If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[Brother-Paul]

A lot of things transpired in the Old Testament. Those things Did Happen. The Old Testament is as inspired as the rest of the Bible.

It's Not Teaching against the Word of God at all. If a pastor would take the life of Solomon and his hundreds of wives / concubines and used that an example of what Could be done. THAT would be a Big problem. And having multiple wives is against the law.

In the book of Judges -- God gives the Children of Israel what they asked for -- they wanted judges -- God let them have judges / then in 1 Samuel -- the people they want Kings like the other nations. There were good kings and bad ones -- same with all their leaders. It's all Bible history. How people / the Children of Israel / were back then hasn't changed much.

People in general haven't really changed since the Old Testament. Divine comprehension doesn't change history. The entire Bible is made up of different kinds of literature -- it's all God's Word.

So -- apparently the only Scripture we need to pay any attention to is that which uses the name "Jesus" in it? Isn't it the book of Esther that doesn't mention God once , but upon reading it -- God's hand is seen working.

You do have a 'strange' concept of God's Word.

In the Old Testament the Lord was leading His people to war against the neighboring lands.

We certainly can't say that Now.

Those 600+ laws He gave do not apply to now days. They were given back then to set the Children of Israel apart from the people around them.

Greetings Sue

Is Christ not in all scripture?

Was He not there in the beginning? John 1:1

As for the Songs of Solomon, or Song of Songs, like others in the past I wonder why it is in scripture. It is as we know classed as a series of 'love poems'.

But to me it is the flirting Solomon, a flatterer of young women that stand out in his words, words of a poetic charmer, a womaniser, a sinner.

The wording in this book comes over to me as those of a man with one intention, and the outcome is reflected in the number of women he had, wives or otherwise.

Lover's banter runs through the pages, summing up this book I can only say it is the poetic love that has captured some, but has always there is hidden sin, but that sin is never hidden from God. Some therefore will see the poetic flattery and be wooed by it, others will see the sin.

Scripture gives us very clear guidance of what is right and what is wrong, what is righteous and what is sin, marriage came with Adam and Eve, then followed the Jewish laws of right and wrong, marriage for one man and one women, but here Solomon has hundreds of wives we are told, so scripture also shows us wrongs,
that knowing the rights we will recognise the wrongs even if masked with flirtatious poetry. [That is if these women he charmed were wives, or because of his position they were actually just called wives.]

The word 'love' is used so many times in this book, it would be a mammoth task to check the true meaning of the word from the translation to what we call love, but it is clear most is translated from the meanings, lover, friend, love token, loveth, and word including <H157> 'aheb, aw-habe'; meaning to have affection for (sexually or otherwise)

I am surprised that you don't seem to see this here.

Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

I am starting to believe that the problem with most Christians is a lack in reading skills of proper language syntax. They know how to read words but really do not understand the placement context and the different metaphors and arraignments, and especially of the “biblical dialect”. Sometimes a keep forgetting that. And those who are not familiar with this tactics take a offense no matter how much you try to enlighten, just mire words. But it becomes very hard to ignore because they attack the very Word of God by replacing His Words by their words and thoughts as biblical truth. But I do thank God for His Elective grace that He does the saving and the enlightenment and HE needs no one to do if for Him, because He is GOD all by Himself, and all others are as filthy rags!

New Living Translation
We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- and you have the correct answer for everything. Goodness -- I'm not attacking anything. Will take my leave of all this.

 

[Sue D.]

Have I ever read Esther? Yes most likely way over a 300 to 400 times in over 42 years! They way you discuss It you haven’t Study it, but faking it!

And why on earth have you read that book that many times. Sounds like you settled down on it. But I'll leave is thread.

 

[Dave M]

I am not afraid of Sharing Jesus with Anyone , even to my own death . . This body is only the Temple of the Holy Spirit . Being with the Trinity is prefered.

Where is my house , it is whereever the Father sends me

the point of my question is that bible the word of God tells us not to have anything to do with people who Deny Christ Diety, and do not invite them into your home or if you do you share there guilt

 

[Sue D.]

We CAN choose to talk with individual on our porch -- as with JW's or Mormons. Any group who might approach. Once they are inside your house -- it Can be hard to get them to leave. They have an agenda that they have been taught.

But they Do need salvation like everyone else.

