Gay Marriage

[AbbysAunt]

God has said in His word cuddlebunny what is right and what is wrong. In a earlier post I put some verses to show this, but don't take my word for it go and look them up yourself so you can know for yourself that what was shown wasn't just words but came from the very word of God. To answer your question about why would God condemn those who love each other. God doesn't condemn anyone, but by using the free will He gave us and living a lifestyle He says is wrong and that He will not accept we condemn ourselves. Sin is sin to God none greater than the other. Whether it be murder, stealing, coveting, homosexuality, lieing, and the list goes on. To God wrong is wrong plain and simple.

You also asked about forgiveness. When come before God through His Son Jesus Christ and repent of our sins and wrong doings this is when we find forgiveness it doesn't matter what we've done because He sees it no more, but in doing this we turn from that which He has said is wrong and do our very best to live a life pleasing to Him. This means living as He says we should live in His Holy Word The Bible. He has set the rules and they can't and won't be changed. Your mom is loved by God very much more than she knows and He is not willing that she suffer or hurt, but He won't make that decision for her she has to be the one to make the decision to turn from the lifestyle that He has said is wrong. I know you love your both your parents and seeing the things you do here on Talk Jesus there maybe some feelings of anger and hurt at what you are taking in because like I said sometimes the truth isn't easy to hear or see , but it's noone's intention to upset you CuddleBunny we want the very best for you and your whole family, so we in love have given you the truth of our Lord Jesus.

We love you CuddleBunny and your family and are continuing to pray for you all.

AA

 

[CuddleBunny282]

It is not wrong. And no, please do not pray for me. PLEASE. My family and me do not praying ._. I know its not you're intention to upset me, but please do not my worry about my life. No one is perfect. And no, I am not hurt. It just baffles me that you think two people loving each other is wrong. I'm sorry but I don't believe every word of the Bible. You have to know that people are different. Please do not pray for me because I don't need it. I support gay marriage. You can't just take away peoples rights just because the Bible tells you it is wrong. Like I said before, they're harming anyone, gay marriage doesn't even have nothing to do with religion.

 

[Chad]

@CuddleBunny282

I like to learn things from many different religions. Even Satanism. I think as people we shouldn't call everything a sin. My mom may be gay but she is Christian and she believes that God loves her for who she is. No one shouldn't have to change themselves, especially for the sexuality. I want to ask you a question. Why do you think that God would condemn two who love each other, but forgive a person who has taken someone else's life? Maybe you guys should worry about the worser sins instead of the ones that actually aren't hurting other people.

I'm going to respond bluntly to you since you're being honest as well (and I appreciate honesty). I will be honest, straightforward too.

Satanism is not 'religion', it's a cult.

There is no such thing as a gay Christian. That is 100% outright contradictory to the Bible's teachings.

Feelings do not equal truth/facts. Neither do opinions.

You're expressing lots of "aired" opinions here in your posts and I can tell you now, your treading dangerous grounds. You cannot choose what is right or not right. You cannot claim what is sin or not sin. Only GOD can, and He has made it clear.

The created does not have power or wisdom to correct the Creator.

Also, gays are hurting "other people" in various ways such as STD, deprivation of proper mother/father family structure if they adopt and/or raise a child. They are hurting themselves too because it is unnatural to be with some of the same sex.

Why do you think that God would condemn two who love each other, but forgive a person who has taken someone else's life

Simple, it's called repentance. Anyone can repent (turn away) from any sin and receive forgiveness through Jesus Christ. If they do not repent, they will remain unforgiven.

John 3:16 is clear how much GOD desires for people to turn away from sin (sin = evil which is everything and anything that opposes good. Good = GOD)

GOD loves everyone but will not force Himself nor His holy commands on anyone. Love has to have a voluntary choice for it to be sincere, so therefore you can love GOD out of your free GOD-given will or hate Him by walking in sin, any sin.

 

[wisebuilder]

Gay marriage is as evil as allowing divorce and remarriage.Breaking the Sabbath is even greater sin.

 

[Fenn]

Gay marriage is as evil as allowing divorce and remarriage.Breaking the Sabbath is even greater sin.

I always struggle with this. There are a lot of Christians who hate on homosexuals. Homosexuality is wrong, but it is only a wrong. Divorce and remarriage, premarital sex, pornography and all are more widely accepted than homosexuality. We cannot stop the world from accepting these things. God is giving the world over to the people just as they first asked for a king.
It is a sad thing to see the world proclaiming false love. Two men can love each other outside of sex and the same for women. Jonathan and David are great examples of this.

 

[Chad]

I always struggle with this. There are a lot of Christians who hate on homosexuals. Homosexuality is wrong, but it is only a wrong. Divorce and remarriage, premarital sex, pornography and all are more widely accepted than homosexuality. We cannot stop the world from accepting these things. God is giving the world over to the people just as they first asked for a king.
It is a sad thing to see the world proclaiming false love. Two men can love each other outside of sex and the same for women. Jonathan and David are great examples of this.

