evidence for god

[soberxp]

To soberxp, no i don't like hating, i don't believe i hate anything. I can get annoyed with things. On the other side im not sure if iv felt love either or cannot recognize it, perhaps it gives you more conviction and faith in where you believe its coming from.

To evstevemd im not quite sure what you mean by believe god. I do beleive in a god though i have suspicions that it is a fear of burning my bridges mixed with fear of no afterlife that stop me from completely cutting loose. If i knew there was a god and i knew he was talking to me then sure i would believe him.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Job 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus who is the image of god.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of every creature: LOVE

Jesus on the Cross.he is the Spiritual law.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
ten commandments. in chinese 十 ten 十 Cross
so Mary has done a lot for the law.that's why she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

 

[evstevemd]

To evstevemd im not quite sure what you mean by believe god. I do beleive in a god though i have suspicions that it is a fear of burning my bridges mixed with fear of no afterlife that stop me from completely cutting loose. If i knew there was a god and i knew he was talking to me then sure i would believe him.

May be to understand better your concern I must ask some probing questions:
1. Are you an atheist?
2. If no, do you believe in the God of the bible
3. if you do, why do you believe in Him?
4. Were you raised in Bible believing Christian Home?

these question will give me shade of light of where to go next in the thread.
May God bless you

 

[Zendra]

1. No though I accept any evidence disproving one
2. I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus though I think of the god as the same one mentioned in the bible.
3. Because I was raised to believe it and because of the worry i mention about not burning my bridges and about dying.
4. yes though it was relaxed.

 

[evstevemd]

Now, I want to be sure I get your question right:
1. You are not an atheist, but you doubt if there is "really" a God out there
2. You believe in the Father But not Jesus' deity (What about Holy Spirit? I'm interested to know this too).
3. You believe in God in fear of hell and after life

I want to answer the question you have asked than answer my made up queastion. I hope you will bear with me

 

[soberxp]

1. No though I accept any evidence disproving one
2. I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus though I think of the god as the same one mentioned in the bible.
3. Because I was raised to believe it and because of the worry i mention about not burning my bridges and about dying.
4. yes though it was relaxed.

The GRACE of GOD <----- check it out "I did the google work and found these pics,and I myself is Graphic Image Production designer,I can tell you these pics are not specially effect by Hollywood"they have no the technical ,cuz their specially effect technical has blunt features about cloud.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Jesus on the Cross.he is the Spiritual law.

It looks as if you are leaning in the theological direction of the Judaizers Paul was opposing when he wrote Galatians. The Old Testament law was spiritual (see Ro 7:14),so, to see Jesus on the cross as a law is contrary to salvation by grace (see Eph 2:8-9)

SLE

 

[Zendra]

To evstevemd, yes that sounds about right. I cant comment on the holy spirit as i never quite understood excatly what it was.


To soberxp, I had a look at the photos and while yes they look nice Ill point out that this is cherry picking suitable clouds when clouds are known to take many shapes. You could probably also find ones that supported other religions.

 

[soberxp]

It looks as if you are leaning in the theological direction of the Judaizers Paul was opposing when he wrote Galatians. The Old Testament law was spiritual (see Ro 7:14),so, to see Jesus on the cross as a law is contrary to salvation by grace (see Eph 2:8-9)

SLE

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Job 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus who is the image of god.the law is one word love.

salvation fulfilled in love.
law is fulfilled in love.
but Jesus just is salvation? no,Jesus is love.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Pro 23:23 buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

sold under sin,buy the truth,and sell it not.this is just so call salvation and the law is spiritual(the holy spirit)
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Eph 2:8-9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Not of works:this is meaning the works which before you creating yourself in christ.

lest any man should boast:Look,the sinner in christ, before the sinner is no more good works than mine.

Eph 2:8-9:this is not telling us,we don't need good work in Christ.

do u understand my bro?

To evstevemd, yes that sounds about right. I cant comment on the holy spirit as i never quite understood excatly what it was.


