Elect according to the foreknowledge of God

[Luminary]

Yes, we see the glory of God in His creation. And it is written God created all things by His Wisdom, which is by His Word, which is by Jesus Christ.

But if you want to truly know God, you need to know His Word Jesus Christ. God’s Word is the express image of the invisible God. So in order to “see” the invisible God, and in order to know what God is like, we need to know His Word.

And in order to be brought back into His presence and behold His glory, we must do what He tells us to do, and be obedient and faithful to Him. If you are sincere in seeking God, do what He tells you to do faithfully.

The only book you need to focus on is the Holy Bible. And the only teacher you need is Christ . Reading other literature of men can corrupt one’s thinking. That is why there are so many different beliefs and denominations. Many have been “leavened” by the doctrines of men.

My advice to you is to dump and reboot, cast out the old leaven and seek God through faith in His Word Jesus Christ. Seek, knock, and ask.

Repent of your sins, bring forth fruit worthy of repentance. Keep His commandments and pray to the Father, and ask Him to give unto you His Holy Spirit.

God is true to keeping His promises, if you do what He tells you to do in His Word, and believe in Him who sent to die for your sins, then you will have faith in Jesus Christ. And those who truly believe in Him shall be given eternal life.

Peace

Yes. This is the starting point. The “introduction”. But the Word (His Word(s) only Testifies to was was given Though his creation. Because he never changes….
I am a Testamony to this myself.

But God also reveals himself to those that seek him.

He is SOOOOO much more than what was bound in the Bible. It’s painful for me to watch so many chain themselves to a Book. When he is Spirit and Life itself…

The difference Between A forest and mountains, and a Tropical beach….

For if you stay in the forest, even climbing the highest Mountain, you will never know of the Teal waters and white sandy Beaches….

You miss that, exploring all that there is, teaches you to walk by the Spirit, knowing that he looses none!
Showing you that which belongs to him, and that which belongs to man( own imagination)

Which builds that Trust stronger than carbon steel, and Makes that relationship truly unshakable. No matter the book. No matter the Culture. No matter the age….


There is separation between his people, because they are speaking for him, instead of letting him speak for himself. Ephesians just explained this. (Don’t live as the gentiles do!!!-in their darkened thinking…Separated from the LIFE of God!!!)

Neither did I start out with any doctrines. I stayed in the 1st 4 gospels for my first 2/3 years. Strictly alone Then went on to the letters. Then Revelation. Over a period of about 6/7 years. So my foundation was established. THEN I ventured out, to read everything that has the name Jesus on it. Or speaks of one accord too it.
Such as “putting off the old self”. Well, that’s Buddhism…
The death of the ego. The (g)nostic a, well that’s the workings of that inner ego….Egyptian/Hinduism….Well that the fullness of the Spiritual(ness) within us(if you can get past all the “gods” and listen to what they are actually speaking!)

It’s a journey to Self realization of our True nature.

Just as he gave the Hebrews the message of Salvation, and the revealing of himself through them(for a purpose-being stiffnecked and hardened people- to show his saving power) so also he gave to each culture a piece of himself. And just like the new and gentile make one, so also when other peices are out together that were given, Makes it complete. Like each culture was given a piece of himself. For us to all come together with what we have, to make it whole)
Not to confirm the world to One “culture” but to harmonize the diversity that we are. Every shade and color represented, to blend into the most beautiful rainbow you have ever seen. All part of each other. Yet one “being”(ness)

No one(or rather not many) really realizes what exactly Jesus Did.
And the time that has passed and where we are at. For it was already the end when he was here.

So my foundation IS Jesus. The Gospels, building their own doctrine. Never attached to any denominations.
Consumed with the name Jesus so much, I had to read everything that bears his name. Even if it was written on the back of a dumpster. I was compelled too.

And it has provided so much more than the Bible alone can reveal. For not all was written. He had to leave room, to step out on your faith, and seek it!
Hence….Ask, seek, knock….and it will be given!!!

They were preserved for a reason! For this day!
Is it any wonder that they were killed off and called blasphemous? Heretics?
Perhaps just like their Savior!?!?!?

But, to each their own

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

You brought up Esau's red hair first.