To each their own. We will all face God and be held accountable for every word spoken and thoughts we carried in our hearts, whether love or hate.

Matthew 12:36
"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

As for other sins, there are 7 abominations that the Lord hates. These are more serious sins in GOD's eyes.

Proverbs 6
16 These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to [SUB]8[/SUB] Him: 17 [SUB]l[/SUB] A [SUB]9[/SUB] proud look,
[SUB]m[/SUB] A lying tongue,
[SUB]n[/SUB] Hands that shed innocent blood, 18 [SUB]o[/SUB] A heart that devises wicked plans,
[SUB]p[/SUB] Feet that are swift in running to evil, 19 [SUB]q[/SUB] A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who [SUB]r[/SUB] sows discord among brethren.

Leviticus 18:22
'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Also, as Christians we are called to love the neighbor and hate sin. It's not our call to judge. Whomever judges will be judged the same.

Matthew 7:1-2
1 "Judge [SUB]1[/SUB] [SUB]a[/SUB] not, that you be not judged. 2 "For with what [SUB]2[/SUB] judgment you judge, you will be judged; [SUB]b[/SUB] and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

 

[Fenn]

Great scripture choices. Matthew 12:36 is especially powerful.

I wasn't trying to make light of homosexuality, more so the these other sins shouldn't be accepted as well.
I would say the sins I listed in my first post are, more often than not, involving at least one or two of the sins listed in Proverbs 6 as abominations.

When I was stating that I struggle in this situation, it was in regards to Christians spoken words, but also non-Christians also speak up in the opposite way. I visited my sister's church and the pastor was saying that the world wants you to believe that you can have truth or grace, but not both. He said that Jesus says otherwise and gave the story of the woman who was caught in adultery. He said that she deserved the punishment, but that there was no one there fit to condemn her and she should go and change her ways.

I love that passage because God didn't condone it, but shows Grace.

 

[james1523]

Gay marriage is as evil as allowing divorce and remarriage.Breaking the Sabbath is even greater sin.

Actually sexual immorality, particularly gay marriage, is worse than divorce, remarriage and breaking the Sabbath. This is because immorality degrades ones own body (1 Cor 6:18). And as Chad posted, it is an abomination, an utterly detestable and disgusting thing.

 

[harvester]

In the bible God judged Sodom and Gomorrah for wickedness... in recent times, East Asia, Tokyo, New Orleans and others

This is hilarous. what about Brighton Gay capital in England? What about Amersterdam GAy capital again. Tel aviv rampant with homosexual!! God is not punishing anyone. He sent his son to die and Judge so people like you think you know Gods ways!!!

 

[james1523]

This is hilarous. what about Brighton Gay capital in England? What about Amersterdam GAy capital again. Tel aviv rampant with homosexual!! God is not punishing anyone. He sent his son to die and Judge so people like you think you know Gods ways!!!

God gives cities time to repent but if they don't then He will judge them. This is God's ways.

 

[harvester]

God gives cities time to repent but if they don't then He will judge them.

Oh really and can you provide evidence or this please? And why he choose Asia, New Orleans, Tokyo? But not the others in that order? Did he discuss this with you directly? Sorry just laughing my head off here at how you can possibly judge what our Saviour is up to?? but in all honesty give evidence of this?

 

[james1523]

Oh really and can you provide evidence or this please? And why he choose Asia, New Orleans, Tokyo? But not the others in that order? Did he discuss this with you directly? Sorry just laughing my head off here at how you can possibly judge what our Saviour is up to?? but in all honesty give evidence of this?

Sure I'm happy to provide quotes from what our Savior and His servants the apostles said from the scriptures about how He deals with mankind:

Rev 2:21-22 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.

2 Peter 3:9-10 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Jude 1:7 And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment.


If God did not allow these things to happen to these places, then please tell me who did? Is God really God and sovereign and in control of all things, or not?

We can know what God is up to because we have His mind, we know Him, we have His Spirit (so yes He does communicate with me directly), and we have the Scriptures:
1 Cor 2:16 For, "Who can know the LORD's thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?" But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

To know God, to have a personal relationship with God, is also to know what He is up to. This is because He is our Father and we are His child, so as His children He tells us what He is doing, He reveals things to us (1 Cor 2:10) and we are actually one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17).

In case you are doubting who God really is, that God is sovereign and in control of both blessing and curse:
Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

 

[Cordycep]

In the bible God judged Sodom and Gomorrah for wickedness... in recent times, East Asia, Tokyo, New Orleans and others

James, do you know the mind of God? Do you know the heart of each man, women, and child that perished in these events? Who are you to make these assumptions? God delivers his righteous indignation, in his own way, in his own time. Your duty is to keep God's commandments and be a light to the world. Not to say “ten thousand died today because of this sin” and “twenty thousand will die tomorrow because of that sin”. God allowed these heart breaking events to take place, but as to why, that is not for you to judge or speculate.

