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How Old Is the Universe? Same Age as the Earth; About 6,000 years

If people have been arguing it is 6000 for a long time then it isn't.
6000+. It's not about year accuracy so much as it is God did things fairly quickly and if we could comprehend 6000 years minimum back then it's not that long compared to 500,000 years.
Why would you assume the 6,000 + could go as far as 500,000 years?
 
@GodB4Us
The whole point of it, is that no book can contain every single instance of the beginning until now.
Cain, Abel, and Seth were more important. The first kids, the older killed the younger, and had to run and then God gave them Seth. Not to replace but to help heal the loss.
Many assume they only had three children but where did the rest come from? Adam and Eve were the only two created humans and there is no contradicting info. To think they stopped at 3 and NEVER had sex again is also wrong.
Every single sin isn't listed but common sense you can infer many, many more and all fall under 7 groups.
It doesn't say Jesus showered but common sense. He had the same needs as every human.
People can't put modernism on those people and time. It simply does not work.
Call it "Inherent Scripture" if you will b/c what is not said is still relevant.
Well, there are 2 kinds of genealogy in the N.T. and one has to discern with Him the point of it.

Below is the family tress from which Christ sprung from by conception of the Holy Spirit rather than by Joseph himself.

Matthew 1:1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Is it significant to cite 14 generations? Seems definitive at best.

Then we have Mary's side of the family whereby Jospeh is the son in law to Heli being traced back all the way to Adam.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

I count 20 more generations from Abraham to Adam if I did that right.

Remember; this is not being done by best recollection by Matthew's or Luke's.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If anything, the 2 genealogies in N.T. scripture confirms the genealogy of the O.T. scripture. I would believe the genealogy would give us the "best estimate" of how old the earth and the universe actually is.

So I can see how it can be "about 6,000 + years", but in no way would it go past 7,000 + years, let alone 500,000 years.

Unless you have some information you have to share yet, that is where I am at.
 
@GodB4Us
The whole point of it, is that no book can contain every single instance of the beginning until now.
Cain, Abel, and Seth were more important. The first kids, the older killed the younger, and had to run and then God gave them Seth. Not to replace but to help heal the loss.
Many assume they only had three children but where did the rest come from? Adam and Eve were the only two created humans and there is no contradicting info. To think they stopped at 3 and NEVER had sex again is also wrong.
I agree.
Every single sin isn't listed but common sense you can infer many, many more and all fall under 7 groups.
Expound on that please? Are you inferring the 7 deadly sins group or...?
It doesn't say Jesus showered but common sense. He had the same needs as every human.
It doesn't say Jesus laughed either although I would like to know what it was that made Him laugh.
People can't put modernism on those people and time. It simply does not work.
Call it "Inherent Scripture" if you will b/c what is not said is still relevant.
Sometimes what is written later on per the example I have given, justifies that there were other children besides Cain & Abel and before Cain had slain Abel too for Cain to have a wife after that incident.
 
The day the earth was about to be created was on the first day, the first day was created as there was evening and morning that day and every day after that as in 24 hours.

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The following verses begins on how God did that.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Then after the day was created as evening and morning that day, so began the creation of earth as a water planet with an upper atmosphere the second day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Then after the second day, God created land, that one land mass with plant life but with all the water in one place and thus finished creating the planet earth that third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Everything in the heavens that we see today was created the fourth day. That means all the source for those lights that are billions of light years away were created and God said for those lights to shined upon the earth that fourth day, hence He filled the gap in with their lights to shine on the earth that fourth day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Now some will say that is deceptive for God to do that? Really? Even science had posed the question which came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken of course, to tale care of the egg. So we have seen in Genesis how God created plant life full grown bearing fruits & seeds and so with animals also as they are full grown adults as Adam & eve were. So there will be a maturity in the creation of the universe in how God set it up for the lights of the heavens to shine upon the earth that fourth day to give for signs for seasons, for days, and years.

So when science tells us how old the earth is, they do so without acknowledging God as creating the heavens all in one day, the fourth day.

Until the stars (hence the sun) were created, we were only going by a day as the Lord measures a day (not 24 hours) and I believe the text supports the idea that until there was a man on the earth there was no measurement of time as we comprehend it (Man counts one rotation as a 24 hour day not God). His ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts higher than our thoughts. I believe Bishop Ussher made a serious mistake interpreting Genesis 1:1-2:2 in this way.