I said nothing about hair.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

So what would you say is A divine Nature?

That is God’s Holy nature

And what is the difference between Jesus and Christ…..

Jesus is the man, Christ is the Word that was made flesh in the man Jesus.

as there is a distinction made in Ephesians 4 20-21?

Paul is speaking of hearing the Living Word (Christ) and being taught by Him via the Spirit

And what to the instructions given all throughout Ephesians?

You need to narrow that down

And the consuming Of Jesus Flesh and blood?

The flesh of Jesus represents the bread of Life, which is the Word of Life. So eating His flesh is consuming His words. The blood of Jesus represents the New Testament or Testimony of Jesus Christ ,received from Him via the Holy Spirit.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Luminary said: Such as “putting off the old self”. Well, that’s Buddhism…
The death of the ego. The (g)nostic a, well that’s the workings of that inner ego….Egyptian/Hinduism….Well that the fullness of the Spiritual(ness) within us(if you can get past all the “gods” and listen to what they are actually speaking!)


That is where you went off course. God has given multiple warnings about serving other gods and taking up the beliefs and traditions of other nations.

 

[Luminary]

Luminary said: Such as “putting off the old self”. Well, that’s Buddhism…
The death of the ego. The (g)nostic a, well that’s the workings of that inner ego….Egyptian/Hinduism….Well that the fullness of the Spiritual(ness) within us(if you can get past all the “gods” and listen to what they are actually speaking!)


That is where you went off course. God has given multiple warnings about serving other gods and taking up the beliefs and traditions of other nations.

I said nothing of serving them. In fact I said if you can get past the “other gods” to what they are speaking”….

There is nothing wrong with listening. It’s what you do that counts! And by listening, in some instances, they do indeed speak of one accord….which means there is Light in them….as the golden rule echos through all of them….

Because there is Only One Spirit of Truth!

“Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is True! whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things—Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”

“If they speak not according to This Word, there is no Light in them”!

And according to that word, we are to change the attitude of our minds, (repent) and by consuming that which is…True, Noble, Right, Pure, Lovely, admirable, excellent and praiseworthy! ….to put into practice…. it may be well with us!

 

[Luminary]

That is God’s Holy nature

Jesus is the man, Christ is the Word that was made flesh in the man Jesus.

Paul is speaking of hearing the Living Word (Christ) and being taught by Him via the Spirit

You need to narrow that down

The flesh of Jesus represents the bread of Life, which is the Word of Life. So eating His flesh is consuming His words. The blood of Jesus represents the New Testament or Testimony of Jesus Christ ,received from Him via the Holy Spirit.

Lol…Holy Nature doesn’t explain anything.

What does it mean to be Divine?
Holy is an attribute of it. An effect of it. But then what does it mean to be Holy?

Not Quite on the Christ…
**Old English Crīst, from Latin Christus, from Greek Khristos, noun use of an adjective meaning ‘anointed’, from khriein ‘anoint’, translating Hebrew māšīaḥ‘Messiah’.

So when Jesus the Man, had the Spirit(dove) descend upon him, he became “anointed”….thus becoming the Christ….And the Promised Messiah.
Also the First fruits; An “anointed”Human. As the Spirit was poured out for all after that…thus making us “brothers/sisters” or a Child of God…
A New Creation

We were told that many Christs would come. But not to be deceived that it was Him personally.


What you speak of is the Logos.

1. the Word of God, or **principle of divine reason** and **creative order**, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate(or Manifested) in Jesus Christ.
   • (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgment, associated with the animus.

Origin

Greek, ‘word, reason’.
(Which is the Greek understanding of “The Word”)
Which is different from the Christ.

So with this understanding from the defined words above….

“That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.”

When you heard about Christ( being an “anointed human”) and we’re taught (in him- “within” by the Spirit of Truth) —in accordance—-(or one accord) WITH the Truth this is >in< Jesus….

So according to this, There were already “anointed humans” in the gentile world, that were taught the same way we are today(The Spirit within) that spoke of the same accord of the Truths that were spoken from Jesus.

