Depart from Me, I Never Knew You ~ Meaning of Matthew 7:21-23

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Sin does not become sin when we do it, it becomes sin when we think it !!!

Not so Cannot be so
For How can one be tempted and resist the temptation
If one is first not tempted in their minds?

 

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Sin does not become sin when we do it, it becomes sin when we think it !!! The actions part is only the "manifestation" of already abiding sin within us.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The "finishing" part of sin is when we do it, but that is not when sin starts, it starts when we think it!!!
Jesus gives us an example of this.......

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Lusting for something evil is when sin conceives in the heart and become sin. the finishing comes later in actions after sin is in the heart.
A straight Christian is one who "struggles" against sin. A gay person openly welcomes sin into their heart, without ever trying to stop, even though they know it is wrong.

I said a gay christian not just a gay person.

 

[Curtis]

Sin does not become sin when we do it, it becomes sin when we think it !!!

Not so Cannot be so
For How can one be tempted and resist the temptation
If one is first not tempted in their minds?

Do you think Jesus was just kidding us when he said that when a man lusts after a woman, has "already" committed adultery with her? He has not even touched this woman yet he committed adultery!!. Is adultery a sin?

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Do you think that only restraining from doing wickedness is all we have to do? No, We have stop thinking about it!!!!

 

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I do not doubt it at all
But you seem to not answer my questions concerning the disparity of options of remedy between gay christians
And straight ones.
Meaning those who have to fight sexual temptation to the same sex and those who have to fight sexual temptation to the opposite sex, and the lack of long term remedy for the christian who is struggling with Same not opposite sex temptation, in other words has no Option of victory through the sanctity of marriage , whereas the straight person could have that way out and have a source of relief from such sexual temptations that could last all their earthly life while in the body.With no remedy whatsoever!

 

[Curtis]

I do not doubt it at all
But you seem to not answer my questions concerning the disparity of options of remedy between gay christians
And straight ones.
Meaning those who have to fight sexual temptation to the same sex and those who have to fight sexual temptation to the opposite sex, and the lack of long term remedy for the christian who is struggling with Same not opposite sex temptation, in other words has no Option of victory through the sanctity of marriage , whereas the straight person could have that way out and have a source of relief from such sexual temptations.

It makes no difference if one is married or not, sexual lust is part of the works of the flesh, which all have to deal with. "Walk in the Spirit, and you will fulfill the lusts of the flesh".(Gal 5:16)
The only option to a gay Christian is to stop committing what God calls wickedness. If you ever find a person who calls them self a Christian and is gay, you can be sure they do not want to be set free from what they are doing, because if they did, they would not be gay anymore!!!

 

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Sin does not become sin when we do it, it becomes sin when we think it !!!

Not so Cannot be so
For How can one be tempted and resist the temptation
If one is first not tempted in their minds?

Your point would be more correctly posed
By saying that sin not need be only in Actual physical acton but in Lustful thought Of action.

 

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It makes no difference if one is married or not, sexual lust is part of the works of the flesh, which all have to deal with. "Walk in the Spirit, and you will fulfill the lusts of the flesh".(Gal 5:16)
The only option to a gay Christian is to stop committing what God calls wickedness. If you ever find a person who calls them self a Christian and is gay, you can be sure they do not want to be set free from what they are doing, because if they did, they would not be gay anymore!!!

Really?
You mean they would become straight in orientation?
Its not fulfil the lusts of the flesh.
If being married makes no difference then why is it considered a remedy for such a problem?

9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

And if marriage does not cure lust temptation Of straights who can marry
Then what trouble for those who cannot marry by law
They have no relief
For as you say
The temptations of the flesh still are in those married
How awful then for those who are not Allowed or cannot be married.
Or how easy for those who can marry divorce and still lust and be forgiven.

Some have it far tougher than those who lord it over them it seems.

 

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a person who calls them self a Christian and is gay, you can be sure they do not want to be set free from what they are doing, because if they did, they would not be gay anymore!!!

What if straight people could not marry
Would they then not be a christian if they still struggled with sexual temptation and fell sometimes
would You be sure they Do not want to be set free from their sexual lusts , because if they did they would not be straight anymore.!!!
Or is straight lust somehow normal?
But gay lust not normal?

