It's above your level of understanding?
Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven?
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No giants escaped The Flood - and saying that is calling GOD and Jesus liars!
If you could understand the Bible and also a bit of modern genetic information you would know that some Nephilim DNA passed through the Flood in the wife of Noah's son Ham whose grandson was evil and cursed.
Ham is the father of the black people who still carry the curse of low IQ with all that implies.
The most pagan, poverty struck and crime ridden countries are all peopled by Hamites.
Now inthese Last Days Satan's Second Gang of Fallen Angels is busy tring and almost succeeding in destroying belief in GOD, Jesus, The BIble...
All you nee do is read the Bible
You just hate Bible truths don't you?
After reading some of your posts, I can't help but wonder if you are actually a 17 year old smart alec kid just trying to get a rise out of Bible believers. Or, maybe you are just one of those "silly women" -
"Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2Ti 3:4-7 KJV)
I noticed in one of your posts you prefer the KJV, but modern translations read the same, even those feminist slanted ones.
I believe the story Enoch tells because of the evidence of the giants.It makes sense the reason why God sent the flood. Why do you think God wanted the holy-land cleansed its was to destroy the remaining Giants in the land.Its why they did not kill all the people because after they killed all the giants they saw no reason to kill all the live stock and people and refused to complete what God asked them to do because they no longer feared them.Which a punishment was handed down on them for not obeying.You do not have to believe it - it neither adds or takes away from your salvation.
Salvation can only be found in the death and resurrection of Christ.
Salvation can only be found in the death and resurrection of Christ.
Maybe you should try think I'm far more knowledgeable than you?
Reported your comment as hate and discrimination.
Rxlx, in the post #42 in this thread, you wrote:
"Ham is the father of the black people who still carry the curse of low IQ with all that implies.
The most pagan, poverty struck and crime ridden countries are all peopled by Hamites."
You reported my comment as hate and discrimination? ROTFL
Here are a few lines from The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
"Of the nationalities regarded as descending from Ham, none can be described as really black. First on the list, as being the darkest, is Cush or Ethiopia (Ge 10:6), after which comes Mitsrayim, or Egypt, then PuT or Libyia, and Canaan last. The sons or descendants of each of these are then taken in turn, and it is noteworthy that some of them, like the Ethiopians and the Canaanites, spoke Semitic, and not Hamitic, languages..."
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Please stick to the subject, instead of various degrees of personal attacks which are not needed to further the discussion.
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One. IDK why "Satan and his angels" was stated that way but it was a reminder that he managed to persuide a group of angels to rebel with him.
I would offer.
Satan the man of sin using men to cause sin called the antichrist is the one lying spirit that works in many antichrists (plural)
Antichrist meaning another teaching master other than all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptures)
Antichrist used singular, the lying wondering, wondering, marveling power of Satan. Needed to give the illusion God is still adding to prophecy (sola scriptura)
Antichrists used plural those sent as false apostles sent with false prophecy oral traditions of dying mankind
1 John 2 a warning to us not to repeat the work of the antichrist Satan working in Peter (Mathew 16) used as one on the many antichrists Satan the father of lies used Peter to rebuke the unseen Holy Father and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the powerful Father .
Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus, A lesson to us
1 John 218-27 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists(plural) whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.; But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.;Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.; Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.; And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Not abide in Peter, dying mankind used in a demonstration one of the antichrists. False apostles', false prophets
Mathew 16:22;Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (not fallen angel. . angel fake word .)
Your post says nothing about Satan's First and Scond Gangs or their fates.
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The 1/3rd Satan managed to manipulate teachnically are:
Angels but they are no longer.
They are demons.
Like him those fallen angels lost the right to be called angels and were twisted and ruined by the evil they chose.
Angels but they are no longer.
They are demons.
Like him those fallen angels lost the right to be called angels and were twisted and ruined by the evil they chose.
The demons are actually the spirits of the half angel-half human Nephilim.
The first gang of fallen angesl are trapped inside Earth where Jesus went to see them after he had been crucified.
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Right.....
So in the Old Testament before they existed and BEFORE the flood what "evil" was running around? Oh, the 1/3rd angels now demons.
Regarding your "answer" there's no universal agreement on who the "sons of God" are.
a. angelic beings
b. Descendants of Seth
Sons of God in Job 1:6 and 2:1
The passages that provide the clearest meaning of the phrase “son of God” in the Old Testament occur in the book of Job. The first two passages are found in Job 1-2.
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So. There are other arguments to whom this "sons of God" 100% refers to.
So in the Old Testament before they existed and BEFORE the flood what "evil" was running around? Oh, the 1/3rd angels now demons.
Regarding your "answer" there's no universal agreement on who the "sons of God" are.
a. angelic beings
b. Descendants of Seth
Sons of God in Job 1:6 and 2:1
The passages that provide the clearest meaning of the phrase “son of God” in the Old Testament occur in the book of Job. The first two passages are found in Job 1-2.
Who were the sons of God? Are they angels or people?
The phrase "sons of God" has two different meanings in the Bible. Discover what this phrase means in the Old and New Testaments.
www.neverthirsty.org
So. There are other arguments to whom this "sons of God" 100% refers to.
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I've found the conversation in this thread to be somewhat intriguing with all parties utterly convinced of their knowledge.
But I have certain relevant question to ask, and am hoping that honest answers may be posted.
Just a few comments on Enoch:
Sometimes this all reads like a grade B movie script for the Marvel Comic Books.
Rhema
But I have certain relevant question to ask, and am hoping that honest answers may be posted.
- Who here has seen or been chased by a UFO personally?
- Has anyone here actually encountered and subsequently exorcised a demon? (I tend to call them critters.)
- When considering the book of Enoch, was anyone here aware that there is a 2nd Enoch and 3rd Enoch?
Just a few comments on Enoch:
Judging by the number of copies found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Enoch was widely read during the Second Temple period. Today, the Ethiopic Beta Israel community of Haymanot Jews is the only Jewish group that accepts the Book of Enoch as canonical
Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God.
Sometimes this all reads like a grade B movie script for the Marvel Comic Books.
Rhema
Enoch was quoted by the disciples and so must have been commonly read in those days.
It was the Catholics that removed it.
I've seen a very typical saucer UFO cruising silently over the rooftops.
I've encountered various fallen angels and demons and chased them away by reminding them that Jesus is returning.
Any true Christian can overcome demons and fallen angels except for the mysterious one Jesus spoke of in Mark 9 'could only come out by prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29).'
I've never hear a preacher of any denomination refer to demons and certainly not to fallen angels but rather treat them as figments of Bible writer's imagination.
It was the Catholics that removed it.
I've seen a very typical saucer UFO cruising silently over the rooftops.
I've encountered various fallen angels and demons and chased them away by reminding them that Jesus is returning.
Any true Christian can overcome demons and fallen angels except for the mysterious one Jesus spoke of in Mark 9 'could only come out by prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29).'
I've never hear a preacher of any denomination refer to demons and certainly not to fallen angels but rather treat them as figments of Bible writer's imagination.
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I agree with this. The Nephilim were a creation that demons both created and possessed.
I see now why you separate the fallen angels in your title. It was confusing at first.
I would not separate them. 1/3 of the stars fell = 1/3 of angels were cast down to earth Rev 12:4. Some of those cast down were / are so evil that they need to be kept in isolation to the rest.
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Not sure what point you are trying to make here; please could you clarify.
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A Christian won't experience this. Many UFO's and all grey aliens are creations of fallen angels. They will avoid Christians.