Which is why they came to accept him in the First place. As there IS only one Truth! Way! And Life!(or Light!- that makes up Everything)

And that way…is by haveing the right heart. Which is provided in the instructions through Ephesians. Among many other places. It makes for a new heart and mind As we are creatures of habit. And by practicing them, you are literally changed by them. Also called principles for Living.

Also, concerning the bread and wine…representing the Word and the Life/or Spirit….

This was already established with Melchizedek, and exchanged with Abraham, before there was even an Israel to make a covenant with.

But you are close enough

The word of God,( bread from heaven) and the Spirit that gives life (Wine/blood shed) Too it!; Established from the Foundation of the World Therefore…Life Living! (By the every word of God!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Because there is Only One Spirit of Truth!

If they speak not according to This Word, there is no Light in them”!

You missed this part….

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Lol…Holy Nature doesn’t explain anything.

What does it mean to be Divine?
Holy is an attribute of it. An effect of it. But then what does it mean to be Holy?

Not Quite on the Christ…
**Old English Crīst, from Latin Christus, from Greek Khristos, noun use of an adjective meaning ‘anointed’, from khriein ‘anoint’, translating Hebrew māšīaḥ‘Messiah’.

So when Jesus the Man, had the Spirit(dove) descend upon him, he became “anointed”….thus becoming the Christ….And the Promised Messiah.
Also the First fruits; An “anointed”Human. As the Spirit was poured out for all after that…thus making us “brothers/sisters” or a Child of God…
A New Creation

We were told that many Christs would come. But not to be deceived that it was Him personally.


What you speak of is the Logos.

1. the Word of God, or **principle of divine reason** and **creative order**, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate(or Manifested) in Jesus Christ.
   • (in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgment, associated with the animus.

Origin

Greek, ‘word, reason’.
(Which is the Greek understanding of “The Word”)
Which is different from the Christ.

So with this understanding from the defined words above….

“That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.”

When you heard about Christ( being an “anointed human”) and we’re taught (in him- “within” by the Spirit of Truth) —in accordance—-(or one accord) WITH the Truth this is >in< Jesus….

So according to this, There were already “anointed humans” in the gentile world, that were taught the same way we are today(The Spirit within) that spoke of the same accord of the Truths that were spoken from Jesus.

Which is why they came to accept him in the First place. As there IS only one Truth! Way! And Life!(or Light!- that makes up Everything)

And that way…is by haveing the right heart. Which is provided in the instructions through Ephesians. Among many other places. It makes for a new heart and mind As we are creatures of habit. And by practicing them, you are literally changed by them. Also called principles for Living.

Also, concerning the bread and wine…representing the Word and the Life/or Spirit….

This was already established with Melchizedek, and exchanged with Abraham, before there was even an Israel to make a covenant with.

But you are close enough

The word of God,( bread from heaven) and the Spirit that gives life (Wine/blood shed) Too it!; Established from the Foundation of the World Therefore…Life Living! (By the every word of God!

Luke 5:36-39​

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King James Version​

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36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

 

[Luminary]

You missed this part….

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I didn’t

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
>>>do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, <<<

even though they do not have the law. 15So

>> they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them <<

16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel.

That is not possible without The Spirit of God within them already…The Divine nature that has to be “fertilized” and grown into…

The Testimony is unto Salvation!
Neither did he come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners. For it is not the healthy that need a doctor!

 

[Luminary]

Luke 5:36-39​

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King James Version​

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36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Right…

In other words….Empty your cup, (ego) before you fill it…else it over flows and you have a great mess…

There are many ways to explain the same concept.

 

[Luminary]

I didn’t

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
>>>do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, <<<

even though they do not have the law. 15So

>> they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them <<

16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel.

That is not possible without The Spirit of God within them already…The Divine nature that has to be “fertilized” and grown into…

The Testimony is into Salvation!

Luke 5:36-39​

​

King James Version​

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36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

If you do not know, it’s ok to say you don’t know…

It seems like you are skirting the issue here SotM…avoiding answering these questions directly.

Again…Not everything was written…

“The Holy Spirit will give you the words to say at the moment when you need them.”

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I didn’t

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
>>>do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, <<<

even though they do not have the law. 15So

>> they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them <<

16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus,b as proclaimed by my gospel.