What is a day unto the Lord? Now David and Peter tell us a day unto the Lord is as 1,000 years unto man but all they are saying is it is uncountable because at that time and in that culture that was the highest counting number conceived. This is why they do not say billions (or even millions) but 10,000 x 10,000 and so on, So one day unto the Lord can be 100,000,000 years or if literal, at minimum 1,000 years. The author of Genesis uses the word Yom (translated day) to mean a day, a portion of a day, the time of light, a season, a lifetime, and an epoch, so think on these things?
 
Until the stars (hence the sun) were created, we were only going by a day as the Lord measures a day (not 24 hours) and I believe the text supports the idea that until there was a man on the earth there was no measurement of time as we comprehend it (Man counts one rotation as a 24 hour day not God). His ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts higher than our thoughts. I believe Bishop Ussher made a serious mistake interpreting Genesis 1:1-2:2 in this way.

What is a day unto the Lord? Now David and Peter tell us a day unto the Lord is as 1,000 years unto man but all they are saying is it is uncountable because at that time and in that culture that was the highest counting number conceived. This is why they do not say billions (or even millions) but 10,000 x 10,000 and so on, So one day unto the Lord can be 100,000,000 years or if literal, at minimum 1,000 years. The author of Genesis uses the word Yom (translated day) to mean a day, a portion of a day, the time of light, a season, a lifetime, and an epoch, so think on these things?
When did evening and morning developed into a 24 hour period unless it was on the very first "day" that it was created in defining what that first day was?
 
The day the earth was about to be created was on the first day, the first day was created as there was evening and morning that day and every day after that as in 24 hours.

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The following verses begins on how God did that.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Then after the day was created as evening and morning that day, so began the creation of earth as a water planet with an upper atmosphere the second day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Then after the second day, God created land, that one land mass with plant life but with all the water in one place and thus finished creating the planet earth that third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Everything in the heavens that we see today was created the fourth day. That means all the source for those lights that are billions of light years away were created and God said for those lights to shined upon the earth that fourth day, hence He filled the gap in with their lights to shine on the earth that fourth day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Now some will say that is deceptive for God to do that? Really? Even science had posed the question which came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken of course, to tale care of the egg. So we have seen in Genesis how God created plant life full grown bearing fruits & seeds and so with animals also as they are full grown adults as Adam & eve were. So there will be a maturity in the creation of the universe in how God set it up for the lights of the heavens to shine upon the earth that fourth day to give for signs for seasons, for days, and years.

So when science tells us how old the earth is, they do so without acknowledging God as creating the heavens all in one day, the fourth day.
Standart YEC paradigm.
 
Standart YEC paradigm.
Explain what was created the first day then. It sure wasn't the earth because it wasn't there yet. Earth was forming the second day as a water planet. The third day land appeared for the earth to be completed at its creation.
 
Explain what was created the first day then. It sure wasn't the earth because it wasn't there yet. Earth was forming the second day as a water planet. The third day land appeared for the earth to be completed at its creation.
Who cares what the Bible says then??? Gen 1:1 says it was there, You say it wasn't. Who should we believe???

In the beginning God CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, So the EARTH is there in Gen 1:1.

I think I'll believe the Bible.
 
Who cares what the Bible says then??? Gen 1:1 says it was there, You say it wasn't. Who should we believe???

In the beginning God CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, So the EARTH is there in Gen 1:1.

I think I'll believe the Bible.
I think you need to reread that first verse as the topic heading and the following verses on how God actually did create the heavens and the earth since it is written that the earth was without form and thus void hence not existing...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Kind of like a paragraph where you have the topic sentence and the following verses in that "paragraph" about that topic sentence.

But I can understand your confusion because of what was written after that first part of the second verse, but I just think of it as a lot of water existing in a certain place but no form like a planet yet.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Now God has taken that water in that place and formed it into a water planet with an upper atmosphere.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Now God had created land on this earth and teeming with plant life too.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Now God had created the very heavens, the sources for those lights in the heavens and filled in the gap with their lights so as to govern the earth that day for times, and seasons on that fourth day.e

That means the heavens were not created yet until the fourth day. Seeing that, you may be able to see that the earth wasn't really there either that 1st day but was without form...hint hint hint and was void... empty; just a lot of water.

Then when you read on past the sixth day to Genesis 2:1-3, that is the completion of that topic sentence of Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now if you still disagree, then how do you explain Genesis 2:1? That God created another heaven and earth? I believe not. So Genesis 1:1 is the topic where the following verses went into detail in how God did it.
 
