How do I accept Jesus as my Savior?

[God's Truth]

Adam & Eve didn't have moral knowledge & that's why they stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence. You are afraid to address this truth!

You are just going to keep repeating your false accusations about me and your ridiculousness about Adam and Eve and why they didn't clothe themselves after they were created?

 

[God's Truth]

Sin was choosing the forbidden knowledge of good and evil which produced guilt about staying unclothed in God's most holy presence.

What you say is illogical.

 

[God's Truth]

Their parents were Jews not Christians!

You brought up Matthew and the PARENTS bringing their children to Jesus!
You don't think the children's parents are teaching them about this man Jesus? They brought their children to him. Try to reason.

Psalms22:10:"
From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God". Not mothers but God created babies with faith in Jesus.

That is about Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Abraham & 8 day old babies were circumcised as sign they believed in Jesus. Romans4:11: "And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised".

That is about the grown man Abraham.

 

[GodB4Us]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The term "sons of God" is a term that relates to Israel's ancestral roots. Therefore if you note how we are the sons of God now by those that had received Him that believe even in His name, is how the sons of God are born of God now rather than by blood line ( genetics as a Jew ) nor by the will of the flesh by religious means, Judaism, of those Gentiles converting to Judaism, nor any religious means or effort of man's will power like the so called "repenting from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ" wherein man can boast.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Like it or not, God is pleased to save those who believe the preaching of the cross per verrse 21 above.

We are not saved by water baptism for why the Gentiles were saved before water baptism by believing in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and had recieved the baptism with the Holy Ghost at their salvation thus born again of the Spirit

Since there is no free will, a sinner has to be drawn to the Son by the Father ( John 6:44 KJV ) for the Father to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him to be saved, Matthew 11:25-27 KJV then our believing in Him as in our faith in Jesus Christ is a work and gift of the Father. John 3:18-21 KJV If they had preferred their evil deeds rather than believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, the Father would never bother to have drawn them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Jesus Christ & be saved by God. Those who profess Him and yet are in iniquity are to be considered as the little ones and still to be corrected as brothers still. Matthew 18:10-17 KJV Even after they get excommunicated since when they repent, they are allowed back into fellowship with the assembly of believers and so per verses 10-14 of Matthew 18, the Lord will get those lost sheep, even though excommunicated from the fold that followed His voice but had followed a stranger's voice instead John 10:1-8 KJV as He must bring them because they are His sheep see verse 16 of John 10:14-16 KJV and He will lose none of all the Father has given Him. John 6:37-40 for why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood and earth, that did not depart from iniquity ( see verse 20 in 2 Timothy 2:18-21 KJV ) before the Bridegroom had come are to be left behind to die Revelation 2:18-25 KJV but their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven see verse 15 in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 KJV to be resurrected after the great tribulation Revelation 7:9-17 KJV & Revelation 20:1-6 KJV to hear the voice of the King of kings literally. John 10:16 KJV

 

[Sue D.]

I'm sure you're convinced of that.


And a 12 year old girl can have children today. So ?? You think age correlates directly with maturity?


No. You are truly not getting this. (My apologies for the failure.) TRUST does not exist as a concept unless there also exists something else that cannot be trusted by which TRUST can be measured. But in the garden ALL things in creation were good, and hence automatically "trustworthy." There was nothing in the experience of Adam and Eve that could possibly be untrustworthy. You hear the word "snake" or "serpent" and all the "untrustworthy" concepts associated with the word automatically attach up inside your brain. But think wise Chinese dragon (they have legs you know).... Whatever Eve spoke with, there was NO reason to mistrust, as there was no reason to mistrust anything.

How can one learn or understand "mistrust" in a moment's time?

This reminds me of a tribe in Africa that had no future tense in their verb structure. They literally could not think into the future to prepare a water tower for when drought would come. It made no sense to them. There was no linguistic structure to express ideas about the future. That water would be just "sitting there" for a future need. It was unsettling. And you, having the ability to express actions within a future time frame, would just freak out were you to speak to such a person who could NOT talk about the future.

In other words, you are taking YOUR experience and concepts of thought and reading them into the account, rather than starting with the account and the zeitgeist or gestalt of a completely GOOD new creation.


Why can't God talk to you directly ?? Why do you need a book ?? It's a serious question, because He talks directly to me. The thing is, you define "God's Word" to mean Bible, when the Bible itself defines what "God's Word" is (there are two of them), and neither means "Bible."


Well then y'all had better get that fixed. Godliness is in my heart, it comes automatically. If not, then sin is in your heart. Can't be both.


