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Does God love everyone?

How did Jesus fight it? By using scripture. A doctrine has to agree with all scripture. Not just one or two verses.
Could not agree more, so where is the ''other scripture'' needed in your OP insinuation of God is hateful?

You used certain scriptures to suggest that God is ''hateful'', That is an accusation of God that ''needs'' the ''supporting / all scripture perspective'' to be included asap. Else you leave the reader assuming God is wicked.

If I typed your OP, I would have started with a scripture like 1 John 4:8 and then gone on to explain how not all will experience His love due to ''their'' decisions. Not as you have done where it seems they will experience His wrath due to His hateful side.

I like to believe you were likely still going to better explain yourself. Your threads are mostly very scriptural and informative.
 
God is love, He loves all mankind, He is our creator. What creator doesn't love his work?

But God 'Hates' SIN. He loves the life/lives He has created, but He hates death. The wages of sin is death, eternal death.

God hates 'Evil' Sin is evil is God's eyes.

God 'Hates'

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NKJV)

16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

I agree with your post, not sure why you feel the need to direct it at me. God hates sin not sinners, we agree.

This is not what BAC or Dave believe / are teaching.

I isolated this passage from you as some use the six things God hates as evidence for God hating people. It clearly speaks to someones actions / 'six things' and not an actual person.
 
I agree with your post, not sure why you feel the need to direct it at me. God hates sin not sinners, we agree.

This is not what BAC or Dave believe / are teaching.

I isolated this passage from you as some use the six things God hates as evidence for God hating people. It clearly speaks to someones actions / 'six things' and not an actual person.


The need I posted it to yourself was because you stated, God is Love, God cannot hate. Hence the post, God Loves and God Hates, taken from scripture.

You are misreading B-A-C and Dave M posts, by saying that they are saying/calling God wicked.

That is not so...

God is Love, He demonstrated His love for the world by dying for their sins.
God is Love, He gives all Free Will, but you take this in a worldly way, God is Love in that He gives all Free Will to accept Him or Reject Him, it is not His choice He wants all to be saved, He doesn't want to force the world to believe, He gives the world Free will to believe or not. That is because He is a loving God. If He didn't give this Free Will, He would not be a loving God.

But in the right context, Free Will is the Free Will to accept God or to carry on in sin.

Those who accept God, repent, accept Jesus, have through their Free Will done so because they believe, they want forgiveness, they return wholeheartedly to a loving God.

On the other hand, those who choose, through their Free Will to reject God, The Word and all God has done and plans for us, belong to 'Sin, the World and the Devil'. That is their Free Will choice, God still loves them, still gives them time to change, but we belong to Sin, the world and the devil, or we belong to God, through Jesus. John 3:18-21 is clear about this.

God Hates Sin. Those who choose to live in sin, love to sin, they prefer to sin that accept God, it is their choice, through the Free Will God has given us all.

God is Love and in in is no sin, no evil, no wickedness. The Free Will He has given us all shows just how much He loves the world, His creation. But the wheat and the chaff, the sheep and the goats, will be separated, some to eternal life, others to eternal punishment.
 
You are misreading B-A-C and Dave M posts, by saying that they are saying/calling God wicked.

thank you brother PAUL for pointing this out,, we are saying God is a righteous God, and punishes those who reject Jesus, who is the only one who can offer forgiveness.

Now throwing accusations around because people dont agree with you is not a good way to get your point across, especially when the accusations are a opinion and not a fact
 
Brother Paul, please answer honestly. Did you read the OP?

The need I posted it to yourself was because you stated, God is Love, God cannot hate. Hence the post, God Loves and God Hates, taken from scripture.
I said God is not hateful. He does not show the signs of someone who hates. Please re-read my post # 6.

The context of hate in the scriptures you mention is an intense dislike for said sin. This is not God now being ''hateful''. It is literally apples and oranges.

You are misreading B-A-C and Dave M posts, by saying that they are saying/calling God wicked.

I think not. I think you are blindly defending them and confusing scripture speaking to God hating a '''thing / sin''' over being hateful / hating humans.

Here are some of BAC's statements from his OP. Please note the underlined.