That is not possible without The Spirit of God within them already…The Divine nature that has to be “fertilized” and grown into…

The Testimony is unto Salvation!
Neither did he come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners. For it is not the healthy that need a doctor!

Love fulfills the law. If you love God you will keep His commandments. If you love your neighbor you will not sin against him.

On these 2 hang all the law and prophets. But in order to fulfill these 2 you must have the Love of God dwelling in your heart by His Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Right…

In other words….Empty your cup, (ego) before you fill it…else it over flows and you have a great mess…

There are many ways to explain the same concept.

You need to be made a “new vessel” so you can receive and retain the new wine= The New Living Covenant= The “Testimony of Jesus Christ” via the Holy Spirit.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

If you do not know, it’s ok to say you don’t know…

Don’t know what?

It seems like you are skirting the issue here SotM…avoiding answering these questions directly.

What was the question?

Again…Not everything was written…

Books could not contain everything that was said.

“The Holy Spirit will give you the words to say at the moment when you need them.”

If so be you have the Spirit.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Luminary]

You need to be made a “new vessel” so you can receive and retain the new wine= The New Living Covenant= The “Testimony of Jesus Christ” via the Holy Spirit.

You are adding what’s not there.

Wine represents the Spirit of God; Life itself!
(Don’t get drunk on it!!!!!)

**You cannot recognize God in you when all you see is yourself. So you have to empty yourself, in order for God to be recognized within you.
And once this is done, (because it was done from the inside out, instead of outside in; changes your flesh! Because the instructions that are in your DNA, get rewritten, (by choice and practice) thus so does the rest of your skin)


And with Jesus comparing ‘this’ wine, to his blood that he seals ‘this ‘ convent with….He is pouring out Life into all mankind for all whom will receive it. Since Life IS found in the Blood! Live! “I” provided The way!(To Follow and put into practice!!!; Stop Dying!!!- It starts on the inside and manifests on the outside!!!)

Let me ask you this if I may…For this was the catalyst to my “branching out”…..

Can you point out to me, where the Bible talks about the workings of the Spirit? What exactly it is? How exactly to work with it? Without all the ambiguity?
Truly!

Because all I have been able to find is that it IS. And is Holy, Righteous, Speaks and guides to all Truth. Is the provider and sustainer of Life itself. In all it’s many forms.
Just descriptive qualities and promises(that do get filled

I have truly had the hardest time understanding the. Spirit of God; how it’s recognized, and how to work with it. Because I have found a famine of it when it comes to this subject in the Bible. Christian’s period. Except when you get into the mysticism aspect of it. Of any of them; For they all have them. Far and few between. This has been the place that I have found more answers; though even more questions…lol
But a beautiful Journey

I find it odd myself, that when it comes to speaking of esoteric things, Or the study of mysticism, (The Study of the Spirit- and how to use it) all “hell” seems to rain down upon you, and every name of the devil thrown at you… and also odd, that none of it is found in the body that calls itself by his name.

No one knows it. Very rarely do I hear it. It weighs heavy…

 

[Luminary]

Love fulfills the law. If you love God you will keep His commandments. If you love your neighbor you will not sin against him.

On these 2 hang all the law and prophets. But in order to fulfill these 2 you must have the Love of God dwelling in your heart by His Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Indeed!

And because Humans carry the Spirit of Life within them, they have the capability and capacity of Eternity within them. It’s what causes them to search in the first place. It’s what allows them to be convicted to stop dying!!!

Thus fulfilling the requirements of the law For Flesh!!! By Living by the Laws of the Spirit; For it transcends Flesh!!!!

For you could not be reading right now, nor type to be able to respond.
Spirit Says to my Spirit; I AM THAT! Which struggles with the desires of ‘This’ Body.

 

[Luminary]

Don’t know what?

What was the question?

Books could not contain everything that was said.

If so be you have the Spirit.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What does it mean to be divine?
What is Holy? What does Holy Mean?

If books could not contain everything that was said, then why do you chain yourself too one? Especially when our God is diversified?!

