you. The roller coaster of this thread.

Know that if i ever have any serious issues with you. I would make a private chat versus airing things in public. So if you felt i was pointing fingers. I wasnt

Bill

Thank you Bill. Yes, some people love to be heard for sake of being heard. They don't know the difference between an apple an orange, so to speak. As far they're concerned, their views is the only views.

Similar to the liberal perspective.

 

[Bill]

Greetings Bill,

I see it a bit like this,

to enter in you must take two steps [unless a myriad of other things happen, like falling or being thrown or hopping , etc.
That means that our entering in, which we might liken to being born again, begins with the first step, which is, the Love the Lord your God with everything you are [my crude paraphrase] which we [anyone] can only do IF we believe first in Him and His Son.
The next step is to love one another. The two steps are part of the one entering by the one soul/person.
And of course, unless you like standing in doorways, it is usually best to keep moving.... ie, walk in love.

Try it, stand at a door and see if this is true. You have to take one step first but that will not get you fully in, only partly, with one foot in the room and one without, or, one foot in the Heavenly and on in the world, which is not a good place to park oneself!


I recently saw a short ten word testimony that spoke volumes to me:

God is my Father because I have received His Son

The Father says, listen to Him and do as He says, for in I am well pleased with Him, don't forget that [my crude paraphrase of several scriptures]

We all are no better than anyone else according to the Bible, because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and because we now have this hope, does that make us so much better than all they who do not? If that is our attitude we have grievously missed the mark.
What we do have is a new understanding and knowledge of the love of God as demonstrated by His beloved Son, toward all, in that while we were yet sinners, like all who still are, Christ gave Him self and died for us, that we might have life, true life and eternal, and for that reason we ought to be so grateful that we want to share the same message of hope that we first received with all who still don't, who like us before we heard and believed will perish, which is not God's will at all.

God is my Father because I have received His Son

Grace and mercy and peace in Christ Jesus the Lord


Bless you ....><>

Love is For Giving
God is Love​

My brother, please never belittle yourself before me. You are deep in my heart.

I teach a message of love, but i understand the focus where many are taught 'faith alone'. You are correct to say faith alone that brings us to Jesus. But as you say, there are some steps involved.

I think of it as a big hill. And Jesus with the cross is at the top. We are on the left side, and God the Father is on the right.

In faith, we first have to climb the hill "if i only touch him" Mark 5.28 climb the hill and reach out to Jesus. Knock on the door, and it will be opened. WE STILL HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE DOOR. Faith brings us to our salvation, who is Jesus. But now we need to recieve Jesus. Into our hearts. Jesus/God, is love

I need to add a little to this, because of some new teaching ive been hearing that is incorrect.

The new teaching is the Baptism of Water and the Baptism of Fire are one and the same. That is incorrect.

The Baptism of Water is welcoming a new child of God back home. The Baptism of Fire and the Holy Spirit is something else altogether.

 

[Bill]

Look ,God spoke against him.
God spoke against reach>?
God spoke agaist sin. i DONT trust as a Christian anybody who is in sin. Even if miracles happened by him, i dont see any Holiness in senond marriage. "by their works you will know them"
If you read scripture you will know that many times God used a proud man to beat His enemies and then when God finshed His Work, tirns agaisnt that proud man.
(i did not never any seminary, i dont study theology, i dont accept nobody from religion or Theological schools to teach me) God bless you.

You reming me of a story i heard. A faith filled Christian man was hiking in the mountains once. The sun was bright, and a beautiful view of his town was before him. So going near the edge, he stepped out to take a picture. But he fell. He stopped short of going over a big cliff to certain death.

He prayed, Lord Jesus, please help me.

A hiker came and saw him. Let down a rope. But the man refused saying, God will help me.

A couple in a balloon saw him and let down a ladder. But he refused saying God will save me.

A little while later a rescue helicopter came, again he refused. And in kicking away thier ladder, he fell to his death.

Standing before God, the man said. I prayed to you, i put my faith in you, and you did not come. The Father replied, i sent a hiker, a balloonist and rescue crew, what more do you want

 

[LadiD62]

I want to remind everyone the intention of this thread I started. First, despite a couple of ignorant remarks from 2 members who aired their misconception (and have posted less than 10 times in 10 years as a member on this site), the purpose of this thread is this: discussion. Getting everyone to focus on what God says about politics, morality, ethics. I wanted to get feedback on what people thought about the subject: possibility if one can be both Liberal in views and Christian at the same time.

This is not about "causing division" as those 2 ignorant members said. This is not about judging. This is about intellectual discussions and studies. You know, that's how we grow. Not be being quiet and silent about important matters.