I think God loves almost everyone, but does He love everyone? I'm not so sure.

Prov 8:17; - God says I love those.. "who love me" so what about those who don't love Him?

In Malachi 1:3; and Rom 9:13; it says God hated Esau... why did he hate Esau?

John 1:12; says we have the "right" to be called the sons of God - to those who "receive Him" but
what about those who do not receive Him or give away their inheritance?

Give away their birthrightso to speak. When we are "born again" (birthed again) we have a new birthright. But if we give it
away like Esau.. does God still love us?

I think God loves sinners... those who are ignorant about Him, but seeking Him.
Rom 5:8; says while we were "still sinners" God demonstrated His love for us. (Sending Jesus to die for us)

But what about those who are not ignorant, what about those who have heard of God/Jesus and know
the Bible and reject it? Does God still love them?

Is there any verse in the Bible that says God loves everyone, all the time, unconditionally?
I have not found it yet.

John 14:21; Jesus says.. "the one who keeps my commandments is the one who loves me"
"He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will will love him"

But what those who don't keep his commandments? Does Jesus still love them? ( Prov 8:17; )

BAC is quite literally espousing a wicked God here. God is love. It is not unloving or wicked to have an intense dislike for a sin. To want to remove the sin from your presence. It is wicked if you are the full definition of ''hateful'' to a being. It implies all the many inevitable wicked acts that follow the heart of one who is hateful.

Hence we regular see cherry picked verses of intense cruelty from God to the wicked...from BAC and Dave. Just absolutely shocking miss-representation of God.

Every single instance of God's wrath or actions that seemingly point to cruelty have a lot of context that when properly considered point to the work of a good God. One who is love and righteous in all His ways.

We are seeing false teaching and manipulation of scripture. I don't believe there are ill intentions. It is simply false teaching the devil has pushed into the church.

Remember Brother Paul, I agreed with you because you correctly said ''God hates sin and not the sinner''. Are you changing your belief?
 
thank you brother PAUL for pointing this out,, we are saying God is a righteous God, and punishes those who reject Jesus, who is the only one who can offer forgiveness.

Now throwing accusations around because people dont agree with you is not a good way to get your point across, especially when the accusations are a opinion and not a fact
You have implied God is hateful. Hates sinners. Fact.

Being hateful to any being is wicked. Fact.

God shows no signs of hatred for a sinner. Only their sin. Fact.
 
thank you brother PAUL for pointing this out,, we are saying God is a righteous God, and punishes those who reject Jesus, who is the only one who can offer forgiveness.

Now throwing accusations around because people dont agree with you is not a good way to get your point across, especially when the accusations are a opinion and not a fact

Thank you brother, it is the Free Will gift so many misunderstand, we are free to choose life or death, we are free to choose sin or righteousness, we are free to choose Jesus paid the price for our sins, in full, so that we do not have to, if we choose not to accept it Loving, Free Will Gift we have chosen, sin, the world and the devil, the wages will have to be paid for this decision, not God's decision, God is love and has told us all beforehand, He has lovingly given us a choice, He has not dictated we have to love Him, He has opened a door for all who come to Him through Jesus.

John 3:1-21 tells it all. We must be born again, 3x Jesus said that. Then we are told For God so loved the world... God is Love, many stop at verse 16 & 17, we must follow to verse 21 for the full message. Those who chose not to accept God, Jesus, Salvation, forgiveness of sins, have condemned themselves.

God doesn't want them to miss out, He gives us all, to our last breath to change, to come to Him through Jesus, repent and be saved.

God is Love.
 
Brother Paul, please answer honestly. Did you read the OP?

I said God is not hateful. He does not show the signs of someone who hates. Please re-read my post # 6.

The context of hate in the scriptures you mention is an intense dislike for said sin. This is not God now being ''hateful''. It is literally apples and oranges.



I think not. I think you are blindly defending them and confusing scripture speaking to God hating a '''thing / sin''' over being hateful / hating humans.

Here are some of BAC's statements from his OP. Please note the underlined.



