evidence for god
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Good morning Zendra;
Truthfully, there is no direct physical evidence that God exists. He cannot be directly discerned by our five senses. WRT to Evolution, one generation is all that any animal species has to survive. Without reproduction in a predictable manner, no species can survive. Above that, something paranormal has to occur for any animal to evolve into another.
Can God be discerned through Nature? Certainly. Can God be discerned through us? Certainly. For the most part, it's the latter which largely influences others. Science is about the study of predictable events. Evolution is not a predictable event. The only predictable thing about Evolution that a scientist can say is it's unpredictable and therefore cannot be trusted to produce consistent results.
Is God predictable? Can he be trusted? Can you trust him? Or, is your life mainly coincidences? Which is most certain or predictable in your walk with God? Can people see something definite in your spirit that is lacking in their own?
Cheers,
John
Truthfully, there is no direct physical evidence that God exists. He cannot be directly discerned by our five senses. WRT to Evolution, one generation is all that any animal species has to survive. Without reproduction in a predictable manner, no species can survive. Above that, something paranormal has to occur for any animal to evolve into another.
Can God be discerned through Nature? Certainly. Can God be discerned through us? Certainly. For the most part, it's the latter which largely influences others. Science is about the study of predictable events. Evolution is not a predictable event. The only predictable thing about Evolution that a scientist can say is it's unpredictable and therefore cannot be trusted to produce consistent results.
Is God predictable? Can he be trusted? Can you trust him? Or, is your life mainly coincidences? Which is most certain or predictable in your walk with God? Can people see something definite in your spirit that is lacking in their own?
Cheers,
John
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For those that know God no proof is needed as He walks with us, talks with us and the supernatural is quite natural. To those who do not wish to see no amount of proof will ever really convince them.
That being said evolution is basically unsound in this; left to themselves things deteriorate and decay. Many species are easily proven to have become extinct yet there is no real proof of one evolving into another.
Evolution is in fact theory but taught as fact.
A simple cell is a more complex organism that a General Motors auto manufacturing plant so is it really easier to assume that that miracle (each and every cell a miracle?) happened by random chance or is it more reasonable to assume that they were indeed designed by intelligence well beyond the puny scope of man's comprehension?
But for proof of God let us look at the most documented personage in history that being Jesus Christ God's own Son.
Jesus own enemies testify to His miracles. Though in their own minds they had everything to loose by His being recognized as Lord they simply could not deny the awesome power of the miracles He did. These were witnessed by tens of thousands of people and trying to deny them would make those people look foolish. Raising the dead, calming the seas, multiplying the resources brought to Him, all these were witnessed by multitudes. They were forced to look for other ways of discrediting Him calling them the work of the devil and thus testifying that the things they feared (the reality of His divinity) were indeed a reality.
Then as mentioned earlier there were the prophesies He fulfilled . These were written over thousands of years and in many nations yet Jesus Christ fulfilled over 300 Messianic prophecies alone.
That being said evolution is basically unsound in this; left to themselves things deteriorate and decay. Many species are easily proven to have become extinct yet there is no real proof of one evolving into another.
Evolution is in fact theory but taught as fact.
A simple cell is a more complex organism that a General Motors auto manufacturing plant so is it really easier to assume that that miracle (each and every cell a miracle?) happened by random chance or is it more reasonable to assume that they were indeed designed by intelligence well beyond the puny scope of man's comprehension?
But for proof of God let us look at the most documented personage in history that being Jesus Christ God's own Son.
Jesus own enemies testify to His miracles. Though in their own minds they had everything to loose by His being recognized as Lord they simply could not deny the awesome power of the miracles He did. These were witnessed by tens of thousands of people and trying to deny them would make those people look foolish. Raising the dead, calming the seas, multiplying the resources brought to Him, all these were witnessed by multitudes. They were forced to look for other ways of discrediting Him calling them the work of the devil and thus testifying that the things they feared (the reality of His divinity) were indeed a reality.
Then as mentioned earlier there were the prophesies He fulfilled . These were written over thousands of years and in many nations yet Jesus Christ fulfilled over 300 Messianic prophecies alone.
JHM good story, it does hint at something beyond what we know, maybe im just trying to be skeptical
By the way I was hoping to keep bible quotes to a minimum(lol on a christian forum) as i think the bibles validity is another topic.
would anyone be interested in setting up a thread espically for evolution, ill do it if i know people will join in.
I see your point from what i wrote above but please give me a shot
By the way I was hoping to keep bible quotes to a minimum(lol on a christian forum) as i think the bibles validity is another topic.
would anyone be interested in setting up a thread espically for evolution, ill do it if i know people will join in.
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The Apostle Paul answered that question in Rom 1:19-20.
"There are none so blind as those who will not (refuse to) see." - Shakespeare
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"There are none so blind as those who will not (refuse to) see." - Shakespeare
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The question I was referring to is your original question about evidence of God's existence.