@Bill -- ''Where is my house, wherever the Father sends me" -- well -- the disciples stayed with fellow believers. The Holy Spirit Does guide us to where it is He wants us to share the Gospel -- but He Also gives us common sense. And in this present virus situation -- there is definite distancing. So -- when we Do go 'somewhere' -- is it the Holy Spirit's guiding us or our own inner sense of adventure or an inner 'need' to be a self-appointed martyr.

 

[Dave M]

We CAN choose to talk with individual on our porch -- as with JW's or Mormons. Any group who might approach. Once they are inside your house -- it Can be hard to get them to leave. They have an agenda that they have been taught.

But they Do need salvation like everyone else.

@Bill -- ''Where is my house, wherever the Father sends me" -- well -- the disciples stayed with fellow believers. The Holy Spirit Does guide us to where it is He wants us to share the Gospel -- but He Also gives us common sense. And in this present virus situation -- there is definite distancing. So -- when we Do go 'somewhere' -- is it the Holy Spirit's guiding us or our own inner sense of adventure or an inner 'need' to be a self-appointed martyr.

I would have agreed with you but scripture teaches something different, the warning in real world as I see it is the mormons and JW that come knocking on everybodys door, they all deny Jesus is God in the flesh. Scripture clearly says have nothing to do with them.

2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.


full context
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we[a] have worked for, but may win a full reward.
9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

 

[Sue D.]

Thing is -- don't they need salvation as much as anyone does?

Some many years ago -- there were two ladies who came to my front door. It was a hot day out and they had black dresses on. I knew they were hot -- I listened to them on my porch but would not invite them in. I was willing to talk with them -- they did come back and I invited them to the Bible study I went to down the street. They never came back. If they had been two men -- I would have said 'no thank you' and then closed the door.

I guess part of my thought process is that ya never know What they really believe. And it would depend on their demeanor. Sometimes a person sees in another person's eyes to Not mess with them.

And a married woman can always say -- just a moment, I'll get my husband. Let my husband deal with them. Since I'm no longer married -- haven't seen any around - with the virus situation -- probably Won't.

Maybe I'm too sociable of a person.

 

[Dave M]

Thing is -- don't they need salvation as much as anyone does?

exactly my thoughts, are we not suppose to be loving and kind to everyone?? I really dont understand it all the way. I usually always talk the JW and question them, but is it biblical?? I am sort of conflicted here

 

[PloughBoy]

Are we suppose to act how we feel about, how we are to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ and what we feel the people need? Or are We supposed to “Obey The Word of God” in our presentation and who we are to present it to? I am not going To let anybody in my house who is evangelizing another “Gospel“ neither bid them God speed!

 

[Dave M]

I am not going To let anybody in my house who is evangelizing another “Gospel“ neither bid them God speed!

I agree,, but how about talking to them on your door step??

 

[Samson2020]

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

How would you know what one believes until they tell you what they believe? The JW people that I have met and know do believe that Jesus came in the flesh and that
he is the Son of God. Why would we lump a group together as though all believed the same or were actually infilled by the Holy Ghost just because they belonged to the
same denomination. I think we all know a denomination has nothing to do with it, and personally i've never had someone in my house that I wasn't able to share something
with no matter what they believed.
IMO I see that verse as knowing in advance that someone is a deceiver therefore receive them not as you know what they're up to.

What would you do if that deceiver were in a car wreck or stroke or other health problem outside your house? You gonna leave em on the porch to
possibly die until the ambulance comes? What happened to loving your neighbor?

And lastly Jesus came in the flesh (Generation 41) but was not Jesus Christ until after baptism in Jordan thus the 42nd generation and a new creation. The first
of the new creatures. Opening of the book of Matthew.

Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

they all deny Jesus is God in the flesh.

????? You really don't see the problem here? The one verse states "has BOTH" then you make the BOTH THE SAME ONE?
This sounds like if they don't believe in the trinity doctrine don't let them in. I would ask you since John states that no man hath seen God at any time how is
it that you claim that Jesus was God in the flesh? That would make John a liar. Plenty of folk saw him. The Bible clearly states that God was in Christ Jesus
reconciling the world, this does not mean that Jesus was God, God was co habitating in the body of Jesus with Jesus telling him what to say, just like the Spirit
habitates with us and speaks to us to teach or write etc....
But the verses quoted clearly show and state there is a Father and a Son. The Son eventually gives up the kingdom to the Father so which is greater?
Trinity teaches 3 co-equal Father, Son and, Holy Spirit. Yet Jesus himself says the Father is greater than I. So how can they be co-equal when Jesus is in
subjection to his Father?