BAC is quite literally espousing a wicked God here. God is love. It is not unloving or wicked to have an intense dislike for a sin. To want to remove the sin from your presence. It is wicked if you are the full definition of ''hateful'' to a being. It implies all the many inevitable wicked acts that follow the heart of one who is hateful.

Hence we regular see cherry picked verses of intense cruelty from God to the wicked...from BAC and Dave. Just absolutely shocking miss-representation of God.

Every single instance of God's wrath or actions that seemingly point to cruelty have a lot of context that when properly considered point to the work of a good God. One who is love and righteous in all His ways.

We are seeing false teaching and manipulation of scripture. I don't believe there are ill intentions. It is simply false teaching the devil has pushed into the church.

Remember Brother Paul, I agreed with you because you correctly said ''God hates sin and not the sinner''. Are you changing your belief?

You are not God's body guard brother, He doesn't need one.

Though it is high commendable you stick up for God, I have to say, in love, you are not seeing wood for trees.

I will come back to this tomorrow.

Blessings
 
You are not God's body guard brother, He doesn't need one.

Though it is high commendable you stick up for God, I have to say, in love, you are not seeing wood for trees.

I will come back to this tomorrow.

Blessings
2 Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ .

If we miss-represent God to the lost, we are failing at our one job. If we do so after correction we become guilty of stumbling the weak and lost.

We become God's enemy. Not His ambassador. Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Implying God is wicked, hateful, cruel and torturous is stumbling the weak and lost. God is none of these.

You three are trying to avoid the extreme of hyper grace, but are going off to the other extreme of God being a terrifying mix of good and evil.

God is ONLY good. It is good to hate what is wicked. It is not good to hate the wicked as the wicked hate, as this is wicked.
 
God shows no signs of hatred for a sinner. Only their sin. Fact.

Psalm 5:5-6
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.


and evil doers is a person you stand corrected by the word of God,

are you able to see, perhaps not.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.


you stand corrected again by the word of God, God actually names the person he hates here those that can see let them see those that can not will not

Hosea 9:15
Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.


Again here is the word of God telling you he hates "them", your issue is you think like a human not like God.

It does not get any plainer in your face with the truth in the word of God that I have posted for you

God bless you have been given the truth I am done
 
God shows no signs of hatred for a sinner. Only their sin. Fact.


this is a lie straight from the pits of hell that have blinded you

it includes people as well. The reason is simple: sin cannot be separated from the sinner except by the forgiveness available in Christ alone. God hates lying, yes, but lying always involves a person—a liar—who chooses to lie. God cannot judge the lie without also judging the liar.

here is a good article if you want truth
 
Brother Paul, please answer honestly. Did you read the OP?

I said God is not hateful. He does not show the signs of someone who hates. Please re-read my post # 6.

The context of hate in the scriptures you mention is an intense dislike for said sin. This is not God now being ''hateful''. It is literally apples and oranges.

The post #6 you quote was a reply to brother @B-A-C, where you quoted the following from a previous post from him.

B-A-C said:

Does God love everyone?

As you have asked me to reply quoting post [HASH=3921]#6,[/HASH] I will do so as follows..

First to @B-A-C comment/question. --- My reply as always... YES God loves everyone

I have stated this 'Many times' in the posts made recently. To clarify...

God IS Love, there is no evil in Him, no wickedness in Him, God IS Love.


Yes he does. He can only love as He is love 1 John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. Please meditate on this verse.

We know God is love because He is kind, patient, caring, long-suffering, good, righteous, just. Because He tells us to love even our enemies Matt 5:44


As always I confirm - I AGREE

Now in our vocabulary we know someone is hateful because they show the signs of hate. Which are harassment, unkind words, bully, torture, racist, partial. God is NONE of these!

Same reply brother --- As always I confirm - I AGREE

We have the word wrong. Hate in scripture only means ''displeased''.

You leave the door wide open for the reader to assume the absolute worst about God. Please don't do that.

If I said Mother Theresa hated someone, everyone would conclude she was merely very displeased with said person. Not that she would now as Sadam Hussein did when he hated the Kurds, gas the woman and children and watch them die slowly over a week.

Please better clarify yourself and stop painting God as the devil or a mix of good and evil. God has not got a dark side. He is light with NO darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5. Hate as we know it, is wicked.