 

[Chad]

Romans 8:19–21

For the creation waits with eager longing for othe revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but qbecause of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

 

[james1523]

James, do you know the mind of God? Do you know the heart of each man, women, and child that perished in these events? Who are you to make these assumptions? God delivers his righteous indignation, in his own way, in his own time. Your duty is to keep God's commandments and be a light to the world. Not to say “ten thousand died today because of this sin” and “twenty thousand will die tomorrow because of that sin”. God allowed these heart breaking events to take place, but as to why, that is not for you to judge or speculate.

We have the bible and we have the indwelling Spirit so we can know the mind of God.
God did not allow so many to be killed for no reason otherwise God would not be in control. If not for judgement then why?
Do you not believe that every hair on our heads are numbered and not one sparrow falls to the ground without the Father's consent?

 

[Chad]

Stay on topic here to the OP. Your drifting off the threads main question

 

[Cordycep]

We have the bible and we have the indwelling Spirit so we can know the mind of God.
God did not allow so many to be killed for no reason otherwise God would not be in control. If not for judgement then why?
Do you not believe that every hair on our heads are numbered and not one sparrow falls to the ground without the Father's consent?

Sure, the Bible teaches us a lot about God and his ways. But we simply cannot know the mind of God (his reasons) when it comes to specific events, such as disasters. Remember Job and his friends? His friends were convinced that he was being punished (why else would God allow Job to suffer so?). They were wrong. And God became angry with them. Professing that any calamity that befalls others is God's "judgement" is a terrible thing to do, and any Christian should know better. Were the recent disasters in Japan, SE Asia, and New Orleans God's will? Yes. Were they God's Judgement? That is not for us to say, or even hint at. Don't be like Job's friends. They were accusing one man. You are accusing entire nations. If you insist, I will assume that you intimately know the heart of each and every victim of these disasters.

Yes, I am convinced that every hair on our head is numbered, and that no sparrow falls to the ground without God's consent. God is loving and just. And all things work together for good to those that love him.

Edit: And we've gotten off topic, I guess we should continue privately or make a new thread.

 

[james1523]

This is in response to the OP "are there consequences for legalizing gay marriage".

The answer is 'yes'.

The problem with using the example of Job is that Job was a righteous man, whereas we are discussing the matter of God judging the unrighteous particularly the legalization of gay marriage as an unrighteous act which God judges.I don't think any one of those cities which I have mentioned can be called "innocent" or "righteous" in God's eyes and so the example of Job does not apply.

To say God judges the unrighteous is NOT being like Job's friends (who thought him unrighteous when he in fact was righteous).

Homosexuality is unrighteousness and thus can incur God's judgement not just on individuals but whole cities who approve of this act by legalizing gay marriage.

 

[Cordycep]

Are there consequences for legalizing gay marriage? Of course, there are consequences for all sins. God very clearly condemns homosexuality in the Bible. Not because "eww it's nasty and different" but because, like all sin, homosexuality ultimately lead to destruction. People that say God would never condemn two people for loving each other are missing the point. He won't condemn them for loving each other, he will condemn them for having a sexual relationship, which is in open disobedience to him.

Homosexuality isn't just a moral issue but also a social issue. Whether you believe that God created the world and the laws of nature, or that everything slowly evolved over billions of years, one thing is certain: That children are meant to be a raised by a mother and father. Who can argue?

James, Job was indeed a righteous man. How do we know? Because God said so. What did the pre-flood world and Sodom and Gomorrah have in common? God made it clear that, other than the few that he miraculously saved, none were left that sought after righteousness. Can you say the same about each person that perished in the discussed cities/countries? You said: “I don't think any one of those cities which I have mentioned can be called "innocent" or "righteous.” That is very true...but it is also true of every nation and city on the face of the Earth. By the way, none of SE Asia, Japan, or Louisiana have legalized gay marriage.

 

[harvester]

Are there consequences for legalizing gay marriage? Of course, there are consequences for all sins. God very clearly condemns homosexuality in the Bible. Not because "eww it's nasty and different" but because, like all sin, homosexuality ultimately lead to destruction. People that say God would never condemn two people for loving each other are missing the point. He won't condemn them for loving each other, he will condemn them for having a sexual relationship, which is in open disobedience to him.

Homosexuality isn't just a moral issue but also a social issue. Whether you believe that God created the world and the laws of nature, or that everything slowly evolved over billions of years, one thing is certain: That children are meant to be a raised by a mother and father. Who can argue?

James, Job was indeed a righteous man. How do we know? Because God said so. What did the pre-flood world and Sodom and Gomorrah have in common? God made it clear that, other than the few that he miraculously saved, none were left that sought after righteousness. Can you say the same about each person that perished in the discussed cities/countries? You said: “I don't think any one of those cities which I have mentioned can be called "innocent" or "righteous.” That is very true...but it is also true of every nation and city on the face of the Earth. By the way, none of SE Asia, Japan, or Louisiana have legalized gay marriage.

Excellent post... I always wonder how people can say things like that? No one is perfect and without sin. If God can cause destructions on New Orleans then he might as well do the whole world!! Gay exist pretty much everywhere..