If you are sleeping with your Boyfriend it is a good chance That 99.99 %, you are Definitely going to HELL, and you can ask JESUS, HE will not lie.

[Brother-Paul]

Or when people who've been dating for a while -decide they want to take their relationship 'to the next level'. It's 'assumed' that there will be some amount of sexual activity taking place 'after a while'.

I take it you are talking in a worldly manner Sue.

The Word tells us sex outside marriage is SIN. The Word tells us if you think about sex with another you have already committed the act, you have already SINNED.

The first miracle was a wedding feast at Canaan in Galilee, the miracle was not the key point here, neither was Mary's comments, 'do whatever he tells you' though both are important.

We have discussed this in the past, the story is about the wedding feast, it gives us the examples we need to consider regarding the church and the bride groom, drawing us towards God, through Jesus.

There is a video I shared previously, it is called 'Before the Wrath'it is worth watching Sue.

It shows how a wedding was at the time of Jesus, it explains clear each step, which are the same steps Jesus uses to describe his church, his bride, the waiting period and the wedding feast.

Briefly it is as flows...

The man meets the lady he wants to spend his life married to, he offers her a cup of wife, if she accepts she is accepting she wants to marry him. The two then you to the gates of the town, this is where the lawmakers hang around, a covenant is prepared and the two are betrothed, promised in marriage.

At this point the man goes back to his father, a room is prepared in the Father's house for the couple when they marry. The lady goes back home, she starts to prepare with her maids for the wedding day, preparing animating the dresses etc.

The couple are 'apart' for 12 months approximately, on that time they do not meet with each other, so sex does not happen!

When do they come together? They so not know, they each prepare for the wedding day, for the wedding feast, remaining faithful to God and each other. Only when the father says, 'go get your bride' can the son go get his bride, then the marriage and wedding feast begins and with the Jews it lasted weeks.

We should not find it hard to remember this Sue, our Lord used this same example for his church, we are promised to him, but he has gone away to prepare a place for us, he will return for his bride, but cannot until the Father says, 'go get your bride'

Isn't God amazing?

Sex outside marriage is a no, no

Thinking about it is also SIN.

So many pastors preach about the miracle and Mary saying 'do what ever he tells you' they miss the most important part, the example of the wedding feast of the Lamb, and Jesus example of his church, his promised bride.

So Mary was right sister, 'do what ever he tells you', but also understand the story, the wedding, the example, the groom, the bride, the period of waiting, the reward, the wedding feast of the Lamb.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother-Paul -- I was saying 'generally speaking' about relationships and the sexual expectations.

And, yes, sex outside of marriage is wrong. It's fornication. It's Looking upon a woman with a lustful attitude that is sin. It's taking that 2nd glance. I remember from years ago that a lady -- a young married woman -- should have known better. They lived along the highway. A well-travelled highway -- she'd be out on their rider lawnmower wearing a bikini top and shorts. In the front of their lawn. Don't know if anyone at church ever approached her about it. Guess it was her way of getting a suntan and getting something done at the same time.

Thinking about sex is sin? Couples Need to be setting boundaries to protect their relationship From going too far. Maybe people Need to talk more About sex -- with their children -- teenagers.

Who Doesn't think about sex once in a while -- God created us As sexual/ relational people. Other-wise we'd have no desire For the opposite sex to possibly have family With.

So -- it would be What we're thinking About sex that makes the difference. When a couple is thinking about marriage -- lots of areas To discuss to see if you agree or not -- finances being one -- sexual expectations -- Biblically to refrain From Until marriage.

Born -again believers are Not immune to sexual temptation. Which is why it's better to plan the activities for dating. Not just let whatever happen / happen. In the adult world of dating -- have a plan -- be around other people. Get to know the other person at potluck dinners. And when out together to get to know the other person on a one-on-one basis -- body language speaks volumes, too. The people Should be protective of the other person -- their feelings, emotions , etc. Don't allow for a compromising situation. That Should be something Appreciated.

 

[PloughBoy]

I have not seen one time from the front to to the back "Genesis to Revelation" and have scan every word in the KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASB, RSV, and not one time have i hear GOD tells someone to "MAKE LOVE" but I have heard GOD say to people "MAKE BABIES" And HE DID NOT CARE, if they liked one another or Not! And you going to marry her, because i told you to marry her!