If God hardens your heart, then you don't have free will. Are you truly unfamiliar with that passage? That surprises me.


Why? How could one be "not satisfied" with "God's plan" ? That makes no sense to me. If you find yourself "rejecting God's plan" y'all had better get that fixed too.

Rhema

Hey, it happens.

Okay -- lots I'd area to cover here. Looking at Genesis 2 -- God created Adam and Eve as the 1st man and then God took a rib from Adam and made the 1st woman, Eve. And she was brought to Adam to become his helper and so he would not be alone. They were old enough to be joined together and have children. And have that one-flesh marriage relationship.


God talks to a person through His Word and we talk to Him through prayer.

We've previously had a conversation about God's Word
The Bible Is God's Word. And ,yes, we Do need this book to read and learn from. The He Holy Spirit teaches us as we read / hear it taught / preached.

Looked up indoctrinate / amongst the synonyms was teaching. Being taught. Presenting information with the intention of it being learned...

I hav no problem accepting God's Word / Bible as being the truth.

Of course creation started out good. God created it. And there are theories that science comes up with. People hav come up with all sorts of theories with how everything got here. But God's Word tells us exactly how how and when. A person takes scripture to mean what it says.

 

[Sue D.]

@Truth_seeker2022 --Ive noticed a few times your using the phrase "most holy presence" referring to 'God' -- just wondering why

 

[PloughBoy]

Adam & Eve didn't have moral knowledge & that's why they stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence. You are afraid to address this truth!

Who said, they didn’t have moral knowledge? Was it John, Peter, Andrew, Mary, Jane, Suzy, Patricia, Clarence or was it Scott?

Matter of fact what was The Morals of That time?

Thou shall not sleep you neighbor’s wife, thou shall not covet your brothers dog, thou shall not covet your sisters house?

Thou shall not steal, from the Foreigner in the next town? Thou not have two to three wives at one time

Why would you need clothes? The Sun would burn you, the cold would harm you, the bees would not sting you, the mosquitoes would not bite you., the thorns, would not prick your toes, why would you need clothes, you scared that your next neighbor would look peek out between the curtains and have. A good look!

Yea, ok “Adam and Eve” did not have morals.
And I know they didn’t clothes to walk before GOD!

Like clothes is going hide your body from the eyes of GOD!

 

[PloughBoy]

Sometimes I just read, sometime some people makes me laugh.

Sometimes it is like Observing, children playing in the school yard.

Somebody ,said; do you know where babies come from? Another kid says, I know,I know, your mama and daddy buy them at the store!

And then a little girl says; no, no they buy they at the Hospital!

Because my aunt went to the Hospital and bought 2, her and her husband, and they smell good, they are brand new!

Another cries out, she right, our next door neighbor they bought one home too from the hospital I saw them when they went and got back, they went early, but his wife had to stay there for a while, until the baby came out!

Another said: came out of where, then another said; came out The Oven, I heard my uncle one time say that, one time, I was listening when he was talking about babies! My uncle know all that stuff! He knows everything. I heard my mother say: He is “Mr. Know it all, he knows everything! My daddy said he ought to know everything, he is plug up to Mrs. Know it all!

My Mama got mad! I don’t know why, .but she said , don’t Talk about my sister!

 

[God's Truth]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The term "sons of God" is a term that relates to Israel's ancestral roots. Therefore if you note how we are the sons of God now by those that had received Him that believe even in His name, is how the sons of God are born of God now rather than by blood line ( genetics as a Jew ) nor by the will of the flesh by religious means, Judaism, of those Gentiles converting to Judaism, nor any religious means or effort of man's will power like the so called "repenting from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ" wherein man can boast.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Like it or not, God is pleased to save those who believe the preaching of the cross per verrse 21 above.

We have to believe that we have to obey this man named Jesus the Christ.
Your constant only believe and do nothing else is wrong, for Jesus tells us many times to obey him.

We are not saved by water baptism for why the Gentiles were saved before water baptism by believing in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and had recieved the baptism with the Holy Ghost at their salvation thus born again of the Spirit

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus.
He had people repent of their sins and it is to those people who believed in Jesus.

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.

Since there is no free will,

Of course we have free will.

a sinner has to be drawn to the Son by the Father ( John 6:44 KJV )

That is about the time JESUS WALKED THE EARTH and God cut off and HARDENED people so they could not hear Jesus and believe and be saved WHILE HE WALKED THE EARTH, because he came FIRST FOR THE lost sheep of Israel.