So then, by the very words of God, you judge yourself not to have grown; Stunted…..Since you speak from your traditions!
For the Spirit does indeed give the words. Because you speak from your heart (mind) and not your brain(mind). As this is where that Spirit dwells and Lives

Heart stops; So does everything else!!!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

You are adding what’s not there.

Wine represents the Spirit of God; Life itself!
(Don’t get drunk on it!!!!!)

**You cannot recognize God in you when all you see is yourself. So you have to empty yourself, in order for God to be recognized within you.
And once this is done, (because it was done from the inside out, instead of outside in; changes your flesh! Because the instructions that are in your DNA, get rewritten, (by choice and practice) thus so does the rest of your skin)


And with Jesus comparing ‘this’ wine, to his blood that he seals ‘this ‘ convent with….He is pouring out Life into all mankind for all whom will receive it. Since Life IS found in the Blood! Live! “I” provided The way!(To Follow and put into practice!!!; Stop Dying!!!- It starts on the inside and manifests on the outside!!!)

The Old Covenant was written on stone, the New "Living" Covenant is written on the fleshy tables of our heart. The Old was signified by the token (sign) of an outward fleshy circumcision done by the hands of man. The New Living Covenant is ministered to us by the "Living" Word of God dwelling "in" us, (Christ in us) and is written on our hearts and minds by the circumcision of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said those who truly believed in Him, out of their bellies shall come forth "Living waters".

Now many have read the words contained in the New Testament, but fewer yet have truly "received" and "retained" them, this is because they have yet to made a "new creation" in Christ. For "new wine" must be put into "new wine skins" and both are preserved. Just as many have read the words contained in the New Testament, but not many have truly "heard" those words and come to truly "understand" them in their hearts and minds. This is because their ears are also yet to be "circumcised" by the Holy Spirit; therefore remains the "fleshy veil" covering their hearts and minds. This new "Living" Covenant is shown in Hebrews 10:20 "By a new and "Living way", which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;

Without the "Living Word and Spirit of God" dwelling "in" a man, a man can be ever learning by "worldly" knowledge but never able to come to the full knowledge of the Truth. Like the body is dead without the spirit, it is the Spirit that brings "to Life" an understanding in us that surpasses all of man’s carnal knowledge.

Having the eyes of our understanding "illuminated" by the Oil of gladness, the Spirit like a fire lights the lamp of God’s words in us so that we may now know, see, hear, and understand them. And in being given understanding by the Spirit, we are also then able to bear good fruit through the Vine of Life, which is Christ our righteousness working "in" us.

The Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit what is the acceptable will of God. It is by God’s Living Word and Spirit dwelling "in" us that we now have a heart and mind like Christ. When God’s Living Word and Spirit enter into your house, the darkness will soon flee because the Light of the Truth will "illuminate" the insides of your house. The darkness has no place in the Light, just as the lies of men have no place in the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit will guide you into all Truth, and will also show you and guide you in "the Way" in which you should walk, "listen" to Him.

If the Living Word and Spirit of God dwells "in" you, your conscience will be washed and purged clean of all impure thoughts and evil works and desires; even giving you a pure and holy conscience after being cleansed. Only then will you be able to bring into captivity "every thought" into the obedience of Christ.

Hebrews 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself with spot to God, "purge your conscience" from "dead works" (=sin) to serve the Living God. Hebrews 10:2 "For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged "should have had no more conscience of sins." (clean conscience)

If the inside of the vessel is first made clean by Christ, then the outside of the vessel shall also be made clean. Blessed are "the pure in heart": for they shall see God.

Let me ask you this if I may…For this was the catalyst to my “branching out”…..

Can you point out to me, where the Bible talks about the workings of the Spirit? What exactly it is? How exactly to work with it? Without all the ambiguity?
Truly!

Because all I have been able to find is that it IS. And is Holy, Righteous, Speaks and guides to all Truth. Is the provider and sustainer of Life itself. In all it’s many forms.
Just descriptive qualities and promises(that do get filled

I have truly had the hardest time understanding the. Spirit of God; how it’s recognized, and how to work with it. Because I have found a famine of it when it comes to this subject in the Bible. Christian’s period. Except when you get into the mysticism aspect of it. Of any of them; For they all have them. Far and few between. This has been the place that I have found more answers; though even more questions…lol
But a beautiful Journey

I find it odd myself, that when it comes to speaking of esoteric things, Or the study of mysticism, (The Study of the Spirit- and how to use it) all “hell” seems to rain down upon you, and every name of the devil thrown at you… and also odd, that none of it is found in the body that calls itself by his name.