Well Chad, your topic has truly opened the flood gates of interesting thoughts. I appreciate healthy discussion of varying respectful ideas. I am a bit perplexed by how some people have become a bit hostile towards others. While I don't agree with some thoughts I defend each persons right to them. My bottom line is we as followers of Christ must set the example for the world through our actions. It's not enough to quote scripture, we must live as Jesus would. We are all sinners and fallen short of the glory of God but we continue to strive to live in a way that pleases God, by spreading the love of God to all His children. Love wins souls.

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus divides between good and evil, truth and lies, darkness and light. Remember, though, that not all division is godly in its origins.

Well, yes. The point is Jesus divides. Contrary to your former statement of concern over division. The divide is becoming clearer. More distinct now. Thus you have atheism, and liberalism, and socialism, and homosexuals, choosing the democratic party to reside in. In the Republican party you find your Christians, conservatives, patriots for what the country should be.

Most division is Godly in it's origins. It is God Who divides. Why? To preserve the truth. To preserve His people.

Quantrill

 

[pet]

I am not asking for your 'sympathy'. I am showing you how you are mistaken. For you to say they in the Mayflower meant satan, is beyond a mistake. It is lunacy. As I have said, you live in a make believe world.

Quantrill

You ask or no ,there you have it, i sympathize your situation . (i suffer with you) .Sorry, i did not say that they mean Satan I said that the god of this world is satan.
There are many real Christans in USA (Thanks God for that) but is not a 'Christian nation" ...not more than all pther World.
(you can read also the rest of my answer, dont focus in what you dont like ,and if you get mad..please be kind.) God bless.

 

[Hekuran]

Well, yes. The point is Jesus divides. Contrary to your former statement of concern over division. The divide is becoming clearer. More distinct now. Thus you have atheism, and liberalism, and socialism, and homosexuals, choosing the democratic party to reside in. In the Republican party you find your Christians, conservatives, patriots for what the country should be.

Most division is Godly in it's origins. It is God Who divides. Why? To preserve the truth. To preserve His people.

Quantrill

Ok. And what do have to say to those of us whose understanding of Jesus' teaching leads us to political convictions that are on the left?

My political views spring from my faith in Jesus, they are not contrary to it.

 

[Quantrill]

Ok. And what do have to say to those of us whose understanding of Jesus' teaching leads us to political convictions that are on the left?

My political views spring from my faith in Jesus, they are not contrary to it.

What do I say? I say explain how you can be Christian and identify with the liberal leftist democratic party?

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

What do I say? I say explain how you can be Christian and identify with the liberal leftist democratic party?

Quantrill

I don't identify with the democratic party because I'm not in the USA. My political views spring from the biblical perspectives on care for the poor, for God's creation, for the alien and stranger.

 

[Quantrill]

I don't identify with the democratic party because I'm not in the USA. My political views spring from the biblical perspectives on care for the poor, for God's creation, for the alien and stranger.

Well, go back to my post #34. This is what I am addressing as this is where the atheistic left has found a home. If you think the left here is different than your left from wherever you are from, then by all means, explain. And then explain the opposite political view in your area, and where do you say Christians find themselves.

All your caring for the poor, and social needs is fine. But it is not the emphasis in Christianity. The emphasis is the Person of Jesus Christ. Ye must be born-again.

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

There are two main political parties in the UK, Conservative and Labour, plus a number of smaller parties - Scottish Nationalist Party, Democratic Unionist Party, Green Party, UK Independence Party and the Liberal Democrats. There are Christians in each of these parties. Only the left-leaning Green Party - as far as I am aware - has a professing Christian as a leader (co-leader in fact).

I don't have statistics, but I would say that in general Christians in the UK lean towards the left.

 

[Dave M]

I don't identify with the democratic party because I'm not in the USA. My political views spring from the biblical perspectives on care for the poor, for God's creation, for the alien and stranger.

I think this poll is more geared to those in the usa, do liberals in UK cheer about abortion laws? do liberals put satanic statues in gonv buildings? I dont think you support any of those things, here in the USA the liberal comes in claiming to help the poor but really are just enslaving them to a life of poverty through food stamps with conditions that you have to stay poor to keep them making it a environment that it rewards those who do not work, and punishes those who work by higher taxation. THe person on food stamps and gonv assitence makes more sitting at home then they can working a min wage job most of the time, so there is not incentive for them to get a job

I know you to be a loving man and @Hekuran I would think this thread is being confused, no one is attacking your faith brother, I know you of a man of good and strong Faith, and always look forward to your post. God give us Grace and we to should extend grace to others

 

[Hekuran]

You could probably describe all the major parties in the UK as liberal regarding same sex marriages, abortion laws and - with the exception of the Democratic Unionist Party. There is not a major debate on abortion law in this country at the moment, and the abortion rate is coming down.

So, the issues for us are about we resource healthcare and education, regulation of business, housing policy, crime, the threat of terrorism, investing in the preserving the environment, and immigration.

On many of these issues I'm not much impressed with the offerings of either of the main parties. But the answers coming from the left seem to me to be more constructive and fruitful than those on the right.