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Good point there Ed. And for what people ought to be able to see, but very few do, see my post to this thread :
East Coast - Christian-Forum.net - Page 17
Kinda simple really. Over two thousand years ago, somebody knew :
1) The G7 would have world wide authority.
2) It would be composed of seven voting members, (Heads) :
a) 5 of whom would be ex world great powers, (Heads that are mountain that are Kings who have fallen) : France, Italy, Germany, Japan, & England
b) 1 of whom would be a currant world great power, (a Head that is a Mountain that is a King that is) : The United States
c) 1 of whom that has never been a world great power, (a Head that is a Mountain that is aKing that has not yet come),: Canada
d) One non voting member that "was and is not", (Was a world great power but is no longer accounted as such) : Russia
2) That Russia would hate the United States and eventually destroy it by use of Nuclear Weapons..
3) That this would result in a "Nuclear Winter" scenario.
etc. etc. That is a lot to know over 2000 years ago. If not GOD, then who ?
1) The G7 would have world wide authority.
2) It would be composed of seven voting members, (Heads) :
a) 5 of whom would be ex world great powers, (Heads that are mountain that are Kings who have fallen) : France, Italy, Germany, Japan, & England
b) 1 of whom would be a currant world great power, (a Head that is a Mountain that is a King that is) : The United States
c) 1 of whom that has never been a world great power, (a Head that is a Mountain that is aKing that has not yet come),: Canada
d) One non voting member that "was and is not", (Was a world great power but is no longer accounted as such) : Russia
2) That Russia would hate the United States and eventually destroy it by use of Nuclear Weapons..
3) That this would result in a "Nuclear Winter" scenario.
etc. etc. That is a lot to know over 2000 years ago. If not GOD, then who ?
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I think in keeping it simple, I know right from wrong. No one has to tell me this. I simply know it.
The fact that we have a conscience and instinctively know right or wrong points to the Creator. God.
Then just look around at the earth , all the animals and trees and bugs some of which I wonder why like mosquito's . But you can realize these things did not just go poof and appear. Nor did they or us crawl out of a pool of slime. I have been all over the world and some of the animals and birds are so spectacular, they were created, some of the sea creatures such as the Sea Dragon once you see one you know without question it was created.
God will call to you one day, that is the ultimate proof, and if you would pick up the Bible and read it front to back, the word will talk to you and prove beyond any doubt that God exists. God is spirit, not a physical thing, best I can explain it.
I think the very best thing for anyone searching is to just read Gods Word. Start with the New Testament, it takes understanding to understand the old testament and apply it , so yes pick up the New Testament and read it. That will answer all you seek.
I like the 3rd verse of John. Read that one, read the whole book but that one has always stood out to me to explain creation, but each of us is spoken too in a different way.
Kit
The fact that we have a conscience and instinctively know right or wrong points to the Creator. God.
Then just look around at the earth , all the animals and trees and bugs some of which I wonder why like mosquito's . But you can realize these things did not just go poof and appear. Nor did they or us crawl out of a pool of slime. I have been all over the world and some of the animals and birds are so spectacular, they were created, some of the sea creatures such as the Sea Dragon once you see one you know without question it was created.
God will call to you one day, that is the ultimate proof, and if you would pick up the Bible and read it front to back, the word will talk to you and prove beyond any doubt that God exists. God is spirit, not a physical thing, best I can explain it.
I think the very best thing for anyone searching is to just read Gods Word. Start with the New Testament, it takes understanding to understand the old testament and apply it , so yes pick up the New Testament and read it. That will answer all you seek.
I like the 3rd verse of John. Read that one, read the whole book but that one has always stood out to me to explain creation, but each of us is spoken too in a different way.
Kit
Sure you can do that, but you cannot justify that in your atheistic worldview. Look, in atheism there is nothing abstract, all is there is materials that reacts to produce all we see. Laws of math, Logic, Morality are not material. So how can you justify them in your worldview? :shock:
you love to hate,don't you? or you hate to love,don't you?
how can you hate and love at the same time?
hate and love are not happy at all.
cuz when you did them at the same time,you were not happy at all.
you hate to hate ,can you? of course,you can't.Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.
cuz when love,it's just love.Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
it's enough to prove that there is one god who first love us everyone.
Exo 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
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And you believe God, don't you?
To soberxp, no i don't like hating, i don't believe i hate anything. I can get annoyed with things. On the other side im not sure if iv felt love either or cannot recognize it, perhaps it gives you more conviction and faith in where you believe its coming from.
To evstevemd im not quite sure what you mean by believe god. I do beleive in a god though i have suspicions that it is a fear of burning my bridges mixed with fear of no afterlife that stop me from completely cutting loose. If i knew there was a god and i knew he was talking to me then sure i would believe him.
To evstevemd im not quite sure what you mean by believe god. I do beleive in a god though i have suspicions that it is a fear of burning my bridges mixed with fear of no afterlife that stop me from completely cutting loose. If i knew there was a god and i knew he was talking to me then sure i would believe him.