No one knows it. Very rarely do I hear it. It weighs heavy…

Corinthians 12

King James Version

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

What does it mean to be divine?
What is Holy? What does Holy Mean?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If books could not contain everything that was said, then why do you chain yourself too one? Especially when our God is diversified?!

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Manshall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So then, by the very words of God, you judge yourself not to have grown; Stunted…..Since you speak from your traditions!

1 Corinthians 4:3
But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

For the Spirit does indeed give the words. Because you speak from your heart (mind) and not your brain(mind).

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Luminary]

The Old Covenant was written on stone, the New "Living" Covenant is written on the fleshy tables of our heart. The Old was signified by the token (sign) of an outward fleshy circumcision done by the hands of man. The New Living Covenant is ministered to us by the "Living" Word of God dwelling "in" us, (Christ in us) and is written on our hearts and minds by the circumcision of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said those who truly believed in Him, out of their bellies shall come forth "Living waters".

Now many have read the words contained in the New Testament, but fewer yet have truly "received" and "retained" them, this is because they have yet to made a "new creation" in Christ. For "new wine" must be put into "new wine skins" and both are preserved. Just as many have read the words contained in the New Testament, but not many have truly "heard" those words and come to truly "understand" them in their hearts and minds. This is because their ears are also yet to be "circumcised" by the Holy Spirit; therefore remains the "fleshy veil" covering their hearts and minds. This new "Living" Covenant is shown in Hebrews 10:20 "By a new and "Living way", which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;

Without the "Living Word and Spirit of God" dwelling "in" a man, a man can be ever learning by "worldly" knowledge but never able to come to the full knowledge of the Truth. Like the body is dead without the spirit, it is the Spirit that brings "to Life" an understanding in us that surpasses all of man’s carnal knowledge.

Having the eyes of our understanding "illuminated" by the Oil of gladness, the Spirit like a fire lights the lamp of God’s words in us so that we may now know, see, hear, and understand them. And in being given understanding by the Spirit, we are also then able to bear good fruit through the Vine of Life, which is Christ our righteousness working "in" us.

The Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit what is the acceptable will of God. It is by God’s Living Word and Spirit dwelling "in" us that we now have a heart and mind like Christ. When God’s Living Word and Spirit enter into your house, the darkness will soon flee because the Light of the Truth will "illuminate" the insides of your house. The darkness has no place in the Light, just as the lies of men have no place in the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit will guide you into all Truth, and will also show you and guide you in "the Way" in which you should walk, "listen" to Him.

If the Living Word and Spirit of God dwells "in" you, your conscience will be washed and purged clean of all impure thoughts and evil works and desires; even giving you a pure and holy conscience after being cleansed. Only then will you be able to bring into captivity "every thought" into the obedience of Christ.

Hebrews 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself with spot to God, "purge your conscience" from "dead works" (=sin) to serve the Living God. Hebrews 10:2 "For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged "should have had no more conscience of sins." (clean conscience)

If the inside of the vessel is first made clean by Christ, then the outside of the vessel shall also be made clean. Blessed are "the pure in heart": for they shall see God.

Corinthians 12​

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

It was written on the ‘stone” of their hearts.

Ezekiel 36:26
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

2 Corinthians 7:10
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

But besides the point, as the bread and wine were already present with Melchizedek…Before….any covenant was Established!

Neither does Corinthians answer my questions. As all it gives is the gifts given. Not how to use them. Not how to recognize them. Not how to follow Spirit into all this Truth through them…

I already said I spent a few years in the letters. It was 6/7 year study of the NT. So unless I missed something, which is very possible, I’ve already searched this, and found no answer to these questions in what was written.


“The Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit what is the acceptable will of God.”

Not quite,

“The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God”
Romans 8:16

“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
Romans 12:2

He reveals his will to those that seek and listen for it.