Gay Marriage

[harvester]

Excellent post... I always wonder how people can say things like that? No one is perfect and without sin. If God can cause destructions on New Orleans then he might as well do the whole world!! Gay exist pretty much everywhere..

PLus, Cape Town South Africa is rife with murder and rape, cause destruction there too. We can never understand Gods ways ever!!

 

[harvester]

Why is gay marriage a sin? Why is being gay a sin? Why do people say the gay lifestyle is destructive? How is it so if they are not hurting anyone? I know gay couples who are happy together.

 

[Chad]

Why is gay marriage a sin? Why is being gay a sin? Why do people say the gay lifestyle is destructive? How is it so if they are not hurting anyone? I know gay couples who are happy together.

I know drug addicts who love getting high. I know fornicators who love sleeping around.

More importantly, your statement contradicts your profile where you state you are born again and trying to become a better Christian. The bible is very clear on homosexuality and yet your asking this question. I hope you understand that as a Christian, you cannot pick and choose what Scripture to believe and what to reject. GOD is not mocked.

Have you followed all the quoted Scripture regarding homosexuality? This is one of the abominable sins. It's not an argument over what sin is greater than the other, but let the Bible speak for itself. After all, it is GOD speaking to us through the Bible. We the sinful created, have no right to question His Word, His holiness, His commands. He is the Creator. What wisdom do we have to question His Word at any point and regarding any subject?

Let's recap:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 20:13
'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

 

[harvester]

I know drug addicts who love getting high. I know fornicators who love sleeping around.

More importantly, your statement contradicts your profile where you state you are born again and trying to become a better Christian. The bible is very clear on homosexuality and yet your asking this question. I hope you understand that as a Christian, you cannot pick and choose what Scripture to believe and what to reject. GOD is not mocked.

Have you followed all the quoted Scripture regarding homosexuality? This is one of the abominable sins. It's not an argument over what sin is greater than the other, but let the Bible speak for itself. After all, it is GOD speaking to us through the Bible. We the sinful created, have no right to question His Word, His holiness, His commands. He is the Creator. What wisdom do we have to question His Word at any point and regarding any subject?

Let's recap:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 20:13
'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Hi Chad, I appreciate your response but I would rather you did not judge my born.again faith. Im not mocking God, im.asking questions which many Christiand have asked before me and after me so Do what Jesus would and do.not assume Im contridicting and mocking God. Only God can see my heart and confusion. Im still learning the scriptures. Ive come to know many homosexuals who are happy in love so im going to ask why its destructive. Jesus did not turn Mary away or judge. Its sees man is sometimes more judemental than out Saviour is. Thanks responses. Will read scriptures.

 

[harvester]

Sorry writing from phone and not ideal for grammar.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Why is gay marriage a sin? Why is being gay a sin? Why do people say the gay lifestyle is destructive? How is it so if they are not hurting anyone? I know gay couples who are happy together.

@harvester

Greetings harvester

Brother Chad and others here have explained this clearly, but I notice you are still confused.

Sin is sin whether it is lying, stealing, homosexuality, adultery......etc
Being 'happy' when sinning doesn't make it any less of a sin

(Remember Jesus died to save us from all these sins and true peace and joy is only found in Him)

And those churches who perform gay marriage ceremonies for 'happy gay couples' are 'blessing' what is an abomination before the Lord.

harvester by believing that homosexuality/gay marriage is okay you are denying what the Bible says and therefore denying the word of the Lord

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Leviticus 20:13


For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1:26-27

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

…realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching…
1 Timothy 1:9-10

 

[harvester]

@harvester

Greetings harvester

Brother Chad and others here have explained this clearly, but I notice you are still confused.

Sin is sin whether it is lying, stealing, homosexuality, adultery......etc
Being 'happy' when sinning doesn't make it any less of a sin

(Remember Jesus died to save us from all these sins and true peace and joy is only found in Him)

And those churches who perform gay marriage ceremonies for 'happy gay couples' are 'blessing' what is an abomination before the Lord.

harvester by believing that homosexuality/gay marriage is okay you are denying what the Bible says and therefore denying the word of the Lord

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Leviticus 20:13


For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1:26-27

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10




…realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching…
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thank you. But if you are saved and still practice homosexuality in a relationship with another woman than are you are still saved?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

[COLOR=#4b0082 [USER=24503]@harvester[/USER][/COLOR]
thank you. But if you are saved and still practice homosexuality in a relationship with another woman than are you are still saved?

