Did Satan bring One or Two gangs of fallen angels from heaven?

[Rxlx]

I agree with this. The Nephilim were a creation that demons both created and possessed.



I see now why you separate the fallen angels in your title. It was confusing at first.

No. The BIble is quite clear that Satan's First Gang - or the Watchers who chose to follow him and lust after women created the Nephilim with human mothers.
They are trapped inside Earth and were visited by Jesus in spirit mode during the two days his body was in the tomb.
The second gang chose to follow Satan when he was finally banned from heaven. He was allowed in as written in Job 1:6 KJV:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job's torment happened well after The Flood.

Jesus saw Satan cast out - but was that literally or a vison of a future event?

• Luke 10:18: Jesus says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” .

Its now 6,000 plus years since Creation and if we accept Satan tempted Eve within a day or two of her creation then he has been ruling Earth 6,000 years.
Jesus confirmed Satan ruled Earth 2000 years ago.

Revelation 12:3–4. John sees a sign in heaven: “An enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.” John then relates that the dragon was hurled down to the earth and positively identifies it as “that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray” (Revelation 12:9). The dragon is not thrown to earth alone, however: “His angels were cast out with him” (verse 9). The angels that are ejected from heaven with Satan we associate with the “third of the stars” that the dragon’s tail swept from heaven to earth in verse 4.'

Question is: was John describing a past or future event?
Either way it is indisputable that the first gang are still imprisoned and there are enough aliens, Bigfoot, ghosts, poltergeists etc etc to support that Earth has a great number of Fallen Angels wandering it.

 

[MedicBravo]

Not sure what point you are trying to make here; please could you clarify.

In this, there were only two groups of angels after the Rebellion.
The ones that followed Lucifer who after being cast out LOST any right or what they are of being angels.
This question is pointless. Former angels referenced their former status.
*Satan did NOT bring "two groups" of angels.

 

[Rhema]

I've encountered various fallen angels

How could this be true if...

The first gang of fallen angels are trapped inside Earth

Unless you now have three gangs instead of two?


(This just keeps getting better.)

I've never hear a preacher of any denomination refer to demons and certainly not to fallen angels but rather treat them as figments of Bible writer's imagination.

Just visit any American Pentecostal-type church.

The only person I would trust, though, would be Lester Sumrall. His works are beneficial.

 

[Rxlx]

Rhema delights in being stupid.

 

[Rhema]

Satan ... has been ruling Earth 6,000 years.
Jesus confirmed Satan ruled Earth 2000 years ago.

But no longer, of course, yes?

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

I always wonder why Christians think Satan still rules things.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Rhema delights in being stupid.

Thank you kindly.

 

[MedicBravo]

Satan does rule this rock. He can only do what he's allowed to do.
If Satan is "not" by some backwards assumption then why Evil?

 

[Rhema]

Satan does rule this rock. He can only do what he's allowed to do.

Well then you shouldn't allow him to do anything.

Would someone (anyone) tell me why Christians do not believe this verse?

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And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

Is it true or not?

If Satan is "not" by some backwards assumption then why Evil?

Because Christians don't know what they're doing. They believe the wrong thing.

However, the question is similar to one that Jesus answered.

And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. ​

(John 9:1-3 KJV)

Where are these works, then?

Christians who do not believe that they may wield the same power as Jesus to heal, can't.
And the beat of evil goes on.

Christians who do not believe that they may wield the same power as Jesus to save the lost, can't.
And the beat of evil goes on.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.​

(John 14:12 KJV)

Again, where are these works, then?

Christians keep asking the sinner to choose to become saved, when they should be asking the Father to save them. Like I said, Christians don't know what they're doing because they believe the wrong thing.

Exasperated,
Rhema


BTW, For anyone who is interested, Paul did not mean Satan when he used the phrase "god of this world."

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.​

(2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV)

Paul had absolutely no problem using the name Satan. Three (3) times he used the name Satan - in this very same epistle. So put yourself back into the position of the reader at the time when Paul wrote this phrase. Who was the "god of this world"? The Roman Emperor was. And Paul was shrewd as a serpent to avoid overtly saying the Roman Emperor was blinding people (by the laws requiring Roman religious observance) or he would have been tracked down and killed.



(@Christ4Ever - thought you'd be interested.)

 

[Rhema]

A Christian won't experience this. Many UFO's and all grey aliens are creations of fallen angels. They will avoid Christians.

Okay, I shall take that to mean that you haven't.

But critters don't avoid Christians. They didn't avoid Jesus, and they didn't avoid Paul.

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.​

(Acts 16:16-18 KJV)

Kind regards,
Rhema

 

[joestue]

I have recently started reading rebecca brown's book he came to set the captives free.

The book seems to so far support my concerns that Satans kingdom is divided, however they are united in their desire to kill humans and christians especially.

So with regard to genesis 6, etc, i do not believe the scriptures are complete in the sense that there is a minimum of information provided, but the rest you will have to get from God on a need to know basis.

I am concerned there will be another rebellion in heaven and that many actually be what triggers the need for Jesus' second coming.

Whether a future rebellion will be the second, or third or fourth, i dont know. And, it feels to me like even talking about this.. is a very sad, dangerous matter.

