If you are sleeping with your Boyfriend it is a good chance That 99.99 %, you are Definitely going to HELL, and you can ask JESUS, HE will not lie.

[B-A-C]

@B-A-C -- so you're saying that if a person has sex outside of marriage even Once, that they are sinning and , therefore, doomed to hell?

Unless they repent.

 

[Sue D.]

Isn't that mind-set Almost like 'trying our very best to keep the 10 commandments, but failing at even One makes us guilty of All of them' which shows us that we Need the cross of Calvary -- because if we Could keep all the 10 all the time, then there would be no need For the cross. We Could work our way to heaven.

So it Also sounds like you don't believe in the security Of the believer -- that One slip up and we're doomed. The need to keep on repenting or else?! Repentance , yes. But it shouldn't be because we're afraid we'll loose our salvation other-wise.
We Do want to be in good , close fellowship with God our Father.

But we should Also be taking a close look at our own attitudes -- why we do what we do. Is our life pleasing to God?

No one lives their life in a vacume -- our actions Will affect those around us. If I choose To - in this case -- have sex with the guy I'm dating -- it Is wrong, yes, but it might be the Why involved. Do I feel under pressure To keep that relationship? Or do we have really strong feelings towards each other and want to 'be together'. Do we pray about that together? Our actions To affect the other person.

IF we are married and have an affair -- grounds for divorce, unLess...... we can talk about the roote of the problem. Working through conflict and developing a stronger marriage in the process.

If a person simply likes to 'sleep around' --having sex as part of the relationship with no second thoughts -- they are affecting the other person's sense of personal value as well as their own. Their reputation 'around town'. And there is obviously a problem with them. And 'life' Does catch-up with us.

And, Maybe, 'we've' grown up in an atmosphere of a parent having partners off and on and we continue that pattern. A generational 'thing'.

Not condoning -- but trying to 'work with the situation'. The Why's Of.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@B-A-C -- so you're saying that if a person has sex outside of marriage even Once, that they are sinning and , therefore, doomed to hell?

I agree with @B-A-C Sue, sex outside marriage in thought or act, even once is SIN.

One thing is for sure, if you done it once, you are sure to do it again and again.

It is.... Sin, Sin, Sin sister

You can repent each time, but then it gets more complicated, it becomes repetitive Sin.

 

[B-A-C]

You can repent each time, but then it gets more complicated, it becomes repetitive Sin.

In which case... have you really repented?
This is the biggest problem with OSAS. I believe in Jesus, therefore I can keep sinning all I want.

 

[Dave M]

one must re

If I choose to - in this case -- have sex with the guy I'm dating -- it Is wrong, yes, but it might be the Why involved.

Now try this,, in place of "sex" in your sentence put kill sin is sin, you are actually trying to justify it Sue, is the way it sounds..

If I choose to - in this case -- kill the guy I'm dating -- it Is wrong, yes, but it might be the Why involved.

 

[Sue D.]

I agree with @B-A-C Sue, sex outside marriage in thought or act, even once is SIN.

One thing is for sure, if you done it once, you are sure to do it again and again.

It is.... Sin, Sin, Sin sister

You can repent each time, but then it gets more complicated, it becomes repetitive Sin.

Having sex outside of marriage is sin, yes, having sex with anyone other than your marriage partner is sin, yes.

Totally agree.

That which I Don't agree with is 'if you done it once, you are sure to do it again and again". Not especially, No. Depends on why it happened in the 1st place.

Relationships can get 'complicated' -- 'we' are complicated people. that's why people need to take time to Talk to / with each other.

Actually, I'm speaking somewhat from Experience. I messed up once while married. It was a dumb thing to do. But, no, didn't do it over and over again. Some of us Learn from our mistakes. On the Other hand, my husband didn't think that oral sex was really sex. So he got involved with a waitress after work. His thought was saving the Real thing for me was okay. Well -- I didn't Get the 'real thing' hardly at all. He's also been deceased for several years now.

It's Not a good idea -- a poor choice -- to be so dogmatic about 'sinning'. Yes, we All sin in one way or another. Some people have a Bad Temper -- and Some like to Speed. Are Those sins? Yes. A bad temper is going to get a person in a lot of trouble if it isn't taken care of. So is speeding. How fast a person is going when they Are speeding. Causing a wreck that could cost a life.

The activities listed in that verse -- as a life-style is showing a sinful heart that needs Jesus Christ. So -- a person can look at that list and say, hmmm, just Maybe I need to change my ways. That's the Holy Spirit starting to try to get your attention.

 

[Sue D.]

one must re


Now try this,, in place of "sex" in your sentence put kill sin is sin, you are actually trying to justify it Sue, is the way it sounds..

If I choose to - in this case -- kill the guy I'm dating -- it Is wrong, yes, but it might be the Why involved.

That's sounding like -- guilty of One, then guilty of All. Sounds like trying to follow All the Ten Commandments All the time. It's not possible. That's why we needed the cross. If a person Could obey all the commandments all the time, that would be getting to heaven by our good works. We do have Ephesians 2: 8 - 9 part of that says "not of works lest any man should boast" -- if a person Could obey all of it all the time -- the 'sin' would be pride -- 'look how good I've been'. Or a person Could have the attitude of 'by the grace of God I Can be perfect' -- there Are people who Do seem to be living a pretty good, decent life. But, God Also sees what they are Thinking that no one else sees. The person could also have a moment of frustration with the neighbor's dog barking, at the driver who cuts him off -- at 'whatever'. He's not Really perfect. No one living on this earth ever will be -- until we are with Jesus Christ.

If the guy I'm dating decides to try to hurt me in some way -- it would be self-defense. And I probably wouldn't end up killing him.

Choose our friends wisely.

And, yes, I understand What you're saying.

 

[Reba1]

Some sins just happen like getting angry at the guy who cut you off in traffic.. some sins take planning like setting up a liaison in a no tell motel . God set up different punishment for different crimes ( sins) in the OT . The persons engaging in sex out side of marriage can be forgiven . Go and sin no more ...

 

[B-A-C]

The persons engaging in sex out side of marriage can be forgiven . Go and sin no more

Ahh.. but that's the point here. Sin no more. Be absolutely sinless? Maybe not. Quit having sex outside of marriage? Absolutely.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

Luke 13:3; “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5; “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

 

[Sue D.]

Because we are still human -- we Will sin in some form or another. But our intention Should be to live a righteous life.

 

[Dave M]

. Sounds like trying to follow All the Ten Commandments All the time

well yes we should be, dont you agree???

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M -- no one's salvation is based on keeping all the 10 commandments all the time. We Should be finding God's will for our individual lives and doing That. 1st of all loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and Then loving our neighbor as ourselves.

Are You trying to follow all those 10 commandments all the time? Do You keep track of what you've done every day?

Isn't that sort of a works-based salvation?

Doesn't the Holy Spirit let you know when you've messed up? And you respond back as needed?

And do we Always find ourselves loving the Lord our God with all our being -- heart, soul and mind? Or do we find that That needs working on , too?!

 

[Dave M]

Isn't that sort of a works-based salvation?

sorry sue but if you are born again trying to keep the commandments is natural instinct from the holly spirit in us, if your not trying to keep them Jesus can free you from the bondage of sin. You sound like one of those people who say we are saved by grace and can live any way we want,, it does not work that way, we are born again our old nature of sin no longer holds us captive, we now have the power of the Jesus in us to resist sin,,,,,,,,you run around accusing anyone who want to live Holly like the bible calls us to as works base salvation, yet I have seen no one on this forum claiming to work based salvation, we are saved by grace and that produces works in us, we should be living very diffrent from when we were in the world, ,, if someone claims to be born again and is thinnking about have sex outside of marriage the Holly spirit will convict that person with burden of the world on there shoulders. That person would not be justifying there sin IMO if they did sin they would come clean and repent and move on.....

 

[Dave M]

and if you are so secure in your salvation that you think you can sin, please explain why Paul tells us to work out our salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING .

Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M -- PloughBoy started this thread on his own assumptions and conclusions. He 'landed' on sexual impurity --- there are Many other sins listed in the passage that had been brought up.

I agree with what you're saying -- a born again believer Will have those commandments put in his heart by the Holy Spirit. They won't be a bondage -- it will be automatic.

I'm Not saying that a person can be saved and live any way they want to. The Holy Spirit will indwell the person and change their desires. They will Want to live a Christ-like life.

I Am secure in my salvation -- and I Still have a propensity For sinning.

I think that what that verse is saying -- IF a person finds themselves caught up in a particular sin situation, work it out with God. Make sure 'you' Are saved.

 

[Dave M]

@Dave M -- PloughBoy started this thread on his own assumptions and conclusions. He 'landed' on sexual impurity --- there are Many other sins listed in the passage that had been brought up.

I agree with what you're saying -- a born again believer Will have those commandments put in his heart by the Holy Spirit. They won't be a bondage -- it will be automatic.

I'm Not saying that a person can be saved and live any way they want to. The Holy Spirit will indwell the person and change their desires. They will Want to live a Christ-like life.

I Am secure in my salvation -- and I Still have a propensity For sinning.

I think that what that verse is saying -- IF a person finds themselves caught up in a particular sin situation, work it out with God. Make sure 'you' Are saved.

yes the word does say we will sin no more, but if we do sin we have a advocate in Christ Jesus to intercede for us.

 

[Brad Huber]

Dave... are you saying that you have not sinned since you first turned your lifes path toward Christ?

 

[Dave M]

Dave... are you saying that you have not sinned since you first turned your lifes path toward Christ?

please show me wear I indicated that as it is not my intention,

 

[Brad Huber]

please show me wear I indicated that as it is not my intention,

I am glad its not your intention. Its just that you have a strong viewpoint about not sinning anymore, and that its our duty to obey. It is our duty out of love to obey our Lord. Yet when we turn our life over to Christ, if we have the Holy Spirit in us, it goads us into changing into the likeness of Christ. But we dont change overnight. We are all on different points in our purification through the work of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes people dont change as fast as other christians want them to, but they change as fast as the Holy Spirit prompts them to. They Holy Spirit wants us to be encouraged by tackling a problem we can handle and overcoming and then on to the next most important thing. Its a process that takes more time with some than others as well. As long as peoples hearts are not hardened, the Holy Spirit will work in us to purify us, at the pace thats best (so that we not be overwhelmed).

I just asked to make sure, I didnt want you to be the guy in the parable... Luke 18:9-14, because I like you, and want your heart filled with forgiveness towards those weaker in the faith.








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[Dave M]

I didnt want you to be the guy in the parable... Luke 18:9-14

Amen brother great post and spirit filled for sure,,,,,,,,,, I here you on Luke 18-9-14 !! I often see post on here and that exact parables goes off in my head....