Only christianity talked about "Love then marriage" God say married Now and have sex, Then, Women, you have to learn how to love and respect one another
"Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife. PERFORM YOUR DUTY as her brother-in-law and raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not belong to him; so whenever he would sleep with his brother’s wife, he would spill his seed on the ground so that he would not produce offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the sight of the LORD, so He put Onan to death as well.

So then maybe i should suggest;

 

[Sue D.]

Generally speaking -- people usually Like to 'make love'. It's the who, when , where that can get people in trouble.

In the Old Testament we find David being attracted to Bathsheba -- he Should have been out to battle with his men -- but he chose to stay home and saw Bathsheba on the roof of her house bathing. He asked someone to go get her to be with him. So she went to him , ended up pregnant -- and after all David did that was sinful -- which was everything. God had the prophet Nathan go talk to him -- David repented. Their first born son died and then they proceeded to have Solomon.

The first time this came up in a Bible study -- the idea being made is that God can use us no matter What we've done that's wrong. We repent -- David was a man after God's own heart.

And then we find that giving in to lust can cause problems we'd never dream of.

Didn't bother listening to the video.

How about 1 Corinthians 13: 4- end of chapter.

And we Are to Show love -- being married in physicalness with our mate. God created us with hormones -- no need to Tell us to have sex -- we have a built- in desire For it. It's called Good chemistry.

Your comment that God doesn't care about our feelings -- that He doesn't care if they like each other -- just mate and have a kid together. Wow -- emotions are Also given to us by God.

May I assume that you married your wife because you Wanted to marry her?! God didn't just put the two of you in the same 4 walls and say "Go for it". That's the impression you give, though.

 

[PloughBoy]

Generally speaking -- people usually Like to 'make love'. It's the who, when , where that can get people in trouble.

In the Old Testament we find David being attracted to Bathsheba -- he Should have been out to battle with his men -- but he chose to stay home and saw Bathsheba on the roof of her house bathing. He asked someone to go get her to be with him. So she went to him , ended up pregnant -- and after all David did that was sinful -- which was everything. God had the prophet Nathan go talk to him -- David repented. Their first born son died and then they proceeded to have Solomon.

The first time this came up in a Bible study -- the idea being made is that God can use us no matter What we've done that's wrong. We repent -- David was a man after God's own heart.

And then we find that giving in to lust can cause problems we'd never dream of.

Didn't bother listening to the video.

How about 1 Corinthians 13: 4- end of chapter.

And we Are to Show love -- being married in physicalness with our mate. God created us with hormones -- no need to Tell us to have sex -- we have a built- in desire For it. It's called Good chemistry.

Your comment that God doesn't care about our feelings -- that He doesn't care if they like each other -- just mate and have a kid together. Wow -- emotions are Also given to us by God.

May I assume that you married your wife because you Wanted to marry her?! God didn't just put the two of you in the same 4 walls and say "Go for it". That's the impression you give, though.

you are talking about lust, Many people are in lust that is why they get married and when they fall out of lust, the marriage falls apart, and they look for new lust partners. GOD Love is doing what is right. That is real GODLY love , And lust is how you feel. Sometimes those who are in Lust and after they have been marriage for awhile they learn to love unconditionally, doing that what is right in the eyes of the LORD. Forgiving one another and obeying the commandments of GOD! And the world hates the Truth of GOD, and Have established their own righteousness.

Yes i married my wife because i like sex, not because i was in love with her, She was second choice, I would have married you and been good to you too!

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- how did you know you liked sex if you wanted until you were married to have 'it'.

No thank you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Brother-Paul -- I was saying 'generally speaking' about relationships and the sexual expectations.

Talking of sinful acts in general terms gives a person reason to think things are alright to do. Sin is sin, we have a duty to explain such according to God's Word.

And, yes, sex outside of marriage is wrong. It's fornication. It's Looking upon a woman with a lustful attitude that is sin. It's taking that 2nd glance. I remember from years ago that a lady -- a young married woman -- should have known better. They lived along the highway. A well-travelled highway -- she'd be out on their rider lawnmower wearing a bikini top and shorts. In the front of their lawn. Don't know if anyone at church ever approached her about it. Guess it was her way of getting a suntan and getting something done at the same time.

People should dress appropriately, cover their bodies, many will no doubt say, what is wrong with bikini's, tight clothing showing all the shapes, most will be worldly people and do what the world does in the time slot they live in, but look at the changes, swimwear got smaller, bikinis came in in the 1960's, the free sex age had begun, the pill was introduced, even th songs were sexual, as one for the bikini... 'She wore an itsy bitsy, tiny sweeny, yellow dot spot bikini' itsy bitsy tells it all and no doubt showed almost it all.

It is the age we live in, it is what our generation does says the celebrities and the world. But that is not what God says we should do. SIN is everywhere, often not recognised because of what is taken for granted in these days.

Thinking about sex is sin? Couples Need to be setting boundaries to protect their relationship From going too far. Maybe people Need to talk more About sex -- with their children -- teenagers.

Who Doesn't think about sex once in a while -- God created us As sexual/ relational people. Other-wise we'd have no desire For the opposite sex to possibly have family With.

So -- it would be What we're thinking About sex that makes the difference. When a couple is thinking about marriage -- lots of areas To discuss to see if you agree or not -- finances being one -- sexual expectations -- Biblically to refrain From Until marriage.

Sex is not a sin, thinking of sex is not a sin, providing you are married to the person you are doing it with and thing about it with.

ANY OTHER form of sex or thoughts of a sexual nature are SIN.

I read an article on a church survey, it confirmed women admit to deliberately showing off their cleavage in places of worship. The immediate reaction is why? As we know women dress to feel attractive, what they are really saying is, they dress to attract the eye of men. It is flaunting of the body, it is SIN. It leads to flirting which leads to SIN depending on the type of flirting, it can and does lead to more as we know, it is dangerous, especially if married to another, especially to SIN.

Born -again believers are Not immune to sexual temptation. Which is why it's better to plan the activities for dating. Not just let whatever happen / happen. In the adult world of dating -- have a plan -- be around other people. Get to know the other person at potluck dinners. And when out together to get to know the other person on a one-on-one basis -- body language speaks volumes, too. The people Should be protective of the other person -- their feelings, emotions , etc. Don't allow for a compromising situation. That Should be something Appreciated.

The devil will attack who he chooses and when he chooses, born again or not, he knows our weak points, we must be protected through the blood of Christ, put on the whole armour of God, and we constantly prepared for his firey darts, he prowls like a hungry lion just waiting to pounce and devour who ever he can.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- how did you know you liked sex if you wanted until you were married to have 'it'.

No thank you.

1 st. I was not "Born from Above" and filled with the "HOLY GHOST" until 1977. I got married in "1972" a graduated from High School in 1969 at the age of 17, I had girl friends I was football star, never had sex. My father, took me to work at his employment, He had me forge my birth certificate. 1st job I ever had outside of the Family business. I worked at a "SteeL Corporation" He was the only Black "Journeyman" a License "Millwright".among many of other white skilled workers. I worked with him 12 hours a day 7 days week, I never work like that in my short life. I didn't not have time to spend the money I made. LOL. Pay day, cash my check at the bank and there my money remained. Did not pay rent, and had no bills, when i got home i went to bed, when i got up i went to work! Dark when i went to work in the evening and it was dark in the morning when I came home.

Finally one weekend, a off weekend, me and my old high school friends went to "Canada" horse back riding. And I saw some people riding "High Spirited" Horses! powerful and Pretty, And I ask how do you get one of those, they told me they own those horses. I said how much do they cost! they told me how much. Heck that ain't problem for me, I had a lot of money in the BANK! With in A week I bought one! And that is how I met, "David Ruffin" of "Temptations" he had 2 horses.

I spend a lot of time in "CANADA" there seem to be "NO Prejudice" in Canada! they hated the Prejudices that was going on in the "UNITED STATES" how they treaded Black people. I got to be a "Trail Guide", It paid for the "Room and Board" for my Horses. The owners had a real big house and they like me, A FINISH basement kitchen bath and all, Any time i wanted to stay free of charge. I had three horses, a "STANDARD Breed", name Deputy", A QUARTER Horse, name "NONAME", and GAMING PONY, name "BRANDY" and he was one a man horse if anyone else tried to ride him he would kill you! Really...I had a 1969 "Road RUNNER" Muscle CAR, And A MOTOrCYCLE, And the HORSE riding was the start of my wild and exciting life among the women, French Mix Black Speckle faced girls , Scandinavian Platinum Blonds, Red heads, Got my attention. And i was smooth, Go to horse "Auctions", I know all about horses, I learn how to give "medical shots" and medical attention to horses.
And I learn how to ride "Bareback" just as good as i could ride "western saddle".And sometimes I would take so much time off from work, The company did not even "scold" me. I was the youngest person there at work ! And it seems everyone in the whole Corporation knew my "escapades" form the owners and their families and the German CEO's! They would talk to me about Horses, Car racing, Motorcycles, And "Full Contact" Okinawa Style Karate. and many of the workers had saw me in Action and came back with good reports! How Powerful and Terrifying my horses was, AND how "BAD" i was in "KARATE" and how i wipe out fives guys one day at "school" and that I had A :WICKED" back kick! It seems they took pride in it, for i was one of them! The Corporation, The Secretaries, especially the MEDICAL DEPARTMENT. Motorcycle, Accidents, Horse Riding, Karate, injuries. I hunted in "State Forest" gotten lost, Stuck in "QUICK SAND" High power Rife areas. Big search parties getting ready to look for me, Mountain Skiing, back pack style. in Mountains Rockies!


And the Superintendent used to brag how power that Motorcycle I had, and that one day when i had to take it to the ground, He came to me, and had to dig gravel out of my arm with his pocket knife.

It all came to an end, When a Car hit me HEAD ON, on my Motorcycle, Ran straight into me, came over in my lane I had just now came from CANADA from riding my horse. I knew I was dying laying in the middle of the street looking up at a old white man who had just hit me. And he didn't know what to do. And someone who knew me , as a "Trail Guide" in CANADA came over to me and Put my head in his lap, and ask me had i just come from canada riding Trail. If you ask me today I do not know who that person was. But GOD came to my AID, I felt the ANGELS of GOD COME to my aid and covered me with a "Blanket Sent Straight from GOD" I felt that every bone was broken in my Body most all of my clothes torn off me. I could see the Muscles in my thigh my flesh had rolled away. 7 or 4 operations i had, 27-29 days in the hospital. The Radiologist told my mother "GOD is trying to talk to that Boy" I had not one broken bone in my body. Internal injuries, flesh torn and rolled away. I told my Mother the day i woke up tubes every where/ And MAMA "I am listening" after the She Told me what the Radiologists said what God was tying to do.

My Girlfriend then, who i was not going to bed with. Who was a virgin, Her and her friend came to the hospital every day. She did not know i was going to ask her to marry me after this event. I am getting ready to fly right! "WORKS of REPENTANCE" I am turning around!...... But I, over heard her and her friend talking about when they get their husbands how they where going to treat him and what they was going to do. ...... She was so beautiful her smile and how she laugh, the must beautiful pair of legs and hips, that one could see, She didn't know, and i knew, if i ask her , she was going to say yes! 6 months later, a married another woman who i had only known for 2 months. Because my mother heard i was sleeping with this girl, And she rebuked me, and Told me, and called me by my name "If she is "Good Enough" to SLEEP with, She Is GOOD ENOUGH to MARRY". I married her. by the the words of my mother. and i knew she couldn't have children, "We Thought". For I had started a life of "repentance. beginning in 1972,

It was hard then riding my motorcycle home in 1977, leaving another big leg attractive woman's house and I start crying, what is wrong with me GOD, I got a wife at home. And we go at it until the sun come up every day. Since the day we been married. As The tears was falling from my eyes, I got the 1st taste of the "Holy SPIRIT" and i knew it was a GOD, I came home and told my wife, GOD is talking to me and i don't understand what he is saying, Maybe i should GO to Church. I went to church that following SUNDAY by myself and sat down in the 1st roll, of my mothers church. And when that Paster PREACHED......"GOD IS COMING TO SOMEBODY THIS WEEK"......does anyone has anything to say! I stood up, with tears in my eyes and I apologize of how i was acting,, I turn and look at my mother crying and saying to her how sorry i was, But GOD is talking to me and I don't know what HE is saying, And it seem He has gone away. And that Old MAN Pastor said, with tears in his eyes, He is coming back! And i went to a bible book store and found A BOOK TITLE "GOD is "WAITING to MEET YOU" that title spoke in a "POWERFUL VOICE",

AND at the end of the week at my "EMPLOYMENT" The POWER of THE HOLY GHOST filled my SOUL! For everyone knew at work, what kind of person i was and watch me grown up into a man, The age of 17 now age 26, they knew my name and MY "ESCAPADES" EVERY CORNER OF THAT PLACE, I START talking JESUS! MANY THOUGHT I had lost my mine that day!..... But it was in GOD's plan, ..... The Owners and Superintendents, told my father to leave me alone, when others workers looked my daddy and told him i had went crazy and lost my mine running "screaming Jesus" And he found me and tried to make me get my self together. But the "Corporation" told him to leave me alone, and said That BOY is RIGHT leave him alone and let him speak!

So was it love, "yes" why is it love? I done "What was Right" to her, her mother, her sisters, her brother, My mother, my father, my brother and those who stood by, and "honoring the" Words of GOD" "Repent for The Kingdom of GOD " is at hand.

New King James Version (1 Corinthians 10)
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
(Colossians 3)BSB
And whatever you do, IN WORD OR DEED do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. ...Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.… ..........

..[And learn how to "forgive" but you can forgive everybody else but you cannot "SEEM" to have the ability to forgive your "ADULTEROUS" husband! where it counts! "The Church" have become a Host of "HYPOCRITES" "CHERRY PICKING" OF THOSE WHO WE Decide is "Deserving of Our Forgiveness"! " I will forgive you But i will not forget"

But let this be known!

'GOD IS NOT MOCK" "WHATS SO EVER A PERSON SOWS THE SAME SHALL THAT PERSON REAP"

"Long winded I am"

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- thank you for sharing.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@PloughBoy

Great read brother

From the sundance kid to the Son dancing kid (Hopefully not like David!)

 

[Brother-Paul]

@PloughBoy -- how did you know you liked sex if you wanted until you were married to have 'it'.

No thank you.

That is the funniest thing I have heard Sue

Instinct sister!

Adam and Eve laid down together, they talked about first thing that came up, shall we try it see if we like it.

 

[B-A-C]

@PloughBoy -- how did you know you liked sex if you wanted until you were married to have 'it'.

Still, it's what the Bible says we are supposed to do. Anything else is sin.
Are you marrying someone just because they good in bed?
If they're a good Christian, good father, good husband, have a good job, are faithful and loyal, and a Godly man... how good they are in the sack doesn't matter too much... unless you're very selfish.

 

[B-A-C]

@PloughBoy -- how did you know you liked sex if you wanted until you were married to have 'it'.

Somehow sex has become the center of the universe. Every movie, every television show, every commercial, every song, every teenage discussion, every.. thing... is about sex. Sex, sex, sex...
Now don't get me wrong, I like sex as much as the next person. But sex isn't the greatest thing in the world. Too many people have bought of on that lie.
I enjoy fishing, four-wheeling, hiking, camping, hugs from my grand-children... and other things just as much or maybe even more.
In fact (how personal can you get here) I have cancelled intimate plans to do other things because they were more important at the time.

If I'm expecting company... especially relatives, grandkids... or men from church... it can wait.
If I want to spend time with Jesus, who is more important than any of these people.... it can definitely wait.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Somehow sex has become the center of the universe. Every movie, every television show, every commercial, every song, every teenage discussion, every.. thing... is about sex. Sex, sex, sex...

So true brother, as they say in the media industry, sex sells, it makes them money. We know the God in their lives.

The devil is at the centre of it all.

Sex, lust, flirting, coveting, adultery, before and after being married for many.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Generally speaking -- people usually Like to 'make love'. It's the who, when , where that can get people in trouble.

In the Old Testament we find David being attracted to Bathsheba -- he Should have been out to battle with his men -- but he chose to stay home and saw Bathsheba on the roof of her house bathing. He asked someone to go get her to be with him. So she went to him , ended up pregnant -- and after all David did that was sinful -- which was everything. God had the prophet Nathan go talk to him -- David repented. Their first born son died and then they proceeded to have Solomon.

The first time this came up in a Bible study -- the idea being made is that God can use us no matter What we've done that's wrong. We repent -- David was a man after God's own heart.

And then we find that giving in to lust can cause problems we'd never dream of.

Didn't bother listening to the video.

How about 1 Corinthians 13: 4- end of chapter.

And we Are to Show love -- being married in physicalness with our mate. God created us with hormones -- no need to Tell us to have sex -- we have a built- in desire For it. It's called Good chemistry.

Your comment that God doesn't care about our feelings -- that He doesn't care if they like each other -- just mate and have a kid together. Wow -- emotions are Also given to us by God.

May I assume that you married your wife because you Wanted to marry her?! God didn't just put the two of you in the same 4 walls and say "Go for it". That's the impression you give, though.

Dear Sue

I am going to reply to this post in two separate posts, the first is to discuss 'What is LOVE'

You talk above of 'making love' certainly a wrongly worded term, you also mention 'showing love' physically. Here we have a typical worldly view using the English language of love, sexual love.

I stated in a post in another thread that I believe there are about 7 different means for the word LOVE in the Bible, not one as with the language in the western world, English speaking world.


There are '5' Hebrew and Greek words for LOVE


1. Ahab: Hebrew word for love. Describes a variety of intensely close emotional bonds.
- So Abraham loved his son Isaac (Gen 22:2),
- Isaac loved his son Esau (Gen 25:28), and
- “Israel loved Joseph more than all his children” (Gen 37:3).

In a more romantic manner,
- Isaac loved his wife Rebekah (Gen 24:67), and
- Jacob loved Rachel (Gen 29:18), but
- Delilah manipulated Samson by challenging his love for her (Judges 14:16).

We are all called to love the Lord, by expressing obedience to His commandments (Deut 6:5), and
- to “love thy neighbour as thyself” (Lev 19:18).
Moreover, “he that getteth wisdom loveth his own soul” (Prov 19:8).


2. Agapao: God’s love is described as the Greek word agapao, which means
- unconditional love,
- preferential love that is chosen and acted out by the will.

It is not love based on the goodness of the beloved, or upon natural affinity or emotion.
Rather this is benevolent love that always seeks the good of the beloved.

This type of love is exclusive to the Christian community because it flows directly from God’s love:
“Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love” (1 John 4:7-8).


3. Agape: Although common in both the Septuagint and the New Testament, the word rarely occurs in existing secular Greek manuscripts of the period.
Like its synonym philia, it designates
- love between persons (John 13:35), or
- people for God (1 John 2:15),
- of God for humanity ( Rom 5:8), and
- of God for Christ (John 17:26 ).

Whereas phila emphasizes the idea of love arising from personal relationships,
agape is founded upon deep appreciation and high regard.
It is perhaps for this reason that agape is the love which God commands.


4. Phileo: One of four greek words for love, this one signifies
- friendship,
- fondness,
- affection,
- delight, and
- personal attachment. (not sexual)

This word is on of feeling – a heart of love – whereas agape is a matter of benevolence, duty, and commitment.

We are commanded to have agape love (Matt 5:44 ) but not phileo love because feelings cannot be commanded.

Phileo is also the word for “kiss.”

Jesus asked Peter if he had unconditional, sacrificial agape love, but Peter responded that he had phileo, or brotherly love.

Peter’s love deepened, and he wrote of agape love in his later books.


5. Philadelphia: With the roots words phileo, “to love,” and adelphos “brother,” this word signifies loving someone like a brother or sister.

We might think of it as fraternal affection.

This is not the love God has for us, but rather love between brothers and sisters in Christ.

It implies that a familiar bond between people who would not otherwise share affection is possible through Christ.

WHAT IS LOVE? --- WHICH LOVE?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Generally speaking -- people usually Like to 'make love'. It's the who, when , where that can get people in trouble.

In the Old Testament we find David being attracted to Bathsheba -- he Should have been out to battle with his men -- but he chose to stay home and saw Bathsheba on the roof of her house bathing. He asked someone to go get her to be with him. So she went to him , ended up pregnant -- and after all David did that was sinful -- which was everything. God had the prophet Nathan go talk to him -- David repented. Their first born son died and then they proceeded to have Solomon.

The first time this came up in a Bible study -- the idea being made is that God can use us no matter What we've done that's wrong. We repent -- David was a man after God's own heart.

And then we find that giving in to lust can cause problems we'd never dream of.

Didn't bother listening to the video.

How about 1 Corinthians 13: 4- end of chapter.

And we Are to Show love -- being married in physicalness with our mate. God created us with hormones -- no need to Tell us to have sex -- we have a built- in desire For it. It's called Good chemistry.

Your comment that God doesn't care about our feelings -- that He doesn't care if they like each other -- just mate and have a kid together. Wow -- emotions are Also given to us by God.

May I assume that you married your wife because you Wanted to marry her?! God didn't just put the two of you in the same 4 walls and say "Go for it". That's the impression you give, though.

Dear Sue

You refer to sexual intercourse in a general term, generally people like to make love! Do they know it is SIN?

You also refer to showing physical love to the other sex.

You have previously stated, how can you know you like love if you wait until you are married.

All this is worldly talk.

Did you have sex before marriage? If you did you both committed SIN. Yes, sister I did and I committed sin also.

Now you refer to being a born again Christian for a very long time, so did you have sex with a man when you were born again? If you did you SINNED

As for me, I had sex before marriage, after marriage, etc, but I was not born again. I SINNED but didn't know it was sin, I wasn't interested in all the God stuff. When I was born again some years later 'all my past sins were wiped away and remembered no more.

SEX outside marriage, in act or thought is SIN, there is no two mays to look at it. Sex outside marriage is SIN, and when we come to God through Jesus we accept, 'believe and understand' that.

It is no use us looking at the OT, the NT is clear, Jesus himself also gave us an example at the wedding feast at Canaan in Galilee. He used the model of the wedding and feast to explain to us,
- He is the Head of His Church, the Groom
- The born again from above are His Church, His bride to be
- We are promised to Him, He promises to return for his 'Virgin' Bride
- The covenant is prepared, we are to remain pure and true to Him, meanwhile He has gone back to the Father to prepare a place for the bride and groom
- The two are to remain apart, remain pure, remain true and faithful until He returns for her
- But He cannot return until the Father says 'Go get your bride'

Jesus gave the example of the agreement, the time of separation and when he can return based on the wedding procedure by the Jews in Canaan in Galilee

NO SEX before marriage, we are to be virgins Sue, sex is God given for a husband and wife in marriage, for their enjoyment together and for multiplying.

That is it in a nut shell.


Paul stated the following regarding sexual purity of the born again person...

1 Cor 6:19-20
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.


Shalom

 

[Dave M]

Do a bible study on sex outside of marriage it seems to be right up there with murder. Anyone who thinks sex outside of marriage is ok has not been reading there bible enough. Anyone who thinks they have to test the "goods" before making a commitment has not been reading there bible enough. Sex outside of marriage will surely send you to hell, even if you think you love the person and have the best intentions the word of GOd says people who such things will not enter heaven/

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

sexual immorality to me,,,,, says not only sex outside of marriage but any and all sexual preverted things people like to claim as not officially sex.

 

[Sue D.]

If those things are done as a life-style , I'd agree.

A promiscuous person has a big problem. And will likely end up with STD's also.

 

[B-A-C]

If those things are done as a life-style , I'd agree.

A promiscuous person has a big problem. And will likely end up with STD's also.

Doesn't have to be a lifestyle. Even if it's only done once, it's a sin.
The difference is... you can be forgiven if you repent. If it's still a lifestyle, you haven't repented.

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- so you're saying that if a person has sex outside of marriage even Once, that they are sinning and , therefore, doomed to hell?