1 John 5:5 " Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" Doesn't say Jesus is or was God but was and is the Son.

1 John 5: 10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record (testimony) that God gave of his Son."

 

[PloughBoy]

I agree,, but how about talking to them on your door step??

They did not come on your door steps to listen to you present the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but they came to convert you to their "Gospel". So you are going to stand there auguring which Gospel is the best one. They did not come on your steps for any help from your Jesus that your are presenting. You cannot not win by being disobedience to God's Word. You don't let them in your house, so you do not have a conversation with them, Hello!!!

 

[Bill]

We CAN choose to talk with individual on our porch -- as with JW's or Mormons. Any group who might approach. Once they are inside your house -- it Can be hard to get them to leave. They have an agenda that they have been taught.

But they Do need salvation like everyone else.

@Bill -- ''Where is my house, wherever the Father sends me" -- well -- the disciples stayed with fellow believers. The Holy Spirit Does guide us to where it is He wants us to share the Gospel -- but He Also gives us common sense. And in this present virus situation -- there is definite distancing. So -- when we Do go 'somewhere' -- is it the Holy Spirit's guiding us or our own inner sense of adventure or an inner 'need' to be a self-appointed martyr.

Self appointed martyr . Lol . I know you dont believe me about the snow . You are not alone . Everyone on this website will get the same gift . It will be from me to you all for putting up with me .

 

[Sue D.]

They did not come on your door steps to listen to you present the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but they came to convert you to their "Gospel". So you are going to stand there auguring which Gospel is the best one. They did not come on your steps for any help from your Jesus that your are presenting. You cannot not win by being disobedience to God's Word. You don't let them in your house, so you do not have a conversation with them, Hello!!!

No one needs to Argue Anything. Share the Gospel of salvation with whomever and let the Holy Spirit do His thing.

 

[PloughBoy]

No one needs to Argue Anything. Share the Gospel of salvation with whomever and let the Holy Spirit do His thing.

They don't want to share anything you have to offer, they come to you to present the "Gospel" the good news of Jehovah! They are train to guide them in the pathway of presenting the Gospel to you. And trained how to reflute you and take command over your false " Believeth" that is their mission. They are missionaries of their believeth! When you are on a mission, your goal is to conquer an enemy force. Don't let them on your porch or house! And have no fellowship with them! Obey your Bible.

 

[B-A-C]

They don't want to share anything you have to offer, they come to you to present the "Gospel" the good news of Jehovah! They are train to guide them in the pathway of presenting the Gospel to you. And trained how to reflute you and take command over your false " Believeth" that is their mission.

..and yet, some have been converted. There are some that used to visit me, they wanted to pray with me.
My only stipulation was that we pray to the Jesus of the Bible.
Not the Jesus from Kolob, or the Jesus that once only a man, or the Jesus that had sex with Mary Magdelene, or the Jesus that is Satan's brother. None of those those things are in the Bible. Eventually they started seeing this, and quit the Mormon
church. For some reason Mormon's never knock on my door anymore.

 

[PloughBoy]

I understand you fully, my reference is only about obeying GODS Word, many of us walk and dis-obey God Word even more today, for the Bible has declared that we will live a life of disobedience more and more until the perfect day. For this type of life is typical for the people of God through out biblical history. It will be shocking for many not all, to find out they never did anything to add to anyone's salvation even the message they presented and God did every bit of it. And the key goal was to obeyed His Word. And when they hear His voice "why call me Lord, Lord and do nothing I say". "obedience is better than sacrifice". There are to many biblical motifs of doing good things in the Lord's name but actuality it was our own initiative. "Holy Scripture" testifies to this truth.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Oh yes. Come quickly Lord Jesus! Amen!

 

[Bill]

They don't want to share anything you have to offer, they come to you to present the "Gospel" the good news of Jehovah! They are train to guide them in the pathway of presenting the Gospel to you. And trained how to reflute you and take command over your false " Believeth" that is their mission. They are missionaries of their believeth! When you are on a mission, your goal is to conquer an enemy force. Don't let them on your porch or house! And have no fellowship with them! Obey your Bible.

The J W's will change , they will see the truth before them . No one will be able to deny the Great Day of the Lord .

Many at this stage think , when that Day comes , its too late . We need to always Hope . It is something very important.

Revelations wasnt written for those who will never read it . Revelations was written for the Christians that go though it. And for the many who will come to the Lord during that time.