If we didn't have freewill---then there would be NO REASON TO HARDEN ANYONE.

Jesus says after he is lifted up from the earth then ALL can come to him to be saved.

 

[Sue D.]

A side note -- as soon as Adam and Eve saw they were naked , they hid from God and made themselves coverings of fig leaves. And then God killed an innocent animal to provide them with skins to cover themselves.

 

[Rhema]

So you admit God created Adam and Eve without moral knowledge which produced guilt about staying unclothed in God's most holy presence.

No.

IS STAYING UNCLOTHED A RIGHTEOUS DEED?

Adam and Eve stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence. Was it a righteous deed on their part?

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IS STAYING UNCLOTHED A RIGHTEOUS DEED?

It was absolutely fine - until- then Jesus died on the cross, after that... And I have met and seen to many christian naturist testimonies now that to deny being in your original naked state before the lord is a wonderful thing that it has to be true. Its a sad indictment on society that to...

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If you do not understand the above two posts, then there is a part of your Presuppositional Foundation that remains hidden.

Adam and Eve were created perfectly. The eating of the fruit caused brain damage.

You seem to believe that some "moral law-knowledge," was imparted to Adam and Eve when eating that fruit, and that this "moral law-knowledge" can be trusted. It cannot.

Nothing GOOD came from their eating of the fruit of the Tree of Establishing Good and Evil.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

"without him nothing was made that has been made". That includes all babies.

So then you completely deny free will and deny that any authority was given to Mankind to have dominion over the earth. (That stands against scripture.)

WAS... past tense.

I note your location on the globe and realize your education in language is likely deficient.

Comprehension is directly depended upon language skills. I believe yours are lacking (as an issue of fact, not condemnation).

Jesus is not going around making women pregnant. (Where do you people come up with this stuff... )

My previous post presents compelling refutation. If you cannot follow it or understand it, get help.

How do I accept Jesus as my Savior?

Since it came through sinning , we need to put our trust in God's Word. Because we know that His Word is the truth. Society is getting more wicked by the day. God loves us and wants the best for us which is why He's given us all of the guidelines to follow. But He doesn't force us. He also...

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Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I would agree with what you said but only concerning Eve.
Adam is said to be more responsible since he knew he was going against what God commanded and the devil didn't convince him but his wife.

(1 Timothy 2:12-14 KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived (therefore not in the transgression), but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[Rhema]

God knew that Adam would sin.

Then you have an evil god.

 

[Rhema]

Okay -- lots I'd area to cover here.

The proverbial don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

.... Please.

God talks to a person through His Word and we talk to Him through prayer.

Yes, that's your religious nonsense. Do you have any "Biblical" support for that?

You have a relationship with a book. I have a relationship with the living God.

The Bible Is God's Word.

As I said, ... completely indoctrinated and unable to consider the possibility that you were taught wrong.

The Bible is not God's Word, because the Bible defines what God's Word IS, (both of them), and it does not include itself in its definition.

This isn't rocket surgery.

You are, though, denying what is taught in the Bible.

But I recognize you are thoroughly indoctrinated.

I hav no problem accepting God's Word / Bible as being the truth.

You should. This just lets me know your reasoning skills are not that well developed (as a matter of fact, not condemnation).

A person takes scripture to mean what it says.

I see there is still a lot that needs fixing.

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

Then you have an evil god.

Wow that is evil for you to say that, but Jude and Paul warn about people who speak evil about things they don't understand.

You should be more careful.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

[God's Truth]

The proverbial don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

.... Please.


Yes, that's your religious nonsense. Do you have any "Biblical" support for that?

You have a relationship with a book. I have a relationship with the living God.


As I said, ... completely indoctrinated and unable to consider the possibility that you were taught wrong.

The Bible is not God's Word, because the Bible defines what God's Word IS, (both of them), and it does not include itself in its definition.

This isn't rocket surgery.

You are, though, denying what is taught in the Bible.

But I recognize you are thoroughly indoctrinated.


You should. This just lets me know your reasoning skills are not that well developed (as a matter of fact, not condemnation).

I see there is still a lot that needs fixing.

Rhema

What's going on with you Rhema?

The Bible is God's words in writing preserved for us.

 

[God's Truth]

(1 Timothy 2:12-14 KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived (therefore not in the transgression), but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I just told you that. What is your point? Adam knowingly sinned, and Eve was the one who was tricked by the devil.

 

[God's Truth]

Then you have an evil god.

You think God didn't know Adam would sin?
What is wrong with you for speaking such foulness?