@harvester

If someone is truly saved then they cannot continue to live a life of sin

It wouldn't be considered okay for a Christian to continue a life of stealing, murdering, cheating, lying and so on
Likewise it is wrong to believe homosexuality is alright for a Christian

The world and the church make excuses, but they are condoning huge sin
Being gay is not genetic, it is not natural
It is sin
Sin that needs to be repented of......there is no such thing as a gay Christian

Praise the Lord ......Jesus died to save sinners and His grace covers all sins

The blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin
1 John 1:7

 

[CuddleBunny282]

Ummmm....Wow. Just wow.....I'm not even going to respond to first part, but what you just said about gay people......."Also, gays are hurting "other people" in various ways such as STD, deprivation of proper mother/father family structure if they adopt and/or raise a child. They are hurting themselves too because it is unnatural to be with some of the same sex." Seriously? My dad or mom don't have any STDs -.- Even straight people can have them. What you just said right there is stereotyping. My dad raised me and I turned out just fine. My mom came back into my life sometime before I got out of high school. I wouldn't want to change these two people, or any others, because it is their life. Just because a book says it is wrong doesn't mean it is. I'm done with this topic. Clearly you guys don't want to accept gay people for who they are. And for your information, I am not treading on dangerous ground -______- I'm harming myself or YOU by doing these things. But believe whatever you want to believe. I'm done with this.

 

[james1523]

James, Job was indeed a righteous man. How do we know? Because God said so. What did the pre-flood world and Sodom and Gomorrah have in common? God made it clear that, other than the few that he miraculously saved, none were left that sought after righteousness. Can you say the same about each person that perished in the discussed cities/countries? You said: “I don't think any one of those cities which I have mentioned can be called "innocent" or "righteous.” That is very true...but it is also true of every nation and city on the face of the Earth. By the way, none of SE Asia, Japan, or Louisiana have legalized gay marriage.

Hi Cordycep. Sodom and Gomorrah did not legalize gay marriage either. We have this strange view in our societies that legalizing gay marriage is the last straw..that somehow without legalized gay marriage society is 'not too bad'..but this is not true, I think God will consider the combined balance of righteous versus unrighteous in total. There is a verse in the old testament I think about God weighing, but I cannot find it now. A country may have legalized gay marriage but have a low population of homosexuals, this one might be safer from God's judgement, than a country with lots of homosexuals and no legalized gay marriage.

 

[james1523]

Re: "Homosexuality does not hurt anyone".

This can easily be proven to be false:
Is God/Jesus a person? Yes.
Does homosexuality hurt God? Yes.
Therefore homosexuality hurts at least ONE person.. God. Point Proven.

 

[eldon]

please cut this into a separate thread if you will.


i view the homosexuality effect upon society as a byproduct of several issues, i will not go into length but the way i read several passages of the BiBle as follows:
first they are handed over to a reprobate mind, then to homosexuality.

the following is my experience combined with other's testimony:
1) the percentage of people who claim to be "born homosexual" has always been approximately the same throughout the last 1980 years.
2) the percentage of people who are born gay is related to the inverse cube power of the number of Spirit led humans within the same society, for reasons i will not go into depth, but they are all tangental reasons, not direct reasons.
3) the percentage of people who claim to be born gay is an unknown function of how close said society is about be be wiped out by God's judgement.*

4) those who have fallen into the trap of un-natural relations are simply trapped by satan, it is no different than the other 90% for example, american males who are addicted to porn, or, etc.

5) if you actually get to know any of these folks, you'll find that you're no more righteous than they are, hell, they might have a cleaner conscience than you do.

6) the testimony i have received is that MOST gay folks have severe mental trauma stored up from dysfunctional families
*meaning, this is a secondary observed function, not a direct function; if the Lord is using the fact that your society is welcoming homosexuality as "natural relations" to 'wake you up' its probably too late for you to wake up. your parents should have told you your country is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

[harvester]

please cut this into a separate thread if you will.


i view the homosexuality effect upon society as a byproduct of several issues, i will not go into length but the way i read several passages of the BiBle as follows:
first they are handed over to a reprobate mind, then to homosexuality.

the following is my experience combined with other's testimony:
1) the percentage of people who claim to be "born homosexual" has always been approximately the same throughout the last 1980 years.
2) the percentage of people who are born gay is related to the inverse cube power of the number of Spirit led humans within the same society, for reasons i will not go into depth, but they are all tangental reasons, not direct reasons.
3) the percentage of people who claim to be born gay is an unknown function of how close said society is about be be wiped out by God's judgement.*

4) those who have fallen into the trap of un-natural relations are simply trapped by satan, it is no different than the other 90% for example, american males who are addicted to porn, or, etc.

5) if you actually get to know any of these folks, you'll find that you're no more righteous than they are, hell, they might have a cleaner conscience than you do.