I think you need to reread that first verse as the topic heading and the following verses on how God actually did create the heavens and the earth since it is written that the earth was without form and thus void hence not existing...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Now if you still disagree, then how do you explain Genesis 2:1? That God created another heaven and earth? I believe not. So Genesis 1:1 is the topic where the following verses went into detail in how God did it.
Nothing to explain. The "earth" obviously existed in Gen 1:1, because God created it. It was apparently in pretty poor shape, until God started cleaning it up, and populating it which is broadly detailed in the following verses. SO no problem at all (except with your "theological Paradigm" and its assumptions).
 
again that is simply your ignorance of scripture

you have the most fanciful imagination on Genesis 1.
Well I certainly cannot convince you of the truth, brother. I leave that to the Lord. We agree to disagree.
 
5 Proofs For the Existence of God

Secrets of the Cosmos that Confirm the Bible - Dr. Jason Lisle​



Here is more than enough to add to the countless evidence of a Young Earth.
Since our home is roughly 6000 years old then the fact that everything "began" not too long ago should be mind blowing.
Thanks for sharing this.
 
5 Proofs For the Existence of God

Secrets of the Cosmos that Confirm the Bible - Dr. Jason Lisle​



Here is more than enough to add to the countless evidence of a Young Earth.
Since our home is roughly 6000 years old then the fact that everything "began" not too long ago should be mind blowing.
May God cause the increase in what you have shared.
 
The day the earth was about to be created was on the first day, the first day was created as there was evening and morning that day and every day after that as in 24 hours.

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The following verses begins on how God did that.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Then after the day was created as evening and morning that day, so began the creation of earth as a water planet with an upper atmosphere the second day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Then after the second day, God created land, that one land mass with plant life but with all the water in one place and thus finished creating the planet earth that third day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Everything in the heavens that we see today was created the fourth day. That means all the source for those lights that are billions of light years away were created and God said for those lights to shined upon the earth that fourth day, hence He filled the gap in with their lights to shine on the earth that fourth day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Now some will say that is deceptive for God to do that? Really? Even science had posed the question which came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken of course, to tale care of the egg. So we have seen in Genesis how God created plant life full grown bearing fruits & seeds and so with animals also as they are full grown adults as Adam & eve were. So there will be a maturity in the creation of the universe in how God set it up for the lights of the heavens to shine upon the earth that fourth day to give for signs for seasons, for days, and years.

So when science tells us how old the earth is, they do so without acknowledging God as creating the heavens all in one day, the fourth day.
Only in the minds of men

Certainly , God could create everything in six days, six minutes, six instantlies. But knowing how God works , He likes to take His sweet ol' time. For an Eternal Being i think its older than our understanding.

We forget Creation is not evolution. And just because the earth / universe has walked though billions on years . God has never stopped creating. Every snowflake, every plant , every newborn child are all new creations.
 
The entire supposition that the Earth is merely 6,000 years old along with the unscriptural doctrine that Adam was the first sole human being on the planet
arises out of reading into scripture notions that are not in scripture > that is adding to scripture the ideas and doctrines of men.
Further to the errors above young earth creationists also rely on evolution to explain how from first 2 persons and then later from a surviving 8 persons the whole racial diversities
of human beings has arisen in just 4,000 years.
Darwin and Dawkins would be impressed.
I have a question . After Cain was told to leave. Who were the people he joined?
 
I have a question . After Cain was told to leave. Who were the people he joined?
You know that no history book can contain every single second, action, or anything of all time.

  • We know Adam and Eve had more than two kids and after they left Eden. They both lives a very long time and to think they stopped at two is absurd.
  • Adam and Eve were the only two created humans. Therefore they didn't have belly buttons. One can infer that since everyone aged slowly then mid life and old age would be 400-ish and 700-ish years respectively. There was a lot of baby making and only three of their children are named from what I can recall. Cain, Abel, and Seth. They are named for many reasons.
  • Incest would not be a thing back then as we know it. Only one generation from the perfect humans would not net the damaged DNA from incest in more recent times.
  • It is likely more of the children left before he did and settled in other areas. One can infer that twin, triplets, fraternal twins, etc. were a thing and quite common for some time. The math on reproduction and alleles is the only real evidence to support how 2 people can populate in such a short time.
  • Adam and Eve's children would do the same, have children, and raise them in our Lord, and teach them the same thing. Eventually humanity got big enough where while they were "marrying into the family" the familial relationships were not as close as before.
  • This commandment to "multiply" is only repeated after the flood and ONLY....to Noah and his family.
 
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