Do not be a balam 2.0 and try to tempt angels.

 

[Rhema]

I am concerned there will be another rebellion in heaven and that many actually be what triggers the need for Jesus' second coming.

There's only one trigger. I can tell you what it is, but that might have to be by PM.

they are united in their desire to kill humans and christians especially.

I can say without hesitation that neither Satan or any other critters care about Christians one way or the other. There is a single reason for them being here, and they are wholly focused on that reason - (it's the thing that will trigger). Any harm to humans or Christians is merely collateral damage.

I have recently started reading rebecca brown's book he came to set the captives free.

Hmmm... I shall have to add it to my reading list.

Thank you,
Rhema

 

[MedicBravo]

Because Christians don't know what they're doing.

Who are you to state such a wrong thing?

 

[KingJ]

No. The BIble is quite clear that Satan's First Gang - or the Watchers who chose to follow him and lust after women created the Nephilim with human mothers.
They are trapped inside Earth and were visited by Jesus in spirit mode during the two days his body was in the tomb.
The second gang chose to follow Satan when he was finally banned from heaven. He was allowed in as written in Job 1:6 KJV:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job's torment happened well after The Flood.

Jesus saw Satan cast out - but was that literally or a vison of a future event?

• Luke 10:18: Jesus says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” .

Its now 6,000 plus years since Creation and if we accept Satan tempted Eve within a day or two of her creation then he has been ruling Earth 6,000 years.
Jesus confirmed Satan ruled Earth 2000 years ago.

Revelation 12:3–4. John sees a sign in heaven: “An enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.” John then relates that the dragon was hurled down to the earth and positively identifies it as “that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray” (Revelation 12:9). The dragon is not thrown to earth alone, however: “His angels were cast out with him” (verse 9). The angels that are ejected from heaven with Satan we associate with the “third of the stars” that the dragon’s tail swept from heaven to earth in verse 4.'

Question is: was John describing a past or future event?
Either way it is indisputable that the first gang are still imprisoned and there are enough aliens, Bigfoot, ghosts, poltergeists etc etc to support that Earth has a great number of Fallen Angels wandering it.

My friend, you are making statements not supported by the scripture you quoted. See the underlined. There is only one scripture speaking to them all cast out.

But this is really a non-issue. Angels have free will and can leave whenever they want. It is however extremely unlikely that there be a second and third split among them, that is If you apply your mind to who they are and the fact that they are in the spiritual realm with God.

 

[KingJ]

Okay, I shall take that to mean that you haven't.

But critters don't avoid Christians. They didn't avoid Jesus, and they didn't avoid Paul.

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.​

(Acts 16:16-18 KJV)

Kind regards,
Rhema

We are entering a grey area on grey aliens and demons.

Both positions could be true. You and I are not 'a Paul'. Our guardian angels and demons around us know this.

Demonology is a very complex topic. So much to consider. Can't bring myself to start a thread on it .

 

[Rhema]

Who are you to state such a wrong thing?

I see the evidence. And I provided supporting scriptures.

Don't get your nose bent out of shape. Maybe some humility might help you to learn?

I'd suggest you begin with the ministry of Lester Sumrall.

Blessings,
Rhema

BTW, you ever cast out a critter? I have. So who am I ?? One with experience. Not as much as Lester, mind you.

Oh, and don't forget - "According to your faith so be it." Calling it "wrong" is a statement of your faith. No?

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?​

(Luke 18:8 KJV)

 

[Rhema]

You and I are not 'a Paul'.

You keep trying to wrap me up into your "reality."
Best you speak for yourself.
And I can agree with you that you are not "a Paul."
That said, yes, I too am not "a Paul."
I am more.

Rhema

Our guardian angels and demons around us know this.

You have guardian demons?

 

[KingJ]

You keep trying to wrap me up into your "reality."
Best you speak for yourself.
And I can agree with you that you are not "a Paul."
That said, yes, I too am not "a Paul."
I am more.

Rhema

You have guardian demons?

 

[Christ4Ever]

And the beat of evil goes on.

[Mat 11:29 NKJV] 29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Paul had absolutely no problem using the name Satan. Three (3) times he used the name Satan - in this very same epistle. So put yourself back into the position of the reader at the time when Paul wrote this phrase. Who was the "god of this world"? The Roman Emperor was. And Paul was shrewd as a serpent to avoid overtly saying the Roman Emperor was blinding people (by the laws requiring Roman religious observance) or he would have been tracked down and killed.

That is one way of looking at it which I have no problem agreeing with, but there enough references to be able to equate this with Satan as well though his name is not always mentioned. If one were to go along with your reasoning, then one would ask "Who is pushing the Roman Emperor's buttons that he does what he does?". Oh, and please don't mention Nebuchadnezzar

And the beat goes on, and on...

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rhema]

but there enough references to be able to equate this with Satan as well

Which ones?

then one would ask "Who is pushing the Roman Emperor's buttons that he does what he does?

Before or after the Resurrection? (i.e. before or after Mat. 28:18)

Regards,
Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

Which ones?

You want me to do your homework for you?
It was either that reply or "You want me to tell you so you can tear them apart?"

Before or after the Resurrection? (i.e. before or after Mat. 28:18)

When it was written.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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