6) the testimony i have received is that MOST gay folks have severe mental trauma stored up from dysfunctional families
*meaning, this is a secondary observed function, not a direct function; if the Lord is using the fact that your society is welcoming homosexuality as "natural relations" to 'wake you up' its probably too late for you to wake up. your parents should have told you your country is going to hell in a hand basket.

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Ok well according to my pastor, Jesus came to die for our sins all of our sin, all sins are equal so if God will wipe out hmosexuals he will wipe out pedeos which are 1000% times more revolting disgusting and evil. Child abusers, murderers, thieves, Adultery of every form including masturbation, porn addiction which im sure many men are guilty of and all our sexual sinful lustful thoughts when a beautiful woman walks past. So why is God wiping out Areas just because of Homosexuality??? All Sin is same in Gods eye and he only he knows the heart..

 

[revbrad]

The Bible clearly states that the wages of sin is death, All sin! How and when God choses to deal with it is not for us to say. Be certain, there will come a day when sin will be judged.

If God said it is sin, it is sin! We cannot change that based on our own beliefs, ideas, morals, theology, etc...

You can argue about it till your tounge falls out but it will not change anything. If God said it, end of discussion!

 

[harvester]

I agree sin is sin but I disagree that God does not bless a Christian same sex partnership. On another website a lesbian is saying she na dher girlfriend go to church together, pray together and are blessed by God since becoming Christians with good career, houses and and all else. I get conflicting information from different Christians about this so it is no wonder I am little confused but I can see both sides I guess. Just Im not sure homosexuality is completely wrong if it a monogomous safe loving partnership.

 

[DutchChristian]

WARNING!

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!

God does not Bless a homosexual "union" nor fornication because such a relationship is CURSED

There is no such thing as a "Christian same sex partnership" or marriage: it does not exist! nor is it recognized as such it is just plain: homosexuality and fornication wrapped in a devils sweet appearing to be sugar coated wrapper present box seemingly: hooray gay hooray present fun seemingly harmless to be for that spur of the moment in deception BUT INSIDE is DEATH all the WAY DEATH and disease in crawling and sticking big spider webs of utter darkness and MIRE pulling you down and down more and more into depression in a SWAMP of DEATH because the wages of sin is DEATH

Do not be deceived! There is no such thing as a homosexual partnership nor same sex marriage possible! It does NOT exist but if ye insist on homosexual "marriage" then that is always a DEATH COVENANT

Stop reading any pro-gay "christian material" of so called “gay christianity” defenders it is of the devil! satan has tricked and deceived many

homosexuality is unnatural lust burning inside the members

Gay / homosexual act and Christianity can NEVER be mixed as what has darkness to do with Light?

Many homosexual practitioners die early and are inflicted with many (spiritual) wounds and diseases unto death, all homosexual act is unnatural and goes AGAINST THE LORD, it does not matter how much a person likes it or loves it or if the world commends, applauds and craves it! All sex outside of marriage is fornication and is clearly forbidden: Homosexual or not. And since two of the same sex can never be married in the first place they automatically reside in fornication even if the world accepts it and commends it. The homosexual deed itself is EXTREMELY WICKED, God Loves the people BUT they must turn from their wicked way / sin and believe The Gospel! Just repent and believe the Gospel Jesus Christ cry out to Him The Lord Jesus and be Saved!

NEVER ever continue in homosexual activity, Always repent! or else you will be very very short lived out and die suffocating in your sins, if ye do not repent and believe The Gospel!

Romans 6:
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Peter 3:
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

WAKE UP!

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

the seemingly pleasure for a season "and seemingly comfort" homosex OR fornication for that matter; appears to deceptively bring a person seemingly for a while IT'S ALL A LIE! and brings you immediate yea even instantly afterwards into is not worth it! to have worms eating you up into eternity to the end that worms will bring you torment that will NEVER DIE

Mark 9:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Torment in hell is forever!

your "pleasure" for the short moment (the but 1 to 5 years or more) IT IS NOT WORTH IT!

RUN AWAY FLEE FROM THE SIN AND WICKEDNESS OF FORNICATION

CRY OUT TO JESUS!

And be ye not deceived as:

Fornication is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE BEWARE the SIN is stronger then you think FLEEEEEEEEE!

Fornication comes with a lust and it will grab a hold of you and like a entangling snake will crawl and put itself around you to do it's suffocating SLAVERY you will be slave to sin and sin will put you in a prison cage that is so deep that ONLY Jesus Christ Can Set you FREE off, always repent!

Jesus Christ is The LIFE!

Don't you want eternal life in Heaven?

Turn away from the sin, turn to Jesus! Cry out to Him!

 

[revbrad]

I agree sin is sin but I disagree that God does not bless a Christian same sex partnership. On another website a lesbian is saying she na dher girlfriend go to church together, pray together and are blessed by God since becoming Christians with good career, houses and and all else. I get conflicting information from different Christians about this so it is no wonder I am little confused but I can see both sides I guess. Just Im not sure homosexuality is completely wrong if it a monogomous safe loving partnership.