I am replying at your request a message for brother B-A-C

I do not believe B-A-C or Dave M, as you have quoted regarding the God hate/wicked statement, are referring to God as either of these things, but they must reply to you themselves.

I will give a more detailed reply in another post, the reason I reply here to post [HASH=3921]#6,[/HASH] was that you requested me to do so.

I Conclude:
God IS Love, in Him is no wickedness, in Him is no hate, God IS Love.

Please brother, when you read my additional posts, please do so with an open mind, may the Holy Spirit guide our hearts and minds in The Word. If you are not understanding what I have written, please confirm the point and I will re-word it, I am sure you will.

Peace and God's Love be with us all always.

In Jesus Name, Amen
 
Psalm 5:5-6
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.


and evil doers is a person you stand corrected by the word of God,

are you able to see, perhaps not.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.


you stand corrected again by the word of God, God actually names the person he hates here those that can see let them see those that can not will not

Hosea 9:15
Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.


Again here is the word of God telling you he hates "them", your issue is you think like a human not like God.

It does not get any plainer in your face with the truth in the word of God that I have posted for you

God bless you have been given the truth I am done
I ask for signs of hatred from God and you provide scriptures with the word hate. I have already dealt with this in post # 6.
 
God shows no signs of hatred for a sinner. Only their sin. Fact.


I agree God does not hate the sinner, He hates the SIN.

this is a lie straight from the pits of hell that have blinded you

it includes people as well. The reason is simple: sin cannot be separated from the sinner except by the forgiveness available in Christ alone. God hates lying, yes, but lying always involves a person—a liar—who chooses to lie. God cannot judge the lie without also judging the liar.

here is a good article if you want truth


God does not hate the sinner brother, He hates the sin. Lying is SIN.

God loves ALL the world, He hates SIN.

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

God Loves ALL the world and doesn't want any to be lost, He wants ALL to repent and have their sins wiped away, wiped clean, God will forgive and accept the vilest of sinners who come to Him, through Jesus, in total repentance. He does not hate the person, He wants to save them, He want to wipe away their sin and He will never remember them, He hates sin but loves the sinner, so much so He sent His one and only son to die for their sin, o that through Him they may be saved. MAY BE SAVED. God in His love gave us all a Free Will choice, to accept Him and have all sins wiped away, Jesus paid the price for their sins. OR, to remain in sin and pay the price themselves. God Loves ALL and gives us all the same Free Will Choice, not only that He gave us all our lifes to turn back to Him, right up to our last breath on earth.

BUT...

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

God is Love, He gave us all the same Free Will choice, He told us all the good and the bad, it is our choice, if we choose not to accept Jesus and God's Free Gift of Salvation, we have chosen to remain with sin, the world and the devil, it is therefore our choice if we receive the condemnation not God's.

We are wheat or chaff, we are sheep or goats, we belong to God or choose to remain in sin, with the devil as our father.
 
God does not hate the sinner brother, He hates the sin. Lying is SIN.

Not sure how you can separate sin that is un-repented and the sinner. God loves everyone who repents, that I agree with.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

Hosea 9:15
Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.

Again here is the word of God telling you he hates "them", that is people right?

Psalm 5:5-6
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.


and evil doers are people they are sinners who have not repented.

Psalm 5:5 says, “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.”
Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hate '"



notice Gods hate those who hate him, they are his enemy is the way I see it.
 
fantastic informative video on this complex subject.

I pray we all have a loving and open heart towards each other as we grow in Christ together, and not let our disagreements bring division. My apologies to anyone I have come across as harsh or in polite, in Jesus Name

 
Greetings brother

I appreciate what you are saying, I now see the angle you are coming from, but I feel I have to compare scripture with scripture when items appear to be different, we all have to do this.

Not sure how you can separate sin that is un-repented and the sinner. God loves everyone who repents, that I agree with.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

Hosea 9:15
Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.

Again here is the word of God telling you he hates "them", that is people right?

Above you quoted two verses in two books, for two people.

I quoted two verses together, that includes all God's children, lost and saved, which is quoted as the world, the people of the world.

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

I have to compare what is said regarding two people, at different times with the verses above which refer to the world.