Do you think jesus was tempted in every way possible
Or do you think only in straight ways?
Temptation is not sin
But is straight temptation Not a sin
While gay temptation is ?
And if you being a straight man are still tempted and while married!!
What about a gay man tempted who is not and cannot be married
Is he he given a greater burden that you?
Of course he is!

 

[Christ4Ever]

I have no doubt whatsoever that NO member of the TRUE church would ever have need of changing LAWS
To do with the sabbath just so they could meet up on the first day of the week.
The very idea Is Ludicrous,
To change Gods laws would require changing God's word
Which is a sin of the man of sin.

@Listening

I mentioned the year 32AD as the possibility of when the change occurred. I also mentioned some scripture for your consideration. Considered?

If you were to look deeper and maybe even at the timeline. Especially as it pertains to the death of the Apostles. Peter, John, and Paul where at the very least still alive and alive for many years. What does that tell you in regards to the change of the Sabbath and how it was perceived? Not just by the Jews, but by the Gentiles as well.

You might believe this to be "Ludicrous", but by questioning membership in the "TRUE church" are you not in turn really questioning the salvation of those who practice/adhere to the Sabbath on another day?

Always remember in replying that you are talking with Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus.

In and with the love of Christ Brother.
C4E
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[Curtis]

Really?
You mean they would become straight in orientation?
Its not fulfil the lusts of the flesh.
If being married makes no difference then why is it considered a remedy for such a problem?

9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

And if marriage does not cure lust temptation Of straights who can marry
Then what trouble for those who cannot marry by law
They have no relief
For as you say
The temptations of the flesh still are in those married
How awful then for those who are not Allowed or cannot be married.
Or how easy for those who can marry divorce and still lust and be forgiven.

Some have it far tougher than those who lord it over them it seems.

Every here of "adultery"? That is when a married man has sex with someone who is not his wife.This happens all the time, that is because the "flesh" is never satisfied, whether you are married or not. Walking in the Spirit is the only cure to these things. Someone asked me one time, "how long can a man walk in the Spirit", I said, "how long can you keep your heart set on the things above were Christ sits? that's how long"

1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion

If you have a girl friend, and really love her, then they should marry instead of lusting for each other. Can a man take fire to his bosom, and not get burned? No

 

[Curtis]

a person who calls them self a Christian and is gay, you can be sure they do not want to be set free from what they are doing, because if they did, they would not be gay anymore!!!

What if straight people could not marry
Would they then not be a christian if they still struggled with sexual temptation and fell sometimes
would You be sure they Do not want to be set free from their sexual lusts , because if they did they would not be straight anymore.!!!
Or is straight lust somehow normal?
But gay lust not normal?

Do you think jesus was tempted in every way possible
Or do you think only in straight ways?
Temptation is not sin
But is straight temptation Not a sin
While gay temptation is ?
And if you being a straight man are still tempted and while married!!
What about a gay man tempted who is not and cannot be married
Is he he given a greater burden that you?
Of course he is!

A true born again person now has God living in themselves. God hates homosexual activities which will be a constant reminder in their conscience of their wrong doings. How can a person who calls themselves a Christian stay a homosexual? They can not!! I have seen homosexual people get set free from being gay after becoming a child of God. Are they tempted to return back to there old ways? Yes, just like every one who is not gay, but are tempted by other lusts of the flesh. Christians struggle "against" sin, not welcome it as a friend to satisfy their fleshly evil desires..

 

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A true born again person now has God living in themselves. God hates homosexual activities which will be a constant reminder in their conscience of their wrong doings. How can a person who calls themselves a Christian stay a homosexual? They can not!! I have seen homosexual people get set free from being gay after becoming a child of God. Are they tempted to return back to there old ways? Yes, just like every one who is not gay, but are tempted by other lusts of the flesh. Christians struggle "against" sin, not welcome it as a friend to satisfy their fleshly evil desires..

Straight people Can struggle against sin Does this mean they welcome it ?
Where did welcome it idea come from?