Going to church, praying and such does not make one a christian. Because you have a good job, house etc does not mean it came from God.
You can disagree all you want that will not make any difference.

Do not get your information from other christians. Get it from God. Go to His Word, it will tell you what HE says.

It does not matter what we think, agree with, disagree with, are not sure about; it is what God says that is truth.

 

[harvester]

WARNING!

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!

God does not Bless a homosexual "union" nor fornication because it is CURSED

There is no such thing as a "Christian same sex partnership" or marriage: it does not exist! nor is it recognized as such it is just plain: homosexuality and fornication wrapped in a devils sweet appearing to be sugar coated wrapper present box hooray gay hooray present fun for the moment in deception BUT INSIDE is DEATH all the WAY DEATH and disease in sticking spider web of utter darkness and MIRE pulling you down in depression in a SWAMP of DEATH because the wages of sin is DEATH

Do not be deceived! There is no such thing as a homosexual relationship nor same sex marriage possible! It does NOT exist but if ye insist on homosexual "marriage" then that is always a DEATH COVENANT

Stop reading any pro-gay "christian material" of so called “gay christianity” defenders it is of the devil! satan has tricked and deceived many

homosexuality is unnatural lust burning inside the members

Many homosexual practitioners die early and are inflicted with many diseases unto death, all homosexual act is unnatural and goes AGAINST THE LORD, it does not matter how much a person likes it or loves it or the world commends and craves it as such as all sex outside of marriage is fornication and is clearly forbidden: Homosexual or not. And since two of the same sex can never be married in the first place they automatically reside in fornication even if the world accepts it and commends it. The homosexual deed itself is EXTREMELY WICKED, God Loves the people BUT they must turn from their wicked way / sin and believe The Gospel! Just repent and believe the Gospel cry out to The Lord Jesus and be Saved!

NEVER ever continue in homosexual activity, or else you will be very very short lived out and die in your sins if ye do not repent and believe The Gospel.

Romans 6:
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Peter 3:
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

WAKE UP!

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

the seemingly for a season "pleasure and seemingly comfort" homosex OR fornication for that matter appears to many deceptively to bring some short term "pleasure" could ever bring you is not worth it to have worms eating you up in the end that will bring you torment that will NEVER DIE

Mark 9:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Torment in hell is forever!

your pleasure for the moment IT IS NOT WORTH IT

RUN AWAY FLEE FROM THE SIN AND WICKEDNESS OF FORNICATION

CRY OUT TO JESUS!

And be ye not deceived!

Ok evidence of Homosexuals who die younger younger? I know faithful Christians who have died young from horrible cancer.
DutchChristian do you live Holland? its the most liberal country I been to. Men kissing holding hands etc.. how do you feel?

 

[DutchChristian]

Ok evidence of Homosexuals who die younger younger? I know faithful Christians who have died young from horrible cancer.
DutchChristian do you live Holland? its the most liberal country I been to. Men kissing holding hands etc.. how do you feel?

Sin is everywhere and in all countries, i like Holland but i do not like the sin.

Christianity cannot be mixed with any sin!

There is no such thing as:

"Christian drunkards"
"Christian porn watchers or pimps"
"Christian drug dealers"
"Christian homosexuals"
"Christian murderers"
"Christian adulterers"
"Christian thieves"
"Christian pot smokers"


and if they are (God forbid!!!) then they need to repent!

We are called to be a seperate and a Holy people unto The LORD

Sin should not even be named among the Christians, we ought to be saints!

And A Christian is a Holy man or woman of God who professes and has Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour he or she is to be a saint and not someone who is into sin like covetous gambling, witchcraft, thieving, joy riding, pot smoking, whoremonging, dwelling in homosexual acts etc if so Then that person needs to repent and believe The Gospel and / or be born again (Ephesians 2:8, John 3) and The Holy Ghost Will Sanctify them more and more into His Image: The Holy Son of GOD The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth Who is GOD and Forming in us in His children His Holiness and Righteousness in the fear of GOD!

Homosexuality is of the world, the flesh and the devil it is a wicked and an evil lust (it does not matter if other "christians" or churches accept it) as homosexual sin is sin which is totally not of God (God Forbid!)

Leviticus 18:
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

1 Thessalonians 4:
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Acts 2:
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 1:
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I Am holy.

God Bless you,
dutch

 

[eldon]

What about that Bible verse that says there is sin that does not lead to death?

is all sin truly equal?

@harvester, i did not intend to imply that homosexuality leads to judgment. it is a byproduct in my mind, it is an indicator.