Which tells me, For God so loved the world, every human created, which is a stronger and clearer emphasis on God's love for mankind.

Psalm 5:5-6
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.


and evil doers are people they are sinners who have not repented.

Psalm 5:5 says, “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.”
Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hate '"


notice Gods hate those who hate him, they are his enemy is the way I see it.


As stated previously... God does not hate the sinner, He hates the sin.

God does not hate the sinner brother, He hates the sin. Lying is SIN.

God loves ALL the world, He hates SIN.

Romans 5:8 (NKJV)
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

You have quoted above from Psalms, psalms are wonder writings, but they must be read in context, e.g. is it God speaking or the psalmist, is the psalmist lamenting and pouring his heart out to God.

Take psalm 5 you quote above for instance. This is a Psalmists plea to God, it is a please for help.

Psalm 5:1-12 (NKJV)
1 Give ear to my words, O LORD, Consider my meditation.
2 Give heed to the voice of my cry, My King and my God, For to You I will pray.

The psalmist cries out to God in his plea, to be heard.

3 My voice You shall hear in the morning, O LORD; In the morning I will direct it to You, And I will look up.

4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.
5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity.
6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

It is the psalmist that is stating here that God does not take pleasure in wickedness, it is part of the psalmist plea to God.

7 But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy; In fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple.

The psalmist contrasts himself to evil people, even though he recognizes that his access to God’s presence arises because of God’s grace, God's great and steadfast love [ḥesed]

8 Lead me, O LORD, in Your righteousness because of my enemies; Make Your way straight before my face.
9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; Their inward part is destruction; Their throat is an open tomb; They flatter with their tongue.
10 Pronounce them guilty, O God! Let them fall by their own counsels; Cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions, For they have rebelled against You.
11 But let all those rejoice who put their trust in You; Let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them; Let those also who love Your name Be joyful in You.
12 For You, O LORD, will bless the righteous; With favor You will surround him as with a shield.


I have not seen the video of Psalm 139 I will check later if it doesn't have sub titles I won't be able to hear it.

Reading the Psalm 139:1-24 we have

The psalmists plea to God. This psalm is one of the best-known and loved psalms. It is often read as a calm reflection on God’s omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. The psalmist wants God to search him and see there is no offence in him. The psalmist admits to God he cannot go anywhere without God knowing, he says where can I go, you know me, you created me, you vindicated me, so I do not feel the comments quoted are anything God has said, only what the psalmist has said to God, 'you hate all evil doers' etc.

It is worth sharing scriptures and discussing them together, thank you, but I do not see God's statements in the Psalms quoted, only the Psalmists, but in John 3:16:17 it is clear about God's love for mankind, ALL mankind.

God loves ALL sinners, but He hates the sin.

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

He gives ALL the people of the world the same choice,
- believe and be saved, sins forgiven, not condemned
- reject God's offer of Love, Salvation and Eternal life and receive the condemnation

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

God Loves us so much, He gives us a Free Will choice to believe or choose not to. The decision is ours not God's.

He wrote everything down beforehand, we have our lifetime to choose, right up to our last breath, we just don't know when that last breath will be.

Bless you
 
God hates the wicked!! psalm 11:5 and loves tho's who seek him proverbs 8:17 so I guess dat answers dat.
 
I pray we all have a loving and open heart towards each other as we grow in Christ together, and not let our disagreements bring division. My apologies to anyone I have come across as harsh or in polite, in Jesus Name


amen
 
fantastic informative video on this complex subject.

I pray we all have a loving and open heart towards each other as we grow in Christ together, and not let our disagreements bring division. My apologies to anyone I have come across as harsh or in polite, in Jesus Name


Dave,
the first part [1/2] was good and pointed in the right direction but then it changed to more a man adding some info that sounded a bit christianese and without going into a sidetrack, i think there are important 'points' left out of the 'recipe', so the broth lost it's savor.
However, for the purpose of the thread, as the video pointed out, read Ezekiel chapter 11.


Bless you brother ....><>

sorry it took me a while to get to it. A couple more heads and a less sore one that i have and i could better take it all in!
 
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