Temptation is temptation And the struggle is struggle
Why does everyone assume and judge gay people want to sin or be gay
Who believe in jesus
Why does everyone think they know the minds of other people?
There is a self rightieous hatred and jugdgement against those who struggle with himosexual lusts
It is obvious and it runs deep within the attitudes of people on here.
The compassion and understnading given to straight people struggling with porn is an exmaple of the extreme prejudice difference in attitudes to ward straight sexual sin and gay sexual sin.

People who do not have the same struggle as others think they know what iS a right weakness and what is not.
Its ok for straight people to struggle with sin
But its not ok for gay people to struggle with sin
Is what people in here are saying.
And it is quite amazing.
Straight people can still have a sexual temptation weakness
But straight people must never have that weakness
They must not be gay in orientation at all once a believer!
How insane for straight people to make such an asumption
Because it is not the case.If it were there would be no problem.

 

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Straight Christians struggle against porn
They do not welcome it as a friend to satisfy their Fleshly evil desires
How else do they do it then?

If you were gay and struggled with it As a christian
How do you think you would be any better than you are now struggling with sin?
You seem to assume too much.
You struggle with sin yet you think others should not have the same struggles and it should be that they do not., Or else It means they welcome it and are not true christians.
Yet the truth is they are justified by faith In jesus and live by grace just like you.
But you do not want to give them that, to you they must not be christians

 

[B-A-C]

Heterosexual pornography, lust and self abuse are just as much of a sin as homosexuality.
I don't think anyone has said it's more of a sin... but it's not less of a sin either.

Homosexuality is one of the few sins in the Bible called an abomination. ( Lev 18:22; )

a·bom·i·na·tion

/əˌbäməˈnāSH(ə)n/

noun

noun: abomination; plural noun: abominations

a thing that causes disgust or hatred.
"this bill is an abomination to all mankind"

synonyms: atrocity, disgrace, horror, obscenity, outrage, evil, crime, monstrosity, anathema, bane
"in both wars, internment was an abomination"

•a feeling of hatred.
"their abomination of indulgence"

synonyms: detestation, loathing, hatred, aversion, antipathy, revulsion, repugnance, abhorrence, odium, execration, disgust, horror, hostility
"she looked upon his kitschy decor with abomination"

antonyms: liking, love

One of things that seems to separate many who practice homosexuality, is the fact that they take pride
in their sin. I don't think I've ever seen a "adultery pride" or "murder pride" parade. there are of course
other sins that people do take pride in, but generally these aren't Christians.

 

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What about alcoholics who their entire life have to know their weakness
Should they never say they are alcoholics?
Are they wrong to do so?
Should they never say they are alcoholics?
And a porn addict
Should they never admit or call themselves addicted to porn?
And if they do
Does it mean they are not a christian?

 

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Unless a homosexual is given the gift of becoming straight By God
So they can If they can find a partner get married to a member of the opposite sex
They are stuck with the struggle against homosexuality all their life
Are they not?
Dont you have any compassion for their struggle
Or is it too hard for you to bring yourself to see them as christians?

 

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Heterosexual pornography, lust and self abuse are just as much of a sin as homosexuality.
I don't think anyone has said it's more of a sin... but it's not less of a sin either.

Homosexuality is one of the few sins in the Bible called an abomination. ( Lev 18:22; )

a·bom·i·na·tion

/əˌbäməˈnāSH(ə)n/

noun

noun: abomination; plural noun: abominations

a thing that causes disgust or hatred.
"this bill is an abomination to all mankind"

synonyms: atrocity, disgrace, horror, obscenity, outrage, evil, crime, monstrosity, anathema, bane
"in both wars, internment was an abomination"

•a feeling of hatred.
"their abomination of indulgence"

synonyms: detestation, loathing, hatred, aversion, antipathy, revulsion, repugnance, abhorrence, odium, execration, disgust, horror, hostility
"she looked upon his kitschy decor with abomination"

antonyms: liking, love

One of things that seems to separate many who practice homosexuality, is the fact that they take pride
in their sin. I don't think I've ever seen a "adultery pride" or "murder pride" parade. there are of course
other sins that people do take pride in, but generally these aren't Christians.

Is this post to remind you homosexuality is a sin?
Or was it for the rest of us to be reminded?.

 

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The pope the man of sin and his antichrist kingdom