To soberxp, I had a look at the photos and while yes they look nice Ill point out that this is cherry picking suitable clouds when clouds are known to take many shapes. You could probably also find ones that supported other religions.

okay! then find ones that supported other religions. to me.................my friend
(I told you I did the baidu(google) work .............but I didn't find any ones that supported other religions)

 

[Zendra]

Well ill give it to you, I haven't found any cloud pictures that i know support any other religion. However (not to sound a bad loser) i have found many pictures that could be taken in a spiritual way. I have copied some on a word document and will post it if you can tell me a way.

 

[soberxp]

Well ill give it to you, I haven't found any cloud pictures that i know support any other religion. However (not to sound a bad loser) i have found many pictures that could be taken in a spiritual way. I have copied some on a word document and will post it if you can tell me a way.

upload them to your albums at your profile@TJ.

 

[evstevemd]

Now, I want to be sure I get your question right:
1. You are not an atheist, but you doubt if there is "really" a God out there
2. You believe in the Father But not Jesus' deity (What about Holy Spirit? I'm interested to know this too).
3. You believe in God in fear of hell and after life

I want to answer the question you have asked than answer my made up queastion. I hope you will bear with me

Ok,
I will presume you believe in Authority of the Bible as inerrant, infallible Word of God. Now you don't need to live in fear. In short God created the universe, He owns it and He makes the rules. He have given us ten rules (Exo 20) which are famously known as Ten Commandments. Now All of humanity is in trouble because at some point they have broken the rules.

And God, whose standard is quiet high compared to our human judges, has to punish every sin. You see we are all doomed to Judgment. Let see what kind of judgment we face. If I offend my fellow citizen, I get a punishment. If I offend the president with the same offense, punishment is even harsher. What about offending infinite God? You get it, infinite punishment in Hell. So God is justified by sending us to hell.

Again if God is loving God, and He knows that we can't help ourselves, He should have done something right? Yes He is and He did! God, without ceasing being God became a man in the person of Jesus Christ and died to pay the debt. Since Jesus was a man, He could pay debt for His fellow Men. And since He is infinite God, He could pay our infinite debt. then we come to my final part.

God gives us choices. While the debt was full paid once and for all, He should give freedom to those who don't want their debt paid and want to pay forever for themselves. That is why He did put Simple condition in Romans that you should confess with your mouth and believe with your heart. Also repenting (turning from sin).

If Jesus is not God, we still have the problem of Sin. For finite man cannot pay for infinite debt. Holy Spirit is God, co-equal with the Father and the Son, Jesus.

So basically you don't need to fear! Choose the place you want to be once your death takes over and embrace that with love.
Whether heaven or hell you choose.

If I'm unclear at any point or have question, just ask!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Eph 2:8-9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Not of works:this is meaning the works which before you creating yourself in christ.

I did not "create myself in Christ". I turned my will and my life over to Jesus Christ and His Spirit (The Holy Spirit) does the "creating" work with my cooperation.

SLE

 

[soberxp]

I did not "create myself in Christ". I turned my will and my life over to Jesus Christ and His Spirit (The Holy Spirit) does the "creating" work with my cooperation.

SLE

:coocoo:that's what I was trying to say

 

[kyval82]

Hi.

Well.. as most christains, we can see the sign of God everywhere we go! In all parts of our lives GOD is there with us.

I think that the instantaneous apperance of the heartbeat is such wonderful work of GOD! What else besides GOD can make a heart begin to beat!?!
No science can explain it, it just happens, and i feel it happens by the Lord.

How about the way that our world is the only one that we have ever found that has the only perfect conditions to sustain intelligent life?! not bacteria, not fungus, but humans!

How about how the seasons change,

or how we have emotions!!!!!

I see GOD everywhere!

 

[RJ]

i know there is some evidence opposing evolution theory but i was wondering what kind of evidence there is of an actual god or bible history. Thanks

The one true God is not learned by evidence, he is learned through expsposure to his Spirit.

I am convinced of two things:

1. If you read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation with a open heart and mind, you will know that it is about Jesus Christ from begining to end and that no man or men could put together a story like the Bible. It is an intricate puzzle that fits perfectly and could only be God conspired as it says. If you do this I promise God will reveal himself to you.

2. Other wise, If you were ever to honestly seek God out, knowing the truth about the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and recieve him in your heart by faith, you will be saved. And when you have the living God, living in you, you will have no doubt about his existence and from that time forward, you will not be able to put the Bible down again.

 

[soberxp]

Hi.

Well.. as most christains, we can see the sign of God everywhere we go! In all parts of our lives GOD is there with us.

I think that the instantaneous apperance of the heartbeat is such wonderful work of GOD! What else besides GOD can make a heart begin to beat!?!
No science can explain it, it just happens, and i feel it happens by the Lord.

How about the way that our world is the only one that we have ever found that has the only perfect conditions to sustain intelligent life?! not bacteria, not fungus, but humans!

How about how the seasons change,

or how we have emotions!!!!!

I see GOD everywhere!

What else besides GOD can make a heart begin to beat!?! wonderful work of GOD!

 

[Zendra]

To evstevemd; sorry if you misunderstood, most of the reason i don't believe in the divinity of Jesus is because i don't believe in the validity of the bible.

To kyval82: I agree the sudden start of the heart is amazing however i think you have mixed up "no science can explain it" with "it hasn't yet been explained". Give it time and i believe a reason will be found.
In terms of planets, how many have we searched? what percentage of all likely planets is that?
You may have to clarify what you mean by the seasons change, to me it sounds like being amazed at how being closer to the sun feels hotter.

To RJ: You say that no man or men could put the bible together, however iv been lead to believe that there were many books and accounts, only some of which were chosen to be in the final bible. Also there are quite a few reported contradictions in the bible, Im aware some have been explained but would it not be easier to ommit them altogether?

 

[Zendra]

By the way iv added some of the photos if anyone wants to discuss

 

[RJ]

To evstevemd; sorry if you misunderstood, most of the reason i don't believe in the divinity of Jesus is because i don't believe in the validity of the bible.

To kyval82: I agree the sudden start of the heart is amazing however i think you have mixed up "no science can explain it" with "it hasn't yet been explained". Give it time and i believe a reason will be found.
In terms of planets, how many have we searched? what percentage of all likely planets is that?
You may have to clarify what you mean by the seasons change, to me it sounds like being amazed at how being closer to the sun feels hotter.

To RJ: You say that no man or men could put the bible together, however iv been lead to believe that there were many books and accounts, only some of which were chosen to be in the final bible. Also there are quite a few reported contradictions in the bible, Im aware some have been explained but would it not be easier to ommit them altogether?

I have had enough experience to fully understand that all this is foolishness to a non-believer.

Our trust in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is not and never will be based on science or historical data; it is based on something we call "Faith" and is not meant for you to understand. But , I will give in to you and give this one fact to ponder the odds:
All of the Apostels, except John ( old age got him) died completely separated, all alone, died horrible deaths, and not one would publically deny Jesus in the end. Not even the anti-Semite, anti-Christian Muslim denies that Jesus existed.

I am not and will never be a Bible expert and thus can not answer all your questions or doubts but, I do know this:
Our God is not some grand "Puppeteer", he has and will continue to work through man. If you were to really read and know the Bible in it's entirety, you would know man could not put this kind of truth together because that kind of truth is simply not in man.

This one last thing to think about, think why you are here at TJ's at this time and moment in your life; is it to solely to deny Jesus. Or, perhaps there is just something that you are missing in your life and you are searching to explain why you feel the way you do?


Ecclesiastes 2:13

<SUP id=en-NIV-17347 class=versenum>13</SUP> I saw that wisdom is better than folly,
just as light is better than darkness.

Jesus said that he was the Light of the world. Just think about this truth that you already know: In light there is no darkness

I pray my friend that you find truth in your journey.

 

[evstevemd]

To evstevemd; sorry if you misunderstood, most of the reason i don't believe in the divinity of Jesus is because i don't believe in the validity of the bible.

So now you confuse me!
What do you really believe (forget about your fear of death and afterlife) and why do you believe it?
Those two questions will give me direction. As for now I cannot comment anything as I don't know what you believe and why